Partner(s) for Paysites Needed - No $ Wanted - Giving upto 20% Away

[notjoe]

Here is the deal,

Basically, the sites have all your typical paysite shit like pictures, stories, games, news and feature amazing high quality video streams + exclusive video feeds aswell.

The security of the members are is probably the best you've ever seen on the net. First off, all content is kept behind the actual web server path. Everything is script driven, you could run the site without htaccess (if you wanted to) and not have to worry.

I am only offering 20% of the paysite sales.

The affiliate program powers almost all the sites I run such as http://www.dvdera.com , the multiple paysites, http://www.hostedcontent.com . Affiliate program is located at http://www.fasti.net . i suggest you go take a look at the site first.

The program tracks all cross-selling on any of the websites i've listed. As a webmaster, if you refer someone to http://www.smut-video.com you earn 50% and if they buy something off DVDEra.com you earn 20% of the sale plus the 50% of the membership on smut-video.com.

A $50 signup has also been implemented for hostedcontent.com referred signups.

Just to make it clean, you only get the 20% (Net) of the paysite numbers, nothing else. Everything is one giant affil program which you'll have access to the stats on the paysite aspect of it.

About my partners
Been in the biz for a very long time, lots of connections to the adult entertainment biz. They also product and distro their own dvds and have a store which retails to others. They're amazing people just not too internet savvy. My two partners are actually partners themself in the non-internet world.

About me
I do all the coding myself. I have had some dirty laundry aired in regards to my former employeer (python video) but you can go read the thread and judge for yourself whether i am someone you want to get involved with or not.

What I need from you
I will need whoever is accepted to completely redesign all paysites and the affiliate program. You will only need to redo all the designs of the site and i will be working closely with you to implement the changes into the code so that it runs. Everything needs to have that look which will cause this shit to make lots of money (i hate the "making bank" term).

The other thing you will have to do would be to actually get people to send traffic to our program, get webmasters to signup and promote our stuff because without that its worthless.

You will be pretty much responsible for everything other than the techie/payout side of things.

Our expenses are next to nothing and the only thing which would need to be paid for before you get your peice of the pie would be the bandwidth used.

Once this shit makes money we will have to hire a sysadmin because i would like my life back at one point or another.


You may ask why i am giving up the % to do this and here is the answer. I do not do graphics and i do not do promotional work, it isnt my "thing".


So, if you're interested or have any questions drop me a line on ICQ or post here.

Joe
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[mrthumbs]

Originally posted by notjoe

You will be pretty much responsible for everything other than the techie/payout side of things.

uhm.. for just 20%?

[notjoe]

Originally posted by mrthumbs



uhm.. for just 20%?

And what would be fair for graphics + Promotional + PR or am i missing a bunch of things? This isnt my fiend of interest (gaphics/promotional) so i dont everything that is involved.

I have a pretty good grasp, like, getting your links added to places + advertising, but if you have good relationships with people or have a lot of contacts then it can be all word of mouth for now.

I know there is a lot of work which will go into it but you have to remember the amount of work which has gone into it.

[goBigtime]

Muahaha.. my chance to get back at my biggest critic j/k, But I have a feeling you just started a flame-me thread here Joe...

I mean 20% for the person that is in charge of all the promotion, design & initial bandwidth? Sounds like all this person would need in addition to that would be elance.com ($10/hr coders all day long) or a nicely posted request for a 20% coder partner here.

Anyway I think it should be the other way around 20% to the coder 80% to the guy in charge of promo and design (usually someone GOOD at this wouldnt be really good at both, so the design would probably need to be contracted out to other companies)

Anyway thats my "I didn't read the complete post or visit the links as you suggested" comment (Joe knows what I'm reffering too).


But your marketing/idea guy is by far the most important - if you cant bring anything to the table in that field. I would think that spot is worth 50% to start. Most owners are usually the marketing/ideas guys and probably wind up taking up just about that.. 50% of the profits.

[funkmaster]

... 20% ain´t too bad.

[mrthumbs]

Originally posted by notjoe


And what would be fair for graphics + Promotional + PR or am i missing a bunch of things? This isnt my fiend of interest (gaphics/promotional) so i dont everything that is involved.

Well.. contacts, tech and (somehow) content is the easy part.

Design/conversion, getting Affiliates and TRAFFIC is not a detail:
these three things is basicly what it's ALL about..

