Revshare is better than FlatRate Programs

[the(G)thang]

I been with a flat rate program for 3 months now and I have been also using a 60/40 revshare program for the exact same time. From the revshare I made $3/$20/$20/$20 a total of $63.. and more to come per signup. Out of the 34 signups I had, only 8 were canceled. My ratios hovered around 1:100-1:150. I think that revshare is the way to go for everyone, its a long term solution.

[Interlude]

Agreed, especially if you're getting paid by a reliable third party that isn't going to run off with your money.

[chupacabra]

Agreed, especially if you're getting paid by a reliable third party that isn't going to run off with your money.

so, any program using WSB, we should definitely go for the flat-rate program..

[the(G)thang]

Yah, thats exactlly what I mean - I been getting good cash with flat rate, no doubt about that - but now that I think about it and review my stats, revshare is the way to go .. I mean sometimes members can stay forever.. Imagine having a member for a full year.. with the program in my sig.. thats like $243US instead of $30 flate rate.. thats an enormous difference.

[the(G)thang]

Program in my sign uses, Epoch Systems - they are great and reliable.

[cash69]

If you want rev share i'll give you 80/20 rev share for life... epoch sign ups... login straight to processor so no worrying about shaving... Let you see the members area first so you can see how it will retain to your traffic.. icq me at 116337464

[Mutt]

doesn't matter, most of the big traffic controlled by the big boys will always go to the other PPS players. not totally sure why since in the long run you can make more money promoting revshare sites?

Cashflow - if you yourself are paying out huge amounts of money on a per signup basis, you can't be waiting around 4 months to get paid from others, crossing your fingers that this or that third party processor isn't going to go through some of the problems you read about every day here. PPS programs pay out from their own $$$.

your post is self-serving since you seem to be involved in a revshare only program.

[Kimmykim]

Somehow those numbers don't add up for me

Let's say you've got a pay per join of 30 bucks. You get paid on trials. You do 10 sales. Thats 300 bucks.

Then you've got a recurring. You also do 10 sales at 5 bucks per trial with a 35 dollar rebill. And you get 50%. So you have now collected 2.50 x 10 (if you arent getting stuck with processor fees on half), making 25 dollars so far.

Now 35% (the industry average on a good day any more) of those people take the full month... so that's 3.5, hell we'll say 4 -- at 17.50 for you. That's what, 70 more dollars? So you are at 95 bucks now.

The second month, of those 4 people, let's be generous and say that 2 recur. so thats another 35 for you.

We are now 64 days into this process and you've got a whopping 130 coming at you.

When you'd have had 300 right off the bat on pay per join...

Correct my math if I am wrong, by all means.

[the(G)thang]

I think that a good revshare program has to have an amazing members area. I mean if you want customers to keep paying every month you have to have enougg content to keep them satisfied. Pimp Dollars members area is amazing, I have seen it and they have all they promise in their free previews.

[cash69]

Originally posted by Kimmykim
Somehow those numbers don't add up for me

Let's say you've got a pay per join of 30 bucks. You get paid on trials. You do 10 sales. Thats 300 bucks.

Then you've got a recurring. You also do 10 sales at 5 bucks per trial with a 35 dollar rebill. And you get 50%. So you have now collected 2.50 x 10 (if you arent getting stuck with processor fees on half), making 25 dollars so far.

Now 35% (the industry average on a good day any more) of those people take the full month... so that's 3.5, hell we'll say 4 -- at 17.50 for you. That's what, 70 more dollars? So you are at 95 bucks now.

The second month, of those 4 people, let's be generous and say that 2 recur. so thats another 35 for you.

We are now 64 days into this process and you've got a whopping 130 coming at you.

When you'd have had 300 right off the bat on pay per join...

Correct my math if I am wrong, by all means.

what the fuck

[DrewKole]

Originally posted by Kimmykim
Somehow those numbers don't add up for me

Let's say you've got a pay per join of 30 bucks. You get paid on trials. You do 10 sales. Thats 300 bucks.

Then you've got a recurring. You also do 10 sales at 5 bucks per trial with a 35 dollar rebill. And you get 50%. So you have now collected 2.50 x 10 (if you arent getting stuck with processor fees on half), making 25 dollars so far.

Now 35% (the industry average on a good day any more) of those people take the full month... so that's 3.5, hell we'll say 4 -- at 17.50 for you. That's what, 70 more dollars? So you are at 95 bucks now.

