evil response I got

[tolik]

tell you more....

when americans kill peoples in Yugoslavia, Vietnam, Iraq americans been good?

so americans kill too much innocent people.

and got REVENGE for all what they do in past...

like 98% in exUSSR think like me and glad what this happenind at least.

usa a country#1?
usa #1 i deep shit...

wanna be a county #1 and cant stop even a few terrorists?

nope...

it MY viewpoint...



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[-=HUNGRYMAN=-]

Originally posted by tolik:

tell you more....

when americans kill peoples in Yugoslavia, Vietnam, Iraq americans been good?

so americans kill too much innocent people.

and got REVENGE for all what they do in past...

like 98% in exUSSR think like me and glad what this happenind at least.

usa a country#1?
usa #1 i deep shit...

wanna be a county #1 and cant stop even a few terrorists?

nope...

it MY viewpoint...

You'd better start licking MY toes, or you'll be the next whiney 'lil bitch grabbing your ankles too !!

Just remember ... if it were not for the US involvement ... you pathetic little TOE-LICKERS would still be Commies ...

Don't get me wrong ... I know your democracy has come at a cost, but I have MANY Russian/ex-USSR friends, who ALL say they would not trade democracy for ANYTHING !!!

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[Sjayne]

The fact of the matter is that over the years some very bad things have been done in our name around the world. Most of them are things that the majority of American don't even know took place.

We have caused the deaths of large populations of innocent people. Not always through bombing and outright war but by indirect but higly vidible (in those countries but not ours) means.

An example is the backing of dictaorships in Chillie. If you don't know what happened there then you need to read up on history. It has been in the news again over the last year because the British arrested the dictator that both of our governments once supported. We are talking people being tortured and killed in massive numbers.

Think about the Russians in relation to what is going on at the moment. A LOT of their people died fighting in war against Afghanistan and a lot of the time they died at the end of weapons that the United States supplied to their enemy.

Think about all those millions of people in countries that have been victims of terrible disasters in huge numbers that frankly the American public couldn't care less about.

There is genocide going on in Africa and we do nothing. Of course we are under no obligation to help - other than a moral obligation. However, I can understand why these people are wondering why their lives are worth less than American lives.

I think of those poor women that are under the rule of the Taliban that no one here gave a crap about. They are stoned in the street if they show too much skin or if they laugh. They didn't alwys live like that. They used to go to school and have right. They woke up one moring to a new government and their country had changed from a relativly liberal Muslim society to one where they could be killed on the spot for disenting. We as Americans are suppose to care about things like that but we did not demand that any action be taken to help these people. Would it have helped if they were white and European? Well the fact of the matter is again that that government was put in place with OUR gun and OUR backing. Top that off with the fact that the leader of the opppsition in Afghanistan (aka the good guy) was confirmed dead yesterday and these women must feel they have no hope. That is of course if they know it happened because TV is BANNED. So is the internet. So your tax dollars went to putting those women in hell and most of you (you being general) couldn't honestly care less. If you do why haven't you voiced your disgust to your government? Can you blame these trapped people from thinking their lives are seen as less important than those of Americans?

So..while I think ANYONE that would suggest that Americans deserved to die is evil..I also think that when things have calmed down a bit we all owe it to those that died to read the history of what our government has done around the world. To understand why people sometimes see our government as the bad guy. We do so much good in the world but as you know one bad deed over powers the good ones.

[CoreDump]

Originally posted by stangster:
Where's Canada?

To the north-west of The Netherlands

[tolik]

i dont agree with any terrorist action, but look back on 2.5 years ago...

when americans bomb bridge in Yugoslavia and kill many peoples (innocent citizens, even without weapons), so americans be a fucking herous...

americans watch this show on TV with popcorn and beer and scream "... bomb they more..."...

so and now americans get a terrible revenge for all what they do...

and this not a end...

usa be attaced by terrorists in future much more time if americans start bomb Afganistan and other asians countryes...

maybe somebody know what is Koran ?
or Shariat law?

then you can imagine what happening in near future if americans be bomb these countryes




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[tolik]

Originally posted by -=HUNGRYMAN=-:
You'd better start licking MY toes, or you'll be the next whiney 'lil bitch grabbing your ankles too !!

