Revshare is better than FlatRate Programs

[maxjohan]

A good rev is the best..but ps is the easy money.

[the(G)thang]

So your saying that its best to get shit money quick, than waiting a couple of months and getting better money.. doesnt make sense to me

[playa]

well if you think about it if partnerships are really bad then all PPS sponsors wouldn't work either because they make their money from reaccurring also

[Tipsy]

The daft thing is when people say one is definately better than the other. It depends 100% on the site that's being pushed. Sad truth is most sites will make far more per signup than revshare if the options are there. That's mainly becauase the content is shit on many of the sites out there.

It's very easy to prove the point simply by trying each system for 12 months but then few if anyone shouting loudest in this thread has done so. Kimmy asked many times for the figures to back it up yet I've not seen any yet only more BS shouting how it must be better to push revshare.

The 'easy' money thing is the funniest. The easiest money will always be the one that gives you the biggest bank balance whether it be in 3,6,12 months. Per signup is no 'easier' unless it's making you more money. But then anyone with any sense will probably be pushing both and using the model that works best for each individual site.

[Tipsy]

Originally posted by playa
well if you think about it if partnerships are really bad then all PPS sponsors wouldn't work either because they make their money from reaccurring also

That's a very limited viewpoint. Any site with their head screwed on has many other ways to make money from the punter (and I'm not talking cross sales) and that can be easily worked into per signup amounts.

But then again, both have their merits depending on the particular site.

[tha_timinator]

Originally posted by Kimmykim
Somehow those numbers don't add up for me

Let's say you've got a pay per join of 30 bucks. You get paid on trials. You do 10 sales. Thats 300 bucks.

Then you've got a recurring. You also do 10 sales at 5 bucks per trial with a 35 dollar rebill. And you get 50%. So you have now collected 2.50 x 10 (if you arent getting stuck with processor fees on half), making 25 dollars so far.

Now 35% (the industry average on a good day any more) of those people take the full month... so that's 3.5, hell we'll say 4 -- at 17.50 for you. That's what, 70 more dollars? So you are at 95 bucks now.

The second month, of those 4 people, let's be generous and say that 2 recur. so thats another 35 for you.

We are now 64 days into this process and you've got a whopping 130 coming at you.

When you'd have had 300 right off the bat on pay per join...

Correct my math if I am wrong, by all means.

kimmykim,

I get your point - don't see what could be wrong in your numbers and percentages BUT, as mentioned before: if this is reality, how can PPS even exist today?!?
sponsors aren't charity so at the end of the day the PPS sponsor needs to have some profit left. this means his cash in is actually more than the $300 that flowed out... which means recurring should be making more than pps on the long term, because the sponsor is earning its money on a recurring basis as well!!

conclusion: your recur-percentages are to pessimistic - recurring occurs during a longer period and/or the percentage of the trials that buy the full month is higher than 35%.

just my

if you have other clues, i'm very curious...

tim

[playa]

after 3 months with a good partnership it'll almost feel like you own the paysite

lot of people don't know that because no one stays committed

[Pornkings]

Originally posted by Kimmykim
Somehow those numbers don't add up for me

Let's say you've got a pay per join of 30 bucks. You get paid on trials. You do 10 sales. Thats 300 bucks.

Then you've got a recurring. You also do 10 sales at 5 bucks per trial with a 35 dollar rebill. And you get 50%. So you have now collected 2.50 x 10 (if you arent getting stuck with processor fees on half), making 25 dollars so far.

Now 35% (the industry average on a good day any more) of those people take the full month... so that's 3.5, hell we'll say 4 -- at 17.50 for you. That's what, 70 more dollars? So you are at 95 bucks now.

The second month, of those 4 people, let's be generous and say that 2 recur. so thats another 35 for you.

We are now 64 days into this process and you've got a whopping 130 coming at you.

When you'd have had 300 right off the bat on pay per join...

Correct my math if I am wrong, by all means.

I think you got it covered

[Sly_RJ]

PPS baby!

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revshare is bad for the cashflow

[playa]

recurring is what you call residue income

everyday someone complains that they are having a bad day for conversions,,

well if they had for example 500 active members in a partnership then the daily averages can surely help you


i am not knocking PPS by no means BUT
having different kind of programs should be like owning Shares of Stock
to heavy in one industry is a risk

spread your sponsors out

every good Webmaster will have in their portfolio

PPS
Parntership
Email
Dialer

and so on on on

hope this helps out,,

btw i still get checks from Gammacash and i haven't pushed them in over a year

[Shoplifter]

Originally posted by Kimmykim

We are now 64 days into this process and you've got a whopping 130 coming at you.

When you'd have had 300 right off the bat on pay per join...

Correct my math if I am wrong, by all means.

You forgot to allocate for the shave.

I wont touch anyone running their own PPS script....the temptation to shave off is just too overwhelming for most.

