GothicSluts.com & BarelyEvil.com partner content

[AmeliaG]

We are working on goodies for http://www.SpookyCash.com/ and I was wondering what sort of partner content expert webmasters would want most. Our primary thing is just unusual girls and high end photography, but I was wondering about other attributes you might like to see. For example, hardcore, softcore, BBW, slim, shaved, fuzzy, fetish, leather, pvc, latex, bondage, watersports, redhead, blonde, brunette, teen, tattoo, piercings, blasphemy, girl/girl, boy/girl, solo, etc. With tens of thousands of images to choose from, I'm having a little trouble picking. Of course, of problems to have, that one is okay, but I would love it if I could get some feedback from you all. And, hey, we are always shooting new work, so if you've got massive traffic, maybe we'll do something special with you in mind.

--Amelia G

[gothweb]

Your best bet will be to start with content that is pretty central to your style. Don't worry about BBW, etc. until you have a few good sets of your standard stuff up. The content that most accurately represents the site is going to convert the best.

[Brujah]

Scar
Mrs Augustine
Raven
Verotika

[AmeliaG]

Originally posted by gothweb
Your best bet will be to start with content that is pretty central to your style. Don't worry about BBW, etc. until you have a few good sets of your standard stuff up. The content that most accurately represents the site is going to convert the best.

I feel like I could almost throw a dart at my computer and come up with a good representative set, but I'm trying to whittle it down. Don't forget I've been doing this for more than a decade and our catalog of images is huge. Kinda too huge for stuff like this. How many sets do you think are good to put out there? I know you put a high percentage of your site-specific sets out as partner content, but I would worry that people would feel they already saw it all and conversions would be low. What are your thoughts on that issue? I know everybody has an opinion on giving away the milk to entice people to buy the cow. But how much milk?

[gothweb]

I don't put out too high a percentage. I have about 10,000 original images on my sites, and offer only a handful of sets. I would reccommend using only a few sets, preferably recent ones... Decade-old photos may not be the best choice.

[AmeliaG]

I thought you took example shots from all your sets. Is that not how the samplers work? I shoot a few times a week every week, so I know if I took just one shot from each set, from just the ones posted so far, it would be enough content to launch an entire pay site all by itself. And with the raging tgp vs tgp2 etc debate going on, I'm not sure that would be such a good idea. Or maybe it would be great to really showcase everything. Of course, if I were sure which made sense, I wouldn't need to post the question.

[gothweb]

Originally posted by AmeliaG
I thought you took example shots from all your sets. Is that not how the samplers work? I shoot a few times a week every week, so I know if I took just one shot from each set, from just the ones posted so far, it would be enough content to launch an entire pay site all by itself. And with the raging tgp vs tgp2 etc debate going on, I'm not sure that would be such a good idea. Or maybe it would be great to really showcase everything. Of course, if I were sure which made sense, I wouldn't need to post the question.

Nope. My sites have one small sample from all recent sets. My promo content is a cycling group. I have a best-of set for each site, as well as single or multi-set packs of each girl. I can't imagine giving away as much as you're talking about.

[Nysus]

Originally posted by AmeliaG

I feel like I could almost throw a dart at my computer ....

I know everybody has an opinion on giving away the milk to entice people to buy the cow. But how much milk?

Throw the dart!

Also, it is up to your webmasters how they use the content. If you provide 50 sets with a unique aspect to them, then depending on how good of a webmaster he is, he'd use a few. Though, some webmasters aren't so talented and then stick 3 whole sets on a gallery page and saturate it to 2000 tgps...

Cheers,
Matt

[AmeliaG]

Originally posted by gothweb


Nope. My sites have one small sample from all recent sets. My promo content is a cycling group. I have a best-of set for each site, as well as single or multi-set packs of each girl. I can't imagine giving away as much as you're talking about.

For me, it would still be a smaller percentage of the overall. But I guess it has been quite a while since I last looked at your members area. At that time, I was kinda surprised to realize how many of your sets you were giving away. But that was a few months back.

But, really, does anyone have suggestions on secondary niches they would like to see as partner content? Hardcore, softcore, BBW, slim, shaved, fuzzy, fetish, leather, pvc, latex, bondage, watersports, redhead, blonde, brunette, teen, tattoo, piercings, blasphemy, girl/girl, boy/girl, solo, etc. Some of you all who do large scale tgp submitting or running, AVS, etc. must have an opinion.