Just remember ... if it were not for the US involvement ... you pathetic little TOE-LICKERS would still be Commies ...

Don't get me wrong ... I know your democracy has come at a cost, but I have MANY Russian/ex-USSR friends, who ALL say they would not trade democracy for ANYTHING !!!

you better think before you be write something next time....



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[LisaMarie]

what our GOVERNMENT did does not mean Americans did! that's just like saying the Arabs and Muslims are to blame! they ALL didn't do it, just a few little goat-banging geiks! who, yes, SHOULD BE SEVERLY punished (hopefully on pay-per-view)

but Tolik, I personally am offended by your
"fucking Americanos" statement!
you sound incredibly racist (obviously)

I'm sure YOUR Government's no SAINT either!
so I hope you get what's coming to THEM someday for things that you had nothing to do with!



[This message has been edited by LisaMarie (edited 09-15-2001).]

[-=HUNGRYMAN=-]

Originally posted by Sjayne:

An example is the backing of dictaorships in Chillie...

If you don't know what happened there then you need to read up on history.

I cant even find "Chillie" on a map, little own in a history book!

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[shunga]

Originally posted by Sjayne:
Think about the Russians in relation to what is going on at the moment. A LOT of their people died fighting in war against Afghanistan and a lot of the time they died at the end of weapons that the United States supplied to their enemy.

You have to understand that Afghanistan is a much more complicated subject than that. The US did supply the Mujahadeen with weapons, in particular Stinger anti-aircraft missiles which had a large impact on the Soviet command of the air, but you must remember that Afghanistan shares a long border with Iran, and must have received most of their supplies from there. The Soviets invaded and installed a puppet Communist regime. You could therefore argue that the Soviets were responsible for the suffering of the Afghan people, and helped the rise of the Taliban, much more so than the US.

[tolik]

Originally posted by LisaMarie:
what our GOVERNMENT did does not mean Americans did! that's just like saying the Arabs and Muslims are to blame! they ALL didn't do it, just a few little goat-banging geiks! who, yes, SHOULD BE SEVERLY punished (hopefully on pay-per-view)

but Tolik, I personally am offended by your
"fucking Americanos" statement!
you sound incredibly racist (obviously)

I'm sure YOUR Government's no SAINT either!
so I hope you get what's coming to THEM someday for things that you had nothing to do with!
[This message has been edited by LisaMarie (edited 09-15-2001).]

LisaMarie....

my goverment not a saint...
you maybe hear some about Pavel Lazarenko...
His been a major of my city in past.

but i like my goverment in some parts...

ok about other in your answer....

i dont a rasist at all.

usa goverment dont do anything with they oun hands. they send army.

you write:
just a few little goat-banging geiks! who, yes, SHOULD BE SEVERLY punished (hopefully on pay-per-view)
...

pay per view... interested to view?
go to Afganistan or Iraq and ask for this on streets ....

they show to you on you body how be a "...SEVERLY punished..."...



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[-=HUNGRYMAN=-]

Originally posted by tolik:
you better think before you be write something next time....

Did I hear right ?!? Was that a threat of some sort, Tough Guy ???

If it was, then I suggest you BRING IT ON !!!
But I know you will just hide behind your PC talking all your shit ... just like the next whiney little bitch.

Hey Toe Licker ... why don't you give us the longitude and latitude co-ordinates for your house ... I am sure we can make a detour on the way to Afganistan

(TO ALL THE GFY REGULARS:
I usually don't get riled up very easily ... but the recent onslaught of trash-talking assholes on this board lately has really rubbed me the wrong way !!! sorry)

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[LisaMarie]

yeah, well that's why I live in America!
freedom of speech! ever hear of it?

and yes, I WOULD be willing to pay to see the execution (justice in action)

whatever they do to people "on the street" is just one more reason to ixnay them from our world

[Sjayne]

Originally posted by -=HUNGRYMAN=-:
I cant even find "Chillie" on a map, little own in a history book!