Offering just 20% for the most essential part.. well.. you wont
get someone for that percentage that delivers..

[mrthumbs]

Originally posted by goBigtime

Anyway I think it should be the other way around 20% to the coder 80% to the guy in charge of promo and design (usually someone GOOD at this wouldnt be really good at both, so the design would probably need to be contracted out to other companies)

Exactly!

[mrthumbs]

except for the design part you are basicly offering a
20/80 partner program.. in a world where 50/50 or even 60/40
is the standard, you wont get much out of it..

[notjoe]

Originally posted by goBigtime
Muahaha.. my chance to get back at my biggest critic j/k, But I have a feeling you just started a flame-me thread here Joe...

I mean 20% for the person that is in charge of all the promotion, design & initial bandwidth? Sounds like all this person would need in addition to that would be elance.com ($10/hr coders all day long) or a nicely posted request for a 20% coder partner here.

Anyway I think it should be the other way around 20% to the coder 80% to the guy in charge of promo and design (usually someone GOOD at this wouldnt be really good at both, so the design would probably need to be contracted out to other companies)

Anyway thats my "I didn't read the complete post or visit the links as you suggested" comment (Joe knows what I'm reffering too).


But your marketing/idea guy is by far the most important - if you cant bring anything to the table in that field. I would think that spot is worth 50% to start. Most owners are usually the marketing/ideas guys and probably wind up taking up just about that.. 50% of the profits.

First off, my content speaks for itself and is probably the best in the biz at this stage, video content that is.

Second, I will cover the initial bandwidth but it only makes sense to pay out the partners (not the webmasters) once all your expenses are paid off.. if you did it the other way around i would hate to be in biz with you as you would be broke before you knew it.

You say 20% to me and 80% to the other person eh? Who provides the content? Who provides the server admining? who gets the pages at 3am that the server is down?

STFU little boy as you have no idea what you're talking about

[goBigtime]

Ok, I re-read everything now...

I'm not interested of course, but in the interest of someone who is.. I'm not quite sure what you are wanting to do here.

I understand what you want from the person & what you are willing to give, but:


1. What does the new startup consist of? A new sponsor program on a new domain plus new paysites on their own domains? (like a fresh program + paysites startup?)

2. Do you have your own content already? Are you paying for any of the leased content for members areas? Where is content coming from and whos paying for it?

3. Figuring the 20% partner is going to have the lions share of responsibility of creating and executing new advertising, marketing, pr ideas, will this person also be able to retain copies of the gold -- the harvested clients? (webmaster and presignup/signup emails) and have the ability to use it on their own in the event that something goes wrong between you two?

Hmm that's all I can think of for now.. but don't worry, I have lots to do today. This thread will be probably be done & over before I can post again

Oh yeah.. will you be needing any SEO work for this new project?

[notjoe]

Originally posted by mrthumbs
except for the design part you are basicly offering a
20/80 partner program.. in a world where 50/50 or even 60/40
is the standard, you wont get much out of it..

You're fucking NUTS.


I provide the servers, the affiliate program, the initial bandwidth/colo costs, the members area coding, all of the content, the high end video feeds + exclusive feeds for only 20%?

You're whacked if you think anyone in their right mind would go for that. Name ONE business where 'real partners' not 'partnership programs' where people take their share before expenses are paid?

That isnt a 'sound' business


BTW, that 80% doesnt go all to me as i have other people involved in it.

[mrthumbs]

btw GoBigtime: can you hook me up on icq 160272407

got a question for you.

[goBigtime]

Originally posted by notjoe




STFU little boy as you have no idea what you're talking about

You didn't make your initial offer very clear Joe. But man your quick to get aggravated with people on the boards. Do you remebmer how many times your critisized me personally (without knowing shit about me) in the thread the other day? Would you do this in person too? I'm thinking you don't.

I'm just trying to understand your offer better... it wasnt clear what you wanted to. NOW I'm starting to understand it more & the deal is making more sense....

You are providing all of the starting sites & content, but you wanted someone to be in charge of redesiging (and possibly creating new paysites) and promoting them for a 20% cut.

OR, you want someone to only create new paysites out of the DVD content you have? You should be more clear about what your offering.. I'm sure someone is interested, but its a little vague as-is.