[AaronM]

Originally posted by the(G)thang
I don't even wanna get into shaving cause than I will get all the Pay Per Signup Program owners that visit GFY on my ass...

LOL...As if Rev share programs never shave. Too funny.

[nocostporn]

Originally posted by AaronM



LOL...As if Rev share programs never shave. Too funny.

exactly...everybody is fucked up...TIME FOR A CHANGE!

[the(G)thang]

Lol, this thread is still going. Well, NOTHING CAN BEAT REVSHARE!
NOTHING, In the long term you always come out on top.

[PornHero]

I think both PPS and revshare have their merits depending on the traffic and the quality of the revshare site.

For AVS and SE traffic I like using a good revshare with no trial option cuz that traffic seems to recur like a mofo and you know the site will satisfy them with constant updates of quality porn.

For TGP traffic and more experienced traffic I like PPS cuz those surfers seem to be the type of people who get bored easy and like trying out different sites.

Just my

[Zebra]

This debate between Pay Per Signup (PPS) and Revshare could go on forever.

For different people, different sites, and different reasons there is always a different answer.

Working on a tight budget and don't have time to wait for your money? PPS is your best bet, especially if you purchase traffic and need the profits from it to buy MORE traffic to grow.

Bank account look nice and comfy? Don't need the money in a hurry? Revshare may be your best bet. Why take $35 all at once when you can get $40, $50, or maybe even $60+ over the space of several months.

I've done exit traffic deals with most major sponsors and the majority of them prefer PPS deals. They like to plan their budgets out in advance and PPS lets them figure it out better than rev-share. It sucks when you know you are converting 1:100 with a sponsor and figure the recurring income into your budget and then half 60% of the members cancel because the site you were sending to had a lousy members area. Some large sponsors will try revshares if they are friends with the owners or if they feel the site is just too hot to pass up, but most prefer PPS. Just go look at the exits on MaxCash, CEN, Topbucks, Silvercash, CE, etc.. and you will see.

Different niches and pricepoints can also play a major role in deciding between PPS or revshare. Amateur sites based on one girl seem to do better for webmasters on revshare. There usually is not enough content with one girl to keep a member recurring long enough to justify paying $35 for the join. Of course quantity is sometimes not as important as quality and some amateur sites (like tawneestone.com) give the member more personal attention and this can help to keep them recurring longer. This is just a generalization. Some amateur sites pad their members areas with enough stuff to make $35 worth it. Some might make enough off the exits to justify it.
On the other hand, Megasites usually have enough content to keep members happy for a longer period of time and that makes the $35 payout worth it. Since many PPS sites get more traffic than revshares they also usually make decent extra money from the upsells and exits due to the increase volume of traffic. Of course some members may feel that even though the megasite has plenty of content it lacks a personal touch that some smaller sites have and they may not care to stay very long.

There is no CORRECT answer or formula that applies to everyone. The only way to find out what is best for you is to try both and see what works best for you.

[Dildozer]

This thread got the gay after the hatchet was burried

please keep on flaming for entertainment purposes

[BigFish]

Why argue? This argument can be solved mathematically. Excel works wonders in situations like these.

PPS = $40 per trial signup.
RevShare = 80% - 10% (estimated processing fees) = 70%

1,000 signups in any given month:

PPS = $40.00 x 1000 = $40,000 first month.

RevShare variables:

Trial Membership: $4.95 initial.
Monthly charge at site is: $39.99 regular subscription.
Conversion from trial to regular: 30%
Month to Month member retention: 80%

At those rates it took 2 years (24 months) to get $45,206.64.

With interest and investment on the initial PPS $40,000, you would probably have at least that amount in 2 years.

For Revshare you also have to worry about chargebacks AND the sponsor or CC company staying in business for the full 2 years! Big risk these days if you ask me.

[49thParallel]

Hmmm...not sure if it's that simple. I for one switched to Rev-share exclusively after testing all sorts of different approaches over 2 1/2 years. Rev Share does it for me...and as an added bonus..most of the rev share programs offer a much clearer cut and honest sell to the customer. Which is of utmost importance for those of us who don't consider the customer as just "another credit card transaction".

[BigFish]

Originally posted by 49thParallel
Hmmm...not sure if it's that simple. I for one switched to Rev-share exclusively after testing all sorts of different approaches over 2 1/2 years. Rev Share does it for me...and as an added bonus..most of the rev share programs offer a much clearer cut and honest sell to the customer. Which is of utmost importance for those of us who don't consider the customer as just "another credit card transaction".

It IS that simple. It's as simple as 2 plus 2. Webmaster customer service is another argument in it of itself.

[FlyingIguana]

Originally posted by the(G)thang
Yah, thats exactlly what I mean - I been getting good cash with flat rate, no doubt about that - but now that I think about it and review my stats, revshare is the way to go .. I mean sometimes members can stay forever.. Imagine having a member for a full year.. with the program in my sig.. thats like $243US instead of $30 flate rate.. thats an enormous difference.

i still have people recurring from sales made over 2 years ago. one sponsor i don't even promote anymore and i still have people rebilling.

i think its best to mix things up.