The second month, of those 4 people, let's be generous and say that 2 recur. so thats another 35 for you.

We are now 64 days into this process and you've got a whopping 130 coming at you.

When you'd have had 300 right off the bat on pay per join...

Correct my math if I am wrong, by all means.

Thats why you don't promote non-unique sites or sites with a trial.

[Kimmykim]

Originally posted by cash69



what the fuck

Eye opening to actually do the math now isn't it?

[the(G)thang]

Kimmykim, you are totally wrong.
I mean stupid newbie webmasters think oh yah.. $35/join WOW!!!! WHAT A DEAL!!
Well the person who owns the program and gives the $35 has to make money somehow doesnt he.. how else would he make money if his members didnt pay him on monthly basis. I mean the owner of the program.. makes $4 on trial.. its impossible that he looses $31.. how else would he make money.. by the same members he already paid you for paying him on monthly basis

[Kimmykim]

Originally posted by the(G)thang
Kimmykim, you are totally wrong.
I mean stupid newbie webmasters think oh yah.. $35/join WOW!!!! WHAT A DEAL!!
Well the person who owns the program and gives the $35 has to make money somehow doesnt he.. how else would he make money if his members didnt pay him on monthly basis. I mean the owner of the program.. makes $4 on trial.. its impossible that he looses $31.. how else would he make money.. by the same members he already paid you for paying him on monthly basis

Dude, I am NOT wrong.

And you do not want to go head to head with me on this one. I've been in this business for years, I've seen the numbers on the site side, the processor side, and back to the site side again.

It's entirely possible to pay out 35 dollars a join without stealing or shaving on the equation I ran thru above, IF your entire business is optimized.

[gripcash]

Originally posted by the(G)thang
I think that a good revshare program has to have an amazing members area. I mean if you want customers to keep paying every month you have to have enougg content to keep them satisfied.

I agree. I think most programs that offer a choice between revshare or upfront pay try to balance the two so they're basically equal (factoring in things like average customer retention). Nobody can do this perfectly though. If the members area is really good, retention will be better, and revshare might be worth more money.

But when you compare the two, you have to realize that money today is worth more than future money. And that revshare is a lot riskier (in that sponsors can lie about the retention, go out of business, etc.)

[hyper]

okay so turn it all around

the website operator ends up fucking over the webmaster
because he cant recoup the loss by paying out per signup

the website operator pays out $300
but then only gets $130
if what you say is true..

think about that!

[SleazyDream]

Originally posted by the(G)thang
Kimmykim, you are totally wrong.

mistake #1

[the(G)thang]

Hehe Kimmykim you are a really funny person, I thought you worked for CCBill. You work for ccbill and you are saying to me not to promote revshare programs because they are not profitable? Umm.. So what do you think of the all your custumers?, You just use them for their fees. Everybody shaves.. how else would they make moeny. The only programs that dont shave is the revshare ones - because they go through billing companies which wouldnt even wanna get involved in the process of shaving.

[hyper]

Originally posted by the(G)thang
Hehe Kimmykim you are a really funny person, I thought you worked for CCBill. You work for ccbill

do your homework first
mistake #2

[Cindyff]

Thats exactly why we signed with http://www.busty2.com .... 60/40 program. Our SE traffic dose very well with them .

Cindy xx

[Kimmykim]

You know if you can keep this thread going til I get back from the hockey game it will be a miracle.

I have not worked at CCBill since June of last year, for starters.

I currently own spotbrokers.com with Backov and am contracted to market epassporte.com... among other things.

I am still waiting on you to prove me wrong from a mathematical standpoint.

I don't want to hear about people losing money, good member areas, and all that stuff.

I want to see you prove it with some hard numbers that can be supported by an average of what the business is today.

The ball is in your court, I'll be back later.

[the(G)thang]

Im still going with revshare all the way, you cant go wrong with a profesionnal billing company like ccbill, epoch and others. RevShare is THE only long term solution to success, because you can squeeze every penny your customer is good for - thats the way to do business. I mean think of it this way.. would you rather have someone buy bread at your store once a month, or 30 times a month. Its a very simple issue.

[DrewKole]

Originally posted by the(G)thang
Im still going with revshare all the way, you cant go wrong with a profesionnal billing company like ccbill, epoch and others. RevShare is THE only long term solution to success, because you can squeeze every penny your customer is good for - thats the way to do business. I mean think of it this way.. would you rather have someone buy bread at your store once a month, or 30 times a month. Its a very simple issue.