[notjoe]

"1. What does the new startup consist of? A new sponsor program on a new domain plus new paysites on their own domains? (like a fresh program + paysites startup?)"

Nothing except their time. Everything is already done but i've said what is expected.

"2. Do you have your own content already? Are you paying for any of the leased content for members areas? Where is content coming from and whos paying for it?"

You're one dumb fuck, I'll let you figure this one out just like you tried to figure out my name..LOL.

"3. Figuring the 20% partner is going to have the lions share of responsibility of creating and executing new advertising, marketing, pr ideas, will this person also be able to retain copies of the gold -- the harvested clients? (webmaster and presignup/signup emails) and have the ability to use it on their own in the event that something goes wrong between you two?"

Things like this should be left to people with real interests in going further with this idea. Problem arise and while you might say "Bullshit!" you dont take into consideration they would be able to access data which doesnt belong to the paysites.

"Hmm that's all I can think of for now.. but don't worry, I have lots to do today. This thread will be probably be done & over before I can post again "

Because you're dumb and dont know what you're talking about!

"Oh yeah.. will you be needing any SEO work for this new project? "


I dont want to be banned from google!

[mrthumbs]

I dont think your attitude will bring you anywhere man.
Dont be so fucking rude and deal with the fact
you have nothing to offer.

[notjoe]

Originally posted by mrthumbs
I dont think your attitude will bring you anywhere man.
Dont be so fucking rude and deal with the fact
you have nothing to offer.

I'm glad the small % of DVD sales along side the 20% i could offer for referred sales is nothing. Im Glad all the content i have on hostedcontent.com is worthless. All 260+ hours of video encoded in extremely high quality is all worthless to you.

Glad you also see the 20,000 index images which are searchable and you can build the content off of is all worthless.

Thanks for your input

[goBigtime]

Originally posted by mrthumbs
I dont think your attitude will bring you anywhere man.
Dont be so fucking rude and deal with the fact
you have nothing to offer.

Nono he is bringing a lot to the table, but I think he might be slightly overvaluating it depending on exactly what he is going to require from this 20% partner. There's a reason that the traffic is king / content is king debate has been going on since the start of this industry -- they are both very important in having a sucessfull operation in the long term. You need fresh traffic to get new customers & fresh in-demand content to keep the customers for as long as you can once you get them.

Sounds like Joe is bringing the content & whatever coding needs to be done, plus some additional existing sites. I would think that someone that gets involved with this would want to start a completely NEW operation with joe (new affiliate program, new paysites, seperate processing account) So that things are easier to keep track of accounting/trust wise. Most billing companies (IBill, CCBill) will setup payout distributions of the net for partners.


Either way Joe needs to be a little clearer of what he is offering to the potential partner - and of course lose the "YOUR A FUCKING CLUELESS IDIOT IF YOU DONT JUMP ON THIS!" attitude if he hopes to hook someone.

[goBigtime]

Originally posted by notjoe
Because you're dumb and dont know what you're talking about!

"Oh yeah.. will you be needing any SEO work for this new project? "


I dont want to be banned from google!

Originally posted by notjoe
You may ask why i am giving up the % to do this and here is the answer. I do not do graphics and i do not do promotional work, it isnt my "thing".

::sigh:: Good luck to you and your new partner Joe.

[SpaceAce]

Wow, you're acting like a gigantic asshole.

I don't try to aggravate people and I wasn't going to say anything about this thread, but if you're going to act like such a prick, I may as well chime in.

Your program:

You provide: all the content, exclusive feeds, servers, bandwidth (initial, I guess I am responsible for the rest) and coding.

I provide: A complete redesign of the site, a complete redesign of the afiiliate program, all long-term server costs (apparently), all promotional work, all traffic genertion in any form, promotion to webmasters/administration of the affiliate program.

I get: 20% after you pay your side (read: $0 dollars if things don't go as well as you hope)


1,000 other affiliate programs out there:

They provide: All the content, exclusive/mass feeds, all server/hardware costs including all bandwidth, all coding, the affiliate program, site designs (sometimes multiple designs and tours per site), the design promotion and operation of the affiliate program, administration of the affiliate program, a well-known branded product (in some cases), gobs of promotional material and all the little extras.

I provide: Surfers

I get: 50-80% of the raw dollars generated by surfers I send, usually not including any upsells.


It sounds to me like all you're offering is more headaches.