[gothweb]

Keep in mind that what I have on my own previews isn't the same as what I make available to my webmasters.

Quite a while ago, I had a few small samples from quite a few sets at a time. Now, it's quite a bit less than that, and seems to be converting very well.

(Speaking of which... I'm curious how you got my conversion ratios to make that claim in your sig... Internet "marketing" rears its ugly head. )

Check out my affiliate site. You will be able to see what I offer my affiliates. Obviously, just because you have more content doesn't mean you should offer any more, so yeah, the percentage will be lower.

[AmeliaG]

Originally posted by gothweb
Keep in mind that what I have on my own previews isn't the same as what I make available to my webmasters.

Quite a while ago, I had a few small samples from quite a few sets at a time. Now, it's quite a bit less than that, and seems to be converting very well.

I was basing my thoughts on what I saw available to webmasters vs. what I saw on the inside of your members area. I also regularly get contacted at http://www.GothicSluts.com/ by surfers who want reassurance before they join that the site has content they have not seen already and has more on-topic content than they have come to expect from other experiences they have had online. That is a lot of why I feel so strongly against promoting any site which does not deliver what it promises.

(Speaking of which... I'm curious how you got my conversion ratios to make that claim in your sig... Internet "marketing" rears its ugly head. )

Well, it is sort of a woman's intuition thing. Pretty recently, you told me how much traffic you get and how much it fluctuates. You told me how much money you make in a month. I figured out what the maximum conversion on that would be with a best case scenario if every sale was a low dollar trial. That pesky math thing. Voila: http://www.GothicSluts.com/ and http://www.BarelyEvil.com/ are the best-converting sites in the niche and webmasters who promote http://www.SpookyCash.com/ should do well. I just want to make sure I give them the right tools to support serious affiliate webmaster efforts.

Check out my affiliate site. You will be able to see what I offer my affiliates. Obviously, just because you have more content doesn't mean you should offer any more, so yeah, the percentage will be lower.

[Honeyslut]

I snagged the name gothsin.com . Is that cool ?

[gothweb]

Originally posted by Honeyslut
I snagged the name gothsin.com . Is that cool ?

Not a bad domain. What you going to use it for?

[AmeliaG]

Originally posted by Nysus


Throw the dart!

Also, it is up to your webmasters how they use the content. If you provide 50 sets with a unique aspect to them, then depending on how good of a webmaster he is, he'd use a few. Though, some webmasters aren't so talented and then stick 3 whole sets on a gallery page and saturate it to 2000 tgps...

Cheers,
Matt

You are right. I should probably just throw the dart. I think the thing is more that I feel like all the photographs are my babies and I worry about sending them off into the big bad world.

Do you think I should maybe have some sort of requirement on which webmasters can use which content or how much or when they get access or something? I do special stuff already sometimes, but I have not had general partner content in the past and I have noticed that some programs have traffic minimums and that sort of thing.

[Fletch XXX]

If you want more control of your content, which is smart, since your content is good, simply offer more hosted galleries than giving out content.

Its very popular amongst programs now, and its easy on affiliates as well.

Give out content, but you can make hosted galleries for days that affiliates, including myself would use.

Keeps the content on your hands, and doesnt even leave your servers.

Simply link to it.

I build them all day for affiliate programs. ;)

[Honeyslut]

Originally posted by gothweb


Not a bad domain. What you going to use it for?

avs stuff for your site and Amelias


se stuff

[ForrestBlack]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX
...simply offer more hosted galleries than giving out content...

That's a fine suggestion Fletch. Thanks a bunch. We had kicked around that idea a while back, but it really does make sense. I'll get on doing some stuff like that and keep you up to date if you are interested. I think partly Amelia was looking for some niche partner content suggestions, rather than squabble with little Ian (who really should take more advice and spout less, given that his sites are doing quite as bad as he claims they are. But that's just my little opinion.)

I really appreciate your support, and Honeyslut's as well. I hope we all do very well together. Take care.

Forrest-

[gothweb]

Woah. I didn't expect such a nasty comment from Forrest. Why so hostile?

[AmeliaG]

I'm sure Forrest didn't mean anything hostile by it. I was just asking for advice when I started this thread. I want to be able to support the webmasters who send me signups the way they want to be supported. So I was really looking for feedback from webmasters who could tell me what they want. You kept responding with what seemed like a sort of condescending tone about what you personally do, only I felt like you were misrepresenting what you do a little bit and I think it looked to Forrest like you were trying to squabble instead of allowing a comfortable thread for informed webmasters to give constructive feedback and requests.