You sir, are a fucking idiot.

This whole thread is a lame attempt by you to get some referral cash from promoting other members to pimpdollars.

Want some brutal honesty? I doubt if those sites recur even 35%. They look like prepackaged garbage.

Heavy recurrings come with exlusive content, or extremely nice content updated atleast 4 times a week.

Don't piss with Kimmy, because not only will she berate you, you'll have a pack of some of the biggest assholes in this industry after you as well, including Sleazydream and I.

I can pretty much guarantee you won't make over $35 a signup on garbage recurring sites... Unless the members are morons.

Sites like Triplexcash, Lightspeed, DormAngels, those are the recurring you should promote, those will and do retain well.

I'm doing about 75% recurring right now, I charge jack shit for membership though, and I deal with my members on a 1 on 1 basis, and have exclusive content... I imagine when I up the price next week, I'll drop to 65-70%, we'll see.

I suggest you reply with, sorry, I'm wrong. Any other response will just upset me even more.

[playa]

KimmyKim i see where you comming from but no one ever said that partnership programs makes quick money,

I tell everyone that it usually takes around 3 months of daily signups, after that you can almost feel like you own the paysite
There really isn't a get rich quick type with partnerships. it just takes alot of patience and dedication

Plus not that i am saying that all Per sign up sponsors shave but generally you have better conversions with partnerships,

[the(G)thang]

Dear DrewIdiot,
You are an Idiot, Im sorry to say but you can lick my hairy ass.
Listen tell your mother to come over tonight so we can discuss her sons behaviour - fucking brat. Who the fuck are you to say that LightSpeedCash, TripleXcash and whichever other fucking company u mentioned are better than the one Im trying to promote. How the fuck do you know how much members it retains, if you had access to the members area you would shut the fuck up.

Anyways DrewIdiot, Go Fuck Yourself!

[the(G)thang]

Yah playa is totally on topic. Like I said no one can test a partnership program with a good members area. Its best to try it out for yourself jsut like I did, FOR ME the partnership program made 2/3 more than a regular flat rate program in a 3 month period. I wanted to get some opinions on this, and I did - DrewIdiots opinion doesnt count cause just like his name says - he is an idiot.

[DrewKole]

Originally posted by the(G)thang
Dear DrewIdiot,
You are an Idiot, Im sorry to say but you can lick my hairy ass.
Listen tell your mother to come over tonight so we can discuss her sons behaviour - fucking brat. Who the fuck are you to say that LightSpeedCash, TripleXcash and whichever other fucking company u mentioned are better than the one Im trying to promote. How the fuck do you know how much members it retains, if you had access to the members area you would shut the fuck up.

Anyways DrewIdiot, Go Fuck Yourself!

Damn you're clever newbie. =)

Who's to say that the members area is better? Me, I'm the one to say, thanks. =)

Do you really want to ball with me? How long have you been in the industry son, you should know better. =)

Call me DrewIdiot all you want, and your emoticons don't phaze me one bit.

[hyper]

the guy is an idiot.. but a newbie idiot ..
and he just wants some referral cash.. like alot of people here

now i am personally working with mike at pimpdollars.com
to get his sites to convert and to boost customer retention.

I already had him implement 100% on exits, because why should he get paid on your traffic?

I am also having him set up hosted galleries for the TGP Owners, the templates are being professionally done as we speak.

I also am having him give every webmaster that promotes his sites free access to the members area because

1. you'd be surprised at the number of webmasters that have never been inside a paysite.

2. You can sell better if you know what the member is getting.

Dont forget the Freedom Fries promotion i set up an extra 10% thru the end of the month.

So you can promote the guys like dormangels and lightspeed but you should try him if you have time.. remember diversity is key.

any ideas or changes you'd like to see you can icq me @ 27199455 and i'll see what i can do for you

thats enough on this topic

[hyper]

the(G)thang

http://www.newbiewebmasters.com/show...&threadid=4437

pay attention to the part about burning your bridges

[DrewKole]

Originally posted by hyper
the guy is an idiot.. but a newbie idiot ..
and he just wants some referral cash.. like alot of people here

now i am personally working with mike at pimpdollars.com
to get his sites to convert and to boost customer retention.

I already had him implement 100% on exits, because why should he get paid on your traffic?

I am also having him set up hosted galleries for the TGP Owners, the templates are being professionally done as we speak.