Originally posted by notjoe

About me
I do all the coding myself. I have had some dirty laundry aired in regards to my former employeer (python video) but you can go read the thread and judge for yourself whether i am someone you want to get involved with or not.

I think people reading _this_ thread are learning all they need to know about you.

Originally posted by notjoe

STFU little boy as you have no idea what you're talking about

You're one dumb fuck, I'll let you figure this one out just like you tried to figure out my name..LOL.

Because you're dumb and dont know what you're talking about!

SpaceAce

[notjoe]

Originally posted by goBigtime



Nono he is bringing a lot to the table, but I think he might be slightly overvaluating it depending on exactly what he is going to require from this 20% partner. There's a reason that the traffic is king / content is king debate has been going on since the start of this industry -- they are both very important in having a sucessfull operation in the long term. You need fresh traffic to get new customers & fresh in-demand content to keep the customers for as long as you can once you get them.

Sounds like Joe is bringing the content & whatever coding needs to be done, plus some additional existing sites. I would think that someone that gets involved with this would want to start a completely NEW operation with joe (new affiliate program, new paysites, seperate processing account) So that things are easier to keep track of accounting/trust wise. Most billing companies (IBill, CCBill) will setup payout distributions of the net for partners.


Either way Joe needs to be a little clearer of what he is offering to the potential partner - and of course lose the "YOUR A FUCKING CLUELESS IDIOT IF YOU DONT JUMP ON THIS!" attitude if he hopes to hook someone.

I didnt ever say i was going to post the business plan nor explain the inner working of how the tracking is done to you or anything about the billing accounts. But since you want to make an issue out of it buy suggesting things would not be considered legit here is the quick scoop.

Yes we can setup the new billing accounts but considering i have more at stake to lose like the real bills which have to get paid out along with paying out the affiliates would it really make much sense to send the partner with the lessor stake the money?

Maybe to you it makes sense since you seem to be a conman, with promising #1 google listings for single word keywords.

The probilling/ccbilling account have been used but only a little bit and i'll throw whatever money is owing to me into the company pool.

Now, since you're not the brightest i'll explain how dvdera works. We process the orders ourselfs on our own merchant account which is above and beyond. We can offer a 5% kickback to the partner for sales on that site but we're not looking for real partners on it like we are on the paysites.

Hopefully that'll clear it up for you, i know you're kind of slow grasp onto these business ideas but you will learn soon, son.


Like i said, most of the hard stuff is done and i do not want any money for any time/effort which has gone into this.. USually at this stage of the game people have dropped hundreds of thousands of dollars into their sites to amass what i have sitting here..

[goBigtime]

Originally posted by goBigtime

Anyway I think it should be the other way around 20% to the coder 80% to the guy in charge of promo and design (usually someone GOOD at this wouldnt be really good at both, so the design would probably need to be contracted out to other companies)

I retract what I said up there now... I don't think 20% is enough, but then again I am dumb and don't understand it yet (because Joe hasn't properly conveyed his message to the public yet).. maybe as Joe clears things up more and more it will start to make more sense.

With my undertsanding of it right now, I would say that a "FAIR" deal would be 60% Joe, 40% guy in charge of design & marketing/pr ideas & implementation. But I think 50/50 for a completely new startup (new programs, new paysites) would be the best deal for everyone involved. From what my slow google-ban-filled brain is able to comprehend so far.

[notjoe]

Originally posted by SpaceAce
Wow, you're acting like a gigantic asshole.

I don't try to aggravate people and I wasn't going to say anything about this thread, but if you're going to act like such a prick, I may as well chime in.

Your program:

You provide: all the content, exclusive feeds, servers, bandwidth (initial, I guess I am responsible for the rest) and coding.

I provide: A complete redesign of the site, a complete redesign of the afiiliate program, all long-term server costs (apparently), all promotional work, all traffic genertion in any form, promotion to webmasters/administration of the affiliate program.

I get: 20% after you pay your side (read: $0 dollars if things don't go as well as you hope)


1,000 other affiliate programs out there:

They provide: All the content, exclusive/mass feeds, all server/hardware costs including all bandwidth, all coding, the affiliate program, site designs (sometimes multiple designs and tours per site), the design promotion and operation of the affiliate program, administration of the affiliate program, a well-known branded product (in some cases), gobs of promotional material and all the little extras.