Try looking for 'Chile' and not my lame arse spelling (it was too early in the day).

I am hoping that is what you are talking about..else I will be forced give a history lesson

[LisaMarie]

"my goverment not a saint"

my point exactly Tolik



[This message has been edited by LisaMarie (edited 09-15-2001).]

[tolik]

Originally posted by LisaMarie:

yeah, well that's why I live in America!
freedom of speech! ever hear of it?

and yes, I WOULD be willing to pay to see the execution (justice in action)

whatever they do to people "on the street" is just one more reason to ixnay them from our world

and you call me "rasist" after you wrote this?

funny... realy funny...

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[LisaMarie]

hahaha

well, now I KNOW you're a moron!

thinking the people who are RESPONSIBLE should pay for it is NOT racist

obviously you didn't read my statement above where I said "that doesn't mean ALL Arabs and Muslims are involved"?

get a clue!

[LisaMarie]

P.S. you can't even spell "rasist"
duh!

go put your head back in the sand jerk off

[This message has been edited by LisaMarie (edited 09-15-2001).]

[tolik]

Originally posted by -=HUNGRYMAN=-:
Did I hear right ?!? Was that a threat of some sort, Tough Guy ???

If it was, then I suggest you BRING IT ON !!!
But I know you will just hide behind your PC talking all your shit ... just like the next whiney little bitch.

Hey Toe Licker ... why don't you give us the longitude and latitude co-ordinates for your house ... I am sure we can make a detour on the way to Afganistan

(TO ALL THE GFY REGULARS:
I usually don't get riled up very easily ... but the recent onslaught of trash-talking assholes on this board lately has really rubbed me the wrong way !!! sorry)

mail me i send to you my adress, because if i post my adress here to much assholes like you come to my for kiss my ass and suck my dick...

but unfortunately im not a gay, but i make exception for you only....

come to Ukraine, suck my dick...



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[LisaMarie]

TOTALLY uncool Tolik!

I have some gay friends, and I wouldn't even compare you to them (they'd be ashamed)

so now you're gay descriminant? AND racist towards Americans?

wow! I'm SO glad you have the freedom of the internet to let out your frustrations
you coward!

[tolik]

Originally posted by LisaMarie:

hahaha

well, now I KNOW you're a moron!

thinking the people who are RESPONSIBLE should pay for it is NOT racist

obviously you didn't read my statement above where I said "that doesn't mean ALL Arabs and Muslims are involved"?

get a clue!

tell this to bomb what be droped in country what americans call victims and be dropped these bombs on they peoples....

i dont like english at all...
and i dont care how write words right...

do you be out off usa, do you travel in countryes when people dont know that a thing english language?

you even read all what i write and even try to understand my viewpoint....


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[LisaMarie]

well, here's the response I got back from him...and just so everyone knows, I DIDN'T send it to the FBI (just wanted to fuck with him a little)
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You can pass it along to whoever you would like to pass it on to, The FBI Has better things to deal with remember Canada is a Free of speech country and everyone may have his own openion, so stop harassing me and emailing me as I have already told you in the past.
Remember if you falsify any information or give the FBI any misleading info on what I have said then I will take legal and civil action against you.


Thank you.

A Very Proud Canadian Citizen!.
[email protected]
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what a dickweed! I'm sure Canada isn't proud to have HIM as a citizen
hahaha

[Sjayne]

Bigotry is wrong regardless of who you are bigoted against. Period. End of Story.