I also am having him give every webmaster that promotes his sites free access to the members area because

1. you'd be surprised at the number of webmasters that have never been inside a paysite.

2. You can sell better if you know what the member is getting.

Dont forget the Freedom Fries promotion i set up an extra 10% thru the end of the month.

So you can promote the guys like dormangels and lightspeed but you should try him if you have time.. remember diversity is key.

any ideas or changes you'd like to see you can icq me @ 27199455 and i'll see what i can do for you

thats enough on this topic

Good to hear... =)

Im biased in regards to non-exclusive recurring sites though... I haven't had success in the past few years with em... maybe others have, ;)

[the(G)thang]

1st of all Im not a newbie, but I dont like to be called an idiot as well. So yah I apologize DrewKole, got ticked off their for a second because you were right about the part that Im trying to get some refferal signups. Anyways yah, this thread was supposed to be 5 or 6 replies but turned out to be 30. I just wanted to let everyone know that Pimp Dollars is a great program and Im doing great with them, and like hyper mentioned Mike is a great webmaster to work with. Sorry to anyone who got offended, and thanks for those precise numbers KimmyKim.

[NetRodent]

Earlier in this thread (or perhaps another) someone mentioned that they saw a difference in their conversion when promoting per Signup vs. Revshare. They got more signups on Revshare and fewer on the Signup plan. They alluded that they thought this was a sign that their sponsor was shaving.

Its more likely that the sponsor was prequalifying the per signup traffic. On Revshare the risk is split between the sponsor and the affiliate, so there's little reason not to accept every possible transaction. On a per Signup plan, the sponsor might be not be accepting signups from people who are more likely to cancel during the trial. This prequalifiying might be based on the country the traffic is from, whether or not the person's address info makes sense (ie does their zipcode match their state, does their ip address match their country), or even whether or not the surfer has joined any of the sponsors sites before.

We have some members who are habitual trial takers. There's one guy in particular from Italy who has taken 18 trial memberships to one of our clubs and I don't think he's ever rebilled. Since we generate most of our traffic ourselves, its not much of an issue for us. However, if our affiliate program played a larger role in our business, you can be sure we would figure out a way to deny a person like that from signing up when referred by a per signup affiliate.

Different conversion rates are not necessarily a sign of shaving. The best way to test whether signup or revshare is best, is to run the same traffic to each program and see which one works best for your traffic on a particular sponsor.

[SleazyDream]

Originally posted by DrewKole


You sir, are a fucking idiot.

ahhh, young one - you are learning very well

[playa]

Originally posted by NetRodent

Its more likely that the sponsor was prequalifying the per signup traffic. On Revshare the risk is split between the sponsor and the affiliate, so there's little reason not to accept every possible transaction. On a per Signup plan, the sponsor might be not be accepting signups from people who are more likely to cancel during the trial. This prequalifiying might be based on the country the traffic is from, whether or not the person's address info makes sense (ie does their zipcode match their state, does their ip address match their country), or even whether or not the surfer has joined any of the sponsors sites before.

call it what you want but thats shaving

also some of them don't pay for check sign ups

[the(G)thang]

I don't even wanna get into shaving cause than I will get all the Pay Per Signup Program owners that visit GFY on my ass...

[NetRodent]

Originally posted by playa


call it what you want but thats shaving

also some of them don't pay for check sign ups

Its only shaving if they accept the transaction, collect money, and don't pay the affiliate. If they don't let the person signup its not shaving.

[the(G)thang]

I agree, but than the sponsors should notify their webmasters that a deal of this sort is happening. So their webmasters have a choice either to stay with the sponsor or go to someone who accepts foreign traffic or whatever traffic. I mean if they dont notify us(webmasters) than thats considered cheating and being dishonest. This makes the sponsors very sleazy.

[bikinihouse]

Originally posted by DrewKole


You sir, are a fucking idiot.

This whole thread is a lame attempt by you to get some referral cash from promoting other members to pimpdollars.

Want some brutal honesty? I doubt if those sites recur even 35%. They look like prepackaged garbage.

Heavy recurrings come with exlusive content, or extremely nice content updated atleast 4 times a week.

Don't piss with Kimmy, because not only will she berate you, you'll have a pack of some of the biggest assholes in this industry after you as well, including Sleazydream and I.

I can pretty much guarantee you won't make over $35 a signup on garbage recurring sites... Unless the members are morons.