I provide: Surfers

I get: 50-80% of the raw dollars generated by surfers I send, usually not including any upsells.


It sounds to me like all you're offering is more headaches.





SpaceAce

i bet you're retention is pure shit. If you consider doing design/some promotional work and/or telling some friends to promote something is headaches then dont do it.

I am not offering a co-branded site, or template driven crapola.


"I get: 50-80% of the raw dollars generated by surfers I send, usually not including any upsells."

I am not saying you get 20% of the surfer you send, i am saying you get 20% of the total amount of sales minus the cost of doing business. So even if webmasters join up and you didnt refer them you're still going to get yourself 20% of net from that.

This isnt a 'webmaster partnership' this is a real partnership.

[mrthumbs]

Originally posted by notjoe

So even if webmasters join up and you didnt refer them you're still going to get yourself 20% of net from that.

Yes, but who's responsible for bringing in webmasters.....??

The guy who get's 20% !

So what's the difference and what additional income/value
is there besides signups and renewals?

[goBigtime]

Originally posted by notjoe


But since you want to make an issue out of it buy suggesting things would not be considered legit here is the quick scoop.

I'm not saying shit about how your program may not be legit, or that you would clip money from people or not pay people. I'm sure your an honest person - even though I don't know you (I give everyone the benefit of the doubt to start) . I don't just start randomly bashing peoples reputation like that Joe. remember, It was YOU who wanted to come out and call me a thief and a liar without knowing shit about me - just because I stated I could do something that you yourself admitted (in this thread) that you cannot do

What I was saying about the billing cut up is just SMART BUSINESS. It would be in the best interest of whoever is going to do this with you to get the billing cuts setup properly, directly from the processor to eliminate it from becoming an issue later on.


But COME ON man, I don't want to get in a pissing match with you. Let's just stick to your offer here. I know you are being blinded by the critisizim here, but I am actually trying to HELP you here in making your offer more clear to people.. becase as-was, it was an invitation for a flame-fest (though maybe that happened anyway)

Really.. take some deep breaths here & realize you are trying to hook a new partner in this thread and not ostrasize & embarrass yourself by attacking everyone with a question or a bit of critisizim.

[goBigtime]

Originally posted by notjoe


Things like this should be left to people with real interests in going further with this idea. Problem arise and while you might say "Bullshit!" you dont take into consideration they would be able to access data which doesnt belong to the paysites.

Joe, I never said or suggested "Bullshit!".

If anything, I suggested "Tell me more!" by asking you to make your offer clearer.

[notjoe]

Originally posted by goBigtime



I retract what I said up there now... I don't think 20% is enough, but then again I am dumb and don't understand it yet (because Joe hasn't properly conveyed his message to the public yet).. maybe as Joe clears things up more and more it will start to make more sense.

With my undertsanding of it right now, I would say that a "FAIR" deal would be 60% Joe, 40% guy in charge of design & marketing/pr ideas & implementation. But I think 50/50 for a completely new startup (new programs, new paysites) would be the best deal for everyone involved. From what my slow google-ban-filled brain is able to comprehend so far.

Maybe a 50/50 would be nice however there 3 people on my side, including myself, who all have money into this (plus i have my time). Im not saying it is a lot of money.

There is a lot of other aspects to the affiliate program which i am not about to share on the board and because of you're ignorance i would never tell you.

You're also missing the value added aspect to the DVD Era site my friend. Lets see if i can spell it out for you. Webmasters get cross-selling + recurring payouts on any orders. Yes we could not use the affiliate program, yes we could work out a better deal like 50/50 but if i was interested in that i would have posted that deal instead.

Would you Rather the 25-35K/year a designer makes + 35-45k/year your sales rep makes? or would you rather 20% of the entire pie of what it is you're selling if you knew it would sell well.

Maybe it is my fault for not wanting to go into exact details of what it is i am doing because someone might copy the idea or implement it on their affil program.

I dont mind talking details but only to those who are really interested and not just fucking around to get their free wool GFY jacket.

As for your other posts,

"I'm not saying shit about how your program may not be legit, or that you would clip money from people or not pay people. I'm sure your an honest person - even though I don't know you (I give everyone the benefit of the doubt to start) . I don't just start randomly bashing peoples reputation like that Joe. remember, It was YOU who wanted to come out and call me a thief and a liar without knowing shit about me - just because I stated I could do something that you yourself admitted (in this thread) that you cannot do "

You're completely right, i never said i could and i will never promise anyone that i can do something i cannot do. You started out by offering people to get them 1 keyword first placement in SE's for their domain and completely twisted it around by the end of the thread. Atleast i hold true as to what i had originally posted.