[tolik]

Originally posted by LisaMarie:
well, here's the response I got back from him...and just so everyone knows, I DIDN'T send it to the FBI (just wanted to fuck with him a little)
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You can pass it along to whoever you would like to pass it on to, The FBI Has better things to deal with remember Canada is a Free of speech country and everyone may have his own openion, so stop harassing me and emailing me as I have already told you in the past.
Remember if you falsify any information or give the FBI any misleading info on what I have said then I will take legal and civil action against you.


Thank you.

A Very Proud Canadian Citizen!.
[email protected]
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what a dickweed! I'm sure Canada isn't proud to have HIM as a citizen
hahaha

all bad who dont agree with you...
you stigmatize all who uncoordinated you viewpoin....

so maybe you better shut up?

i try to answer to you but you like only what you type...



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[LisaMarie]

well, I started this thread Tolik, so if you don't like it, maybe YOU should shut up

I ignored your last statement, but yet you still keep going (obviously looking for a fight)


[This message has been edited by LisaMarie (edited 09-15-2001).]

[Hot Tropical Babes]

I think his pantyhose is too tight. I hate when that happens.

[Gemini]

A ti che loh koncheniy po angliyski pisat ne umeesh ? Ti v kontse kontsov dopizdishsya I mi tebe slomaem nogi - budesh na kolyaske webmasterit.

[LisaMarie]

hehehe

hi Tropical Babe!

[Hot Tropical Babes]

Hi Lisa,
Get em girl! LOL

[LisaMarie]

you saw that pic that Marcus posted, huh?
HAHAHA

[DarkJedi]

like 98% in exUSSR think like me and glad what this happenind at least

don't believe that fuck head. everybody here is outraged about these attacks.
It's just 1 little low-life-scum-bag that says it.

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[Hot Tropical Babes]

Originally posted by LisaMarie:

you saw that pic that Marcus posted, huh?
HAHAHA

That pic could be a new niche! LOL
Bobbin Laddin

[LisaMarie]

Thanks Jedi!
and good one Tropical Babe!



I think I know why he's so pissed now

now that Marcus has shown me the light, I think I owe Tolik an apology

I mean, if you're going to do someone infamous and ugly, you mide as well get the credit for it, right?

therefore, I'm sorry Tolik
they SHOULDN'T have cut off your head

[eRock]

Maybe YOU should!
Where's the mahjority of your money coming from!?

Originally posted by tolik:
you better think before you be write something next time....

[baddog]

Originally posted by Sjayne:
There is genocide going on in Africa and we do nothing. Of course we are under no obligation to help - other than a moral obligation.

And if we do something then we are deserving being attacked by terrorists I guess


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[eRock]

So, you're saying we deserved this then!? What a piece of shit!

Originally posted by Sjayne:
The fact of the matter is that over the years some very bad things have been done in our name around the world. Most of them are things that the majority of American don't even know took place.

We have caused the deaths of large populations of innocent people. Not always through bombing and outright war but by indirect but higly vidible (in those countries but not ours) means.

An example is the backing of dictaorships in Chillie. If you don't know what happened there then you need to read up on history. It has been in the news again over the last year because the British arrested the dictator that both of our governments once supported. We are talking people being tortured and killed in massive numbers.

Think about the Russians in relation to what is going on at the moment. A LOT of their people died fighting in war against Afghanistan and a lot of the time they died at the end of weapons that the United States supplied to their enemy.

Think about all those millions of people in countries that have been victims of terrible disasters in huge numbers that frankly the American public couldn't care less about.

There is genocide going on in Africa and we do nothing. Of course we are under no obligation to help - other than a moral obligation. However, I can understand why these people are wondering why their lives are worth less than American lives.