Sites like Triplexcash, Lightspeed, DormAngels, those are the recurring you should promote, those will and do retain well.

I'm doing about 75% recurring right now, I charge jack shit for membership though, and I deal with my members on a 1 on 1 basis, and have exclusive content... I imagine when I up the price next week, I'll drop to 65-70%, we'll see.

I suggest you reply with, sorry, I'm wrong. Any other response will just upset me even more.

You sir, are the biggest moron of all. Have you even tried using Pimpdollars? lol

Probably not, that's why you talk garbage. They actually work out pretty damn good.

Before you make dumb assumptions, at least provide some backing to what you say. Otherwise you look like a pathetic moron. Specially to the people that heavily promote pimp (mike).

[Mutt]

Originally posted by Cindyff
Thats exactly why we signed with http://www.busty2.com .... 60/40 program. Our SE traffic dose very well with them .

Cindy xx

why don't you just come out and admit you work for LegalPictures and Busty2. It's the same fucking owners and YOU are employed by them so stop this ridiculous charade where any chance to work those two operations into a thread you do it under the guise that you are independent of them and just can't speak highly enough of them.

cuz believe me, NOBODY not involved in a company, would suck up that much.

[DrewKole]

Originally posted by bikinihouse


You sir, are the biggest moron of all. Have you even tried using Pimpdollars? lol

Probably not, that's why you talk garbage. They actually work out pretty damn good.

Before you make dumb assumptions, at least provide some backing to what you say. Otherwise you look like a pathetic moron. Specially to the people that heavily promote pimp (mike).

Sorry you're right...

Can I still hit you up to figure out how you made that $83?



Go ahead, post your recent results, or shut the fuck up. Thank you kindly

[the(G)thang]

Peace in the thread my sibblings, god is looking over us - lets not diss each other up please..

[DrewKole]

Originally posted by the(G)thang
Peace in the thread my sibblings, god is looking over us - lets not diss each other up please..

God doesn't have time to read through GFY... thats a proven fact.

[bikinihouse]

Originally posted by DrewKole


Sorry you're right...

Can I still hit you up to figure out how you made that $83?



Go ahead, post your recent results, or shut the fuck up. Thank you kindly

Sure.

Catch me on ICQ.

It just pisses me off when you bad mouth a program, no need. Specially when I know it works well.

[NetRodent]

Originally posted by DrewKole


God doesn't have time to read through GFY... thats a proven fact.

What are you talking about? I even posted in this thread already.

[the(G)thang]

[Ray@TastyDollars]

Originally posted by the(G)thang
I been with a flat rate program for 3 months now and I have been also using a 60/40 revshare program for the exact same time. From the revshare I made $3/$20/$20/$20 a total of $63.. and more to come per signup. Out of the 34 signups I had, only 8 were canceled. My ratios hovered around 1:100-1:150. I think that revshare is the way to go for everyone, its a long term solution.

Cool sig, you mind telling us what program we are signing up to. Really!



Ray

[DrewKole]

Originally posted by bikinihouse


Sure.

Catch me on ICQ.

It just pisses me off when you bad mouth a program, no need. Specially when I know it works well.

So much for fucking sarcasm... blah

[TheDoc]

Just for the sake having to explain this, the trial program will still earn over 3500 it will just take more signups so the 4+ month recurring rates kick in and start making more. Trial programs on recurring are much more risky than a $35-$40 program unless you have super productive traffic.


($4.95 trial, $39.95 membership, 65% recurring)
100 signups X $35 = $3500

100 signups X $3.22 = $322
35 rebills x $25.97 = $909
65% rebill monthly 23 X $25.97 = $597
50% rebill monthly 12 X $25.97 = $312
25% rebill monthly 3 X $25.97 = $78

$2228 / 7.5% = $2927

Now take...
($29.95 a month membership, 65% recurring)
100 signups X $35 = $3500

100 signups x $19.47 = $1947
65% rebills monthly 65 x $19.47 = $1266
50% rebills monthly 32 x $19.47 = $623
25% rebills monthly 8 x $19.47 = $156

$3992 / 7.5% = $3693
The flat rate monthly signup will earn well over $35 a signup. Only down side is normally your ratios arnt as good but you could make a ton more money.

My math could be wrong today, I have been up for 30 hours.

[Toker]

RVS has been going down more lately that a 3 buck whore on payday...

[bikinihouse]

I personally love revshare programs for the sake of long term. They kickass.