"Joe, I never said or suggested "Bullshit!".

If anything, I suggested "Tell me more!" by asking you to make your offer clearer."

Probably would have if i didnt head you off

"But COME ON man, I don't want to get in a pissing match with you. Let's just stick to your offer here. I know you are being blinded by the critisizim here, but I am actually trying to HELP you here in making your offer more clear to people.. becase as-was, it was an invitation for a flame-fest (though maybe that happened anyway)"

It was never about a pissing match my friend. I dare you to go post your 1 Keyword Google ranking offer on http://www.webmasterworld.com and lets see what they have to say about it.

"What I was saying about the billing cut up is just SMART BUSINESS. It would be in the best interest of whoever is going to do this with you to get the billing cuts setup properly, directly from the processor to eliminate it from becoming an issue later on. "

The problem with that is this, what if bandwidth costs are up for the month and the amount of $ earned in sales is the same. So we take the hit on the bandwidth and the other partner gets off free from it?

Come on now, we're not talking about a webmaster referral service here partnership i am offering.. this is a real partnership.

joe

[goBigtime]

Originally posted by notjoe
Maybe to you it makes sense since you seem to be a conman, with promising #1 google listings for single word keywords.

Now, since you're not the brightest i'll explain how dvdera works.

Hopefully that'll clear it up for you, i know you're kind of slow grasp onto these business ideas but you will learn soon, son.

I didn't read the thread, nor will I.. but let me guess..

Python fired your because either

A) You are a major asshole (this stands even if not the reason)
B) Liability/Damage Control (see A)


I won't even bother to defend myself on the google issue. I've seen some things & read some articles lately that google doesn't like it when people talk about or offer top rankings even if they are legit (they are appealing lawsuits over pagerank right now). I'm sure Joe is the kind of guy who would go whining to google even though my methods are legitimate.

If you don't think that google will drop legitimate placements on principle - ask Persian Kitty about it. She should have top positioning for many spots, but for whatever reason google chose to specifically target & limit the weight of her links and pagerank. She should be sueing them as well for that matter. But I just don't think that's her style.


Anyway Joe, I don't know what you have against me, or life in general but maybe someday we can work it out

[goBigtime]

MrThumbs: Msg'd you -- turn your ICQ on. I'm taking off for awhile in a few minutes here.

[goBigtime]

Originally posted by notjoe


There is a lot of other aspects to the affiliate program which i am not about to share on the board and because of you're ignorance i would never tell you.

Lol Joe. My supreme ignorance has landed me hundreds of thousands of dollars from many/most of the largest and oldest players in this industry over the years and that was just on the B2B side of things (nothing to do with SEO of course) completely seperate from our end-user projects. I wont namedrop here for fear of shemp/choker style retribution, and well, it just isn't appropriate to drop names in what appears to have become a pissing match

But trust me, people reading this thread aren't thinking I'm the ignorant one

[stocktrader23]

Originally posted by mrthumbs
except for the design part you are basicly offering a
20/80 partner program.. in a world where 50/50 or even 60/40
is the standard, you wont get much out of it..

Ok, people this is absolutely fucking rediculous. He is offering 20% of the profit from the subscription business as a whole. No this is not the same fucking thing as signing up to a 50/50 revshare program. How in the hell can you even compare it?

Let's see, would I rather join a 50/50 revshare to adultcash or OWN 20% OF THE WHOLE FUCKING BUSINESS! Any dumbass is offered 50% OF HIS SALES ONLY. He doesn't get 50% of all profits from the entire paysite.

Otherwise everyone that signed up to any 50/50 revshare of a popular website would be rich. Yea, I keep 50% of the profit from all of the revshare programs I join.

FUCKING IDIOTS.

[p00p]

Originally posted by notjoe


You're fucking NUTS.


I provide the servers, the affiliate program, the initial bandwidth/colo costs, the members area coding, all of the content, the high end video feeds + exclusive feeds for only 20%?

Who supplies the traffic, which is the ONLY thing that will determine whether or not you get off the ground?