I think of those poor women that are under the rule of the Taliban that no one here gave a crap about. They are stoned in the street if they show too much skin or if they laugh. They didn't alwys live like that. They used to go to school and have right. They woke up one moring to a new government and their country had changed from a relativly liberal Muslim society to one where they could be killed on the spot for disenting. We as Americans are suppose to care about things like that but we did not demand that any action be taken to help these people. Would it have helped if they were white and European? Well the fact of the matter is again that that government was put in place with OUR gun and OUR backing. Top that off with the fact that the leader of the opppsition in Afghanistan (aka the good guy) was confirmed dead yesterday and these women must feel they have no hope. That is of course if they know it happened because TV is BANNED. So is the internet. So your tax dollars went to putting those women in hell and most of you (you being general) couldn't honestly care less. If you do why haven't you voiced your disgust to your government? Can you blame these trapped people from thinking their lives are seen as less important than those of Americans?

So..while I think ANYONE that would suggest that Americans deserved to die is evil..I also think that when things have calmed down a bit we all owe it to those that died to read the history of what our government has done around the world. To understand why people sometimes see our government as the bad guy. We do so much good in the world but as you know one bad deed over powers the good ones.

[baddog]

Originally posted by Sjayne:
There is genocide going on in Africa and we do nothing. . . .
I think of those poor women that are under the rule of the Taliban that no one here gave a crap about.

well that was weird, let me try this again.

So sjayne, you are saying we are damned if we do, and damned if we do not.

If we do something about genocide in Africa we are power hungry warmongers that deserve to be attacked by terrorists for putting our noses in other peoples business. If we do nothing, it is because we do not care or their lives have little value to us. We can do nothing right it seems.

However, I am glad all these anti-American webmasters are voiving their opinions, because now I know who to do business with and who not to do business with.

They hate USA but love our dollars. Well fuck that shit. I am making a list of these people available to anyone who requests it, or wants to add to it. If you have traffic trades with them, stop. If they have TGPs do not submit, if you have one that they submit to, deny it. If you host them or they host you, discontinue. You are only supporting terrorists when you do business with these assholes.

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[Amputate Your Head]

Tolik, if you're trying to make some kind of point... I guarantee it's being lost on 99% of us here. I can't even pretend to be able to read that.

[Sjayne]

Originally posted by eRock:
So, you're saying we deserved this then!? What a piece of shit!

Uh NO! And don't you DARE suggest I am saying that! For god's sake have you read anything I have written in other posts. Try the one called 'Please take a moment to read what I did today' and then go search out the one where I say that my stepdaughter has a friend who was injured and another one that is missing.

Top that all off with the fact that *I* am american. Whay the hell would I say we deserved it.

I am saying that it is our duty to know what our government is doing around the world in our name. Fact is most of us don't and sometimes they are doing very bad things. Other times they are doing very good things.

No nation is perfect and we are no exception and as we are a gov't for the people and by the people we need react when our government does do things - like back murderous dicators and turn a blind eye to genocide (and I am not making that up..it really is genocide) in non white countries.

I am proud to be an American..I would be even more proud if out of all this mess the American people took greater concern and informed themselves on our nation's forgien policy and actually voiced their opinions when they disagree with it.

I am sorry if this all too raw for you to understand what I am saying. I can understand that but don't even start to think I am in any - ANY - way saying we deserve this. I just think we need to wake up and realise there is a WHOLE world out there.

[DarkJedi]

Oh come on ! Will you ppl stop wrighting these essays ? Write something plain, like: Lets kill all arabs or lets kill all terrorists or lets not kill innocent people or ARMAGEDDON - like that. All these long threads make my eyes hurt

[This message has been edited by DarkJedi (edited 09-15-2001).]

[tolik]

Originally posted by Amputate Your Head:
Tolik, if you're trying to make some kind of point... I guarantee it's being lost on 99% of us here. I can't even pretend to be able to read that.

last my post not for english-speaking webmasters....

as i see if i have a other viewpoint to something, and my viewpoint is other then americans then i bad?

usa have a democraty? no

americans can only make flame wars at forums as i see....



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[Sjayne]

Originally posted by baddog:
However, I am glad all these anti-American webmasters are voiving their opinions, because now I know who to do business with and who not to do business with.