I'm pretty familiar with what other membership site owners, both large and small, do for their affiliates, but I was looking for information from expert affiliates on what they want to get.

Of course, it would not make sense to take advice from someone who is failing, unless they are sharing a wow-do-not-do-this anecdote, but I think I understand that sometimes you just kind of go on and probably don't mean anything rude by it. But it looked to Forrest like you were, not only giving deliberately awful and conflicting advice but being condescending about it. But Forrest was not trying to be hostile, just thanking Fletch for bringing this thread back on topic.

[AmeliaG]

Originally posted by Honeyslut


avs stuff for your site and Amelias


se stuff

That sounds like an excellent idea, Honeyslut. Please e-mail me at [email protected] I've got some ideas for cross-promo for our sites.

--Amelia G

[gothweb]

Gee. Sorry for trying to contribute to the thread, and for not realizing you would have woefully inaccurate understanding of what I personally do. I was giving honest advice, trying to be helpful. I guess now I know what you guys think of me.

[AmeliaG]

Knock yourself out and let me know what you think I did not understand if you like, but what I do not understand is why you are trying to pick some kind of personal fight here.

[ForrestBlack]

Originally posted by gothweb
Woah. I didn't expect such a nasty comment from Forrest. Why so hostile?

Hey Ian, I just caught up with this thread again. I honestly didn't intend to be nasty or particularly hostile at all. I'm sorry if you took it that way. Although, it does look like your reaction is a bit stronger or overly sensitive anyway for someone who posted as many snarky comments at us in this thread. I guess it doesn't go both ways huh? It really did look to me like you were trying to pick a fight, maybe I was wrong. If I had intended to be nasty or hostile, I'm certain I could do better than that, and most of your friends will confirm that notion, but again, I wasn't trying to burn you with that opinion.

Forrest-

[fnet]

information can't remember where it came from without a stack frame. (& alienation doesn't have that problem.)

[AmeliaG]

Originally posted by fnet
information can't remember where it came from without a stack frame. (& alienation doesn't have that problem.)

[gothweb]

I wasn't trying to start a fight. I am sorry you got that impression. I initially tried to answer your question, and then felt like I needed to defend my own policies against your gross misunderstanding of them.

The first I realized anyone saw this little thread as a squabble was when Forrest called me "little Ian" and suggested I not "spout" advice. I don't intend to squabble. If I had anything against you, I wouldn't have offered you advice at all. Apparently, you don't have a lot of respect for me, so in the future I won't bother.

[Captain Evil]

Originally posted by ForrestBlack


Hey Ian, I just caught up with this thread again. I honestly didn't intend to be nasty or particularly hostile at all. I'm sorry if you took it that way. Although, it does look like your reaction is a bit stronger or overly sensitive anyway for someone who posted as many snarky comments at us in this thread. I guess it doesn't go both ways huh? It really did look to me like you were trying to pick a fight, maybe I was wrong. If I had intended to be nasty or hostile, I'm certain I could do better than that, and most of your friends will confirm that notion, but again, I wasn't trying to burn you with that opinion.

Forrest-

Dude, that was a full frontal attack if I ever saw one.

[Brujah]

It just wouldn't be a good GFY thread if it didn't go Off-Topic. And of course, it just wouldn't be a gawth thread at all if there wasn't a dispute of some sort. They don't get to be emo for nuthin'.

[Captain Evil]

Originally posted by Brujah
They don't get to be emo for nuthin'.

You're getting your genres mixed up.

[Brujah]

Originally posted by Captain Evil
You're getting your genres mixed up.

Don't be confused about what I said. You'd be kidding yourself if you didn't think multiple subcultures didn't intertwine.

[Captain Evil]

Originally posted by Brujah


Don't be confused about what I said. You'd be kidding yourself if you didn't think multiple subcultures didn't intertwine.

Nazi skin intertwines with traditional skin. Traditional skin intertwines with hardcore. Hardcore intertwines with sharp skin.

Now, go call a nazi skin a sharp skin (or vice versa) and see what happens.

They may intertwine, but that does not make them the same.

[Brujah]

Originally posted by Captain Evil
They may intertwine, but that does not make them the same.

And yet, it's perfectly ok to call some gawths emo.. if that's how they're acting. Especially if they're gawther than thou.

[Captain Evil]

Originally posted by Brujah


And