[Zebra]

Originally posted by BigFish
It IS that simple. It's as simple as 2 plus 2. Webmaster customer service is another argument in it of itself.

What you smoking dude? There are so many variables that there is no way it is as simple as 2+2.
More like 2+2/4*3+10*34.95/.50

If it was a simple 2+2 equation there would be a shitload more bigger programs.

[jayeff]

There is no one answer to this issue, whether supposedly proved by mathematics, logic or any other means.

There could only be a single answer if every sponsor had the exact same income and expenses and gave out the exact same share of their cut. Every site would need to retain at the same rate. Every site would need the same volume and quality of traffic, etc, etc.

As soon as any major variable changes, not least how hard a sponsor actually wants to sell the site that initially receives the traffic, the picture changes for the affiliate: regardless of the basis on which he/she is to be paid.

So we never get to compare like with like, thus even what we perceive as logic is likely flawed. For example, I go along with the generally popular view that TGP surfers are cheapskates, so I often point them at trials that offer me a generous one-time payment. It seems reasonable enough, but is it really the best option?

The bottom line is that I have no way to know. I can switch to a no-trial recurring sponsor. But if the results are different, let's say worse just for illustration, is that because this type of sponsor is a bad idea or because the particular sponsor I chose was a bad idea? Maybe my traffic sources changed. Maybe I just didn't get the sales pitch right. There is no way that I can reach any useful conclusions about the question of one-off payments vs. recurring income.

This topic has been around for years. If there were a convincing proof, it would have surfaced a long time ago.

[BigFish]

Originally posted by Zebra


What you smoking dude? There are so many variables that there is no way it is as simple as 2+2.
More like 2+2/4*3+10*34.95/.50

If it was a simple 2+2 equation there would be a shitload more bigger programs.

There's only 2 speculative variables: The trial to membership and the month to month percentage of members staying. The other variables are facts. Maybe it's more than a 2 plus 2 problem to you. Did you even look at my post before you replied? This is a mathematical problem, nothing else. So if you're just simply replying by speculative comments, then you've already lost the argument.

[drops]

[ronin]

ok KK, who won the hockey game?

[stocktrader23]

Originally posted by tha_timinator



kimmykim,

I get your point - don't see what could be wrong in your numbers and percentages BUT, as mentioned before: if this is reality, how can PPS even exist today?!?
sponsors aren't charity so at the end of the day the PPS sponsor needs to have some profit left. this means his cash in is actually more than the $300 that flowed out... which means recurring should be making more than pps on the long term, because the sponsor is earning its money on a recurring basis as well!!

conclusion: your recur-percentages are to pessimistic - recurring occurs during a longer period and/or the percentage of the trials that buy the full month is higher than 35%.

just my

if you have other clues, i'm very curious...

tim

ho ho ho. Ok, when you are on revshare you get roughly half. When you are paid on a signup the company already paid you so they keep it all. The same math put on the site owners end adds up to alot more than your end.

[Kimmykim]

My math stands. And what a good hockey game.

[quiet]

Originally posted by Kimmykim
My math stands. And what a good hockey game.

who was playing?

[Kimmykim]

Originally posted by quiet


who was playing?

The Redwings fucked up the Coyotes. Of course there were more wings fans than the home crowd...

[quiet]

Originally posted by Kimmykim


The Redwings fucked up the Coyotes. Of course there were more wings fans than the home crowd...

Nice. I'm just happy that the Oilers (my home team) will make it into the playoffs. Even after trading our #1 point scorer a couple of days ago...

[Kimmykim]

Yeah we dumped our team yesterday for some draft picks in a new stadium no one will go to. There is about one more year of hockey left in Phx and that will be it.

[Kimmykim]

I'm off to bed, but I'll be back to do basic geometry tomorrow.

And quiet, do you think you could be bothered to email me? I'd like to speak with you and Backov's not feeling well so I don't want to bug him for your email... sales @ spotbrokers.com will do the trick

[Lensman]

I think the guy who started this thread would have A LOT more credibility if he wasn't spamming in the program in his sig.

[Lensman]

Sig fixed. If you change it back before this thread dies, I'll ban your ass.

[BritishTwinks]

Guys, stop making it so bloody complicated. If the site you're promoting is good and you don't mind waiting for your money, you'll usually get more from a revshare. If the site is disappointing inside or you're in a hurry for your cash, per sign up will work out better.

We pay 80% or up to $44 per sign up, by the way!

[Kimmykim]

Originally posted by Lensman
I think the guy who started this thread would have A LOT more credibility if he wasn't spamming in the program in his sig.

Damn you Lens, now you let them all in on why I bothered to do that math.