They hate USA but love our dollars. Well fuck that shit. I am making a list of these people available to anyone who requests it, or wants to add to it. If you have traffic trades with them, stop. If they have TGPs do not submit, if you have one that they submit to, deny it. If you host them or they host you, discontinue. You are only supporting terrorists when you do business with these assholes.

I am dearly hoping that isn't aimed at me. I honestly don't how I could at all be considered anti-American.

Let me say this clearly - WE DID NOT DESRVE THIS. THE TERRORISTS (note terrorists..not all Arabs) THAT WERE INVOLVED WITH THIS DESERVE TO BE KILLED IN EXTREMELY PAINFUL WAYS.

However, if we as a nation do not sit down and discuss our role in the world it will happen again. I can not blindly agree with everything MY government does because not all of it is right. However - I will stand by it with what it decides to at the moment. If the nukes come out I will pull back that unconditional support because frankly I vistited the Smithsonian when the Enola Gay was on display (not sure if it still is) and that ws gut wretching.

In short: Do NOT! Call me Anti American. I am American and I belive in free speach. And what I am saying is a zillion times removed from those that have posted here saying we deserve it.

[Amputate Your Head]

tolik, dude, I didn't say your viewpoint wasn't worth expressing. Express away man... but how is anyone HERE supposed to either agree or disagree if they can't even read it? That's all.

[This message has been edited by Amputate Your Head (edited 09-15-2001).]

[baddog]

sjayne,
no, I was not saying you were un-american, I was asking you what are we supposed to do. If we get involved in problems in other lands then we are the bad guy, and if we do not we are the bad guy. We can not win.

The second part of my post was directed towards assholes like tolik and [email protected] and the others that I have been keeping track of.

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[tolik]

AYH - it been just a letter to other peoples here who know a russian... it not my viewpoint...

you can find my viewpoint at top of page
if you wish ofcource

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[Rocky]

sometimes i can't believe what people write

this is not about what one country or another has done in the past

it's about the staggering amount of lives lost due to a terrorist attack

the significance of the tragedy has nothing to do with it being waged against Americans, but rather the magnitude of the destruction and loss of innocent lives

and how anyone can start criticizing a country that is grieving makes me sick

[Sjayne]

Originally posted by Rocky:
sometimes i can't believe what people write

this is not about what one country or another has done in the past

it's about the staggering amount of lives lost due to a terrorist attack

the significance of the tragedy has nothing to do with it being waged against Americans, but rather the magnitude of the destruction and loss of innocent lives

and how anyone can start criticizing a country that is grieving makes me sick

Rocky you are OF COURSE right. I just don't want it to happen again - to ANY country.

I don't want to get bombed here in London. When we attacked Libya we used UK bases and the Brits got attacked because of that. Those bases will likely be used again and I am not afraid to admit it scares the shit out of me. I don't want to die.

My mother in law was alive and lived here when London got bombed in WW2 and she is having shell shock moments this week. Serious stuff. She woke up screaming the other night and that would scare the crap out of anyone.

Just need to know that when we bomb (and we will) all of the nations on our side and who will fight next to our boys are terrified.

As to what we should do - well how about just keeping informed as a society. I know we can't be everywhere but on the African genocide issue - if you have any grandparents that lived in Germany in WW2 and were Jewish (I do in my family..tho I am not Jewish..long story) ask them if it was too big a risk?

[LisaMarie]

thank you Rocky! (my Canadian friend)

that's exactly what this is about!
loss of lives and tragedy!
not who deserved and who didn't!

everyone who thinks we deserved it should look in their OWN backyard!
and mind their own business,
instead of making rude comments!

just imagine how a victim's family would feel if they came here and saw "you deserved it"?

[FADE19]

Sounds to me like this guy KNOWS something..We should all probably report him to the FBI...

Originally posted by tolik:

and this not a end...

usa be attaced by terrorists in future much more time if americans start bomb Afganistan and other asians countryes...

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