[notjoe]

Originally posted by stocktrader23


Ok, people this is absolutely fucking rediculous. He is offering 20% of the profit from the subscription business as a whole. No this is not the same fucking thing as signing up to a 50/50 revshare program. How in the hell can you even compare it?

Let's see, would I rather join a 50/50 revshare to adultcash or OWN 20% OF THE WHOLE FUCKING BUSINESS! Any dumbass is offered 50% OF HIS SALES ONLY. He doesn't get 50% of all profits from the entire paysite.

Otherwise everyone that signed up to any 50/50 revshare of a popular website would be rich. Yea, I keep 50% of the profit from all of the revshare programs I join.

FUCKING IDIOTS.

Finally someone who understands what i am offering..

Was it just the way i put it or are these guys just fucked up and looking to flame me?

[railz]

Am I getting this right?

You're looking for a designer to re-design a bunch of sites, then market them and be the "front" man for this?

I'd be interested. ICQ is in the sig. Only problem is one of liability - if things go tits-up, I'm guessing I (or whoever you take on) could end up taking all the heat for stuff that was out of their control.

In any case, drop me a line sometime.

[stocktrader23]

Originally posted by notjoe


Finally someone who understands what i am offering..

Was it just the way i put it or are these guys just fucked up and looking to flame me?

I've come to the conclusion that some of them are just fucking retarded.

Anyway, I would definately be interested in your offer. I would love to take a look around and see what you have to offer. 20% is fine with me if the site is something I think can be made big. I will be honest with you, I love marketing, I am great at it. However, I don't do graphics, etc. I have someone I am almost positive would help me with it. If you don't mind 2 people on this end helping out hit me up.

Is there any chance you have aim? I have ICQ but I'm not at home at the moment.

Thanks and let me know.

[goBigtime]

You're completely right, i never said i could and i will never promise anyone that i can do something i cannot do. You started out by offering people to get them 1 keyword first placement in SE's for their domain and completely twisted it around by the end of the thread. Atleast i hold true as to what i had originally posted.

I never twisted anything around. I RETRACTED my offer due to all of the flaming and personal attacks calilng me a liar and a theif(half of it by you). WTF would I want to help out people like that?

I know what I can do (legitimately) on google. -- And please don't contact me about SEO stuff, thank Joe for my quick entry/exit into the wonderful world of SEO . I've got people I could contact about this if I really wanted to get into SEO, but it really is a lot of work to snag those top positions, I just posted to GFY because I've been in this nonstop-GFY-posting mode lately and wind up posting with a raw-thought connection to GFY (I'm sure alot of you know what I'm talking about).

However, if anyone wants tips/hints to what itswas all about feel free to search for "#1 Google" on GFY... or something like that.

[notjoe]

Originally posted by railz
Am I getting this right?

You're looking for a designer to re-design a bunch of sites, then market them and be the "front" man for this?

I'd be interested. ICQ is in the sig. Only problem is one of liability - if things go tits-up, I'm guessing I (or whoever you take on) could end up taking all the heat for stuff that was out of their control.

In any case, drop me a line sometime.

Yes, but not market them solely to surfers but to get the webmasters involved and promoting our sites as well. They will need to work closely with me to implement the designs and whatnot. They would handle all the webmaster relations, promotions and stuff like that, of course if/when we get big we would hire additional people but you would still own 20% of the subscription based business.

The person for this should probably have close ties to lots of webmasters and have good working contacts
Joe

[Theo]

You get 20% from the money the affiliates bring as well. I think if someone is good at graphics and promo with available time he should consider it.

[stocktrader23]

Originally posted by notjoe


Finally someone who understands what i am offering..

Was it just the way i put it or are these guys just fucked up and looking to flame me?

As I said I am very interested. Don't make me install ICQ on this computer, lol. I'm not home at the moment. If some wise person hasn't scooped this up yet could you please IM me on AIM?

stocktrader23

If you only have ICQ post here 1 more time and I will download it. Blah

[railz]

Originally posted by notjoe


Yes, but not market them solely to surfers but to get the webmasters involved and promoting our sites as well. They will need to work closely with me to implement the designs and whatnot. They would handle all the webmaster relations, promotions and stuff like that, of course if/when we get big we would hire additional people but you would still own 20% of the subscription based business.

The person for this should probably have close ties to lots of webmasters and have good working contacts
Joe

Like I said, drop me a line sometime if you're still looking for someone.

[notjoe]

Originally posted by stocktrader23


As I said I am very interested. Don't make me install ICQ on this computer, lol. I'm not home at the moment. If some wise person hasn't scooped this up yet could you please IM me on AIM?

stocktrader23

If you only have ICQ post here 1 more time and I will download it. Blah

I got an aim Account, notjoegfy

[p00p]

notjoe, who supplies the traffic to your sites? Is there already traffic going to them, or is your %20 'partner' responsible for traffic, too?

[AWW - Kevin]

(didn't read all replies!)
but
what if MarcDe(ARS) or Lensman or someone had offered
20% to someone when they started (not suggesting you just started in this biz) who'd be laughing now ?

there's lots of ppl here with skills but no or very little money
20% of something is better then 50% of nothing...

as quiet would say
" "

[notjoe]

Originally posted by p00p
notjoe, who supplies the traffic to your sites? Is there already traffic going to them, or is your %20 'partner' responsible for traffic, too?

very little traffic going to the sites now. If i was a marketing person and had good webmaster relations it would be a different story.

The obejct isnt for the "partner" to send traffic themself, like i've said in numerous posts previous to this "This isnt a webmaster revshare deal". Your end goal will be to get as many webmasters promoting this program so that the 20% builds into a lot. It doesnt matter where the webmasters who are promoting our program come as you are a partner and get 20% of the net profit and not just the traffic you generate.

You would be our partner in running the day to day operations of our affiliate program /paysites. If we become huge and net 1million, 200K of that is coming to you.


Follow me now?

Joe

[p00p]

How much faith do you have that you are going to make millions?
Is there a base starting salary? I would assume this is a full time job, and the person you hire has to jump in with both feet, leaving him no time to earn cash anywhere else. So would you provide a decent salary until the ball gets rolling?

[notjoe]

Originally posted by p00p
How much faith do you have that you are going to make millions?
Is there a base starting salary? I would assume this is a full time job, and the person you hire has to jump in with both feet, leaving him no time to earn cash anywhere else. So would you provide a decent salary until the ball gets rolling?

No the person doesnt need to jump in with both feet and if i was willing to pay someone a salary then i would be offering a percentage of the company and then i would still need to worry about whether they were doing their job or not.

I find people work harder when they have their own interests at heart.

As for giving up their fulltime job, their bread and butter, i do not expect anyone to do that. For the right person we will accept the fact they have to earn a living. We can work on one site, get it up and running, making money and start to suppplement earnings as things grow bigger.

I've been planning this for a while now and am in no rush although the sooner things get done the sooner some money could be made.

[Theo]

Originally posted by p00p
How much faith do you have that you are going to make millions?
Is there a base starting salary? I would assume this is a full time job, and the person you hire has to jump in with both feet, leaving him no time to earn cash anywhere else. So would you provide a decent salary until the ball gets rolling?

he doesnt hire anyone. Jesus, nobody reads

[notjoe]

Originally posted by Soul_Rebel


he doesnt hire anyone. Jesus, nobody reads

Fuck it i give up

[sextoyking]

Not Joe,

you truly do come off like a complete asshole.

20% aint shit nowadays, and your programming isn't much either on that dvdera site. Get a real shopping cart, and learn how to put products correctly on pages

I see the same bs attitude from you all the time. if you wanna do biz with people, show respect.

Anyone can goto elance.com and get the programming done cheap right now.

todd

[goBigtime]

Originally posted by sextoyking
Not Joe,

you truly do come off like a complete asshole.

20% aint shit nowadays, and your programming isn't much either on that dvdera site. Get a real shopping cart, and learn how to put products correctly on pages

I see the same bs attitude from you all the time. if you wanna do biz with people, show respect.

Anyone can goto elance.com and get the programming done cheap right now.

todd

As far as the deal goes, it sounds like he is coming to the table with ~$50k-$100k in content rights though (valuing it at around $200-$400/hour). Could make a lot of interesting sites with that depending on how fresh the content is.

[FATPad]

How do people automatically figure 20% of an entire operation is worse than being an affiliate at 50%?

Jeez, get someone in there who can pick up the ball and run with it, and they'll make way more than any one affiliate getting 50%.

I guess it's true, webmasters are attracted to big shiny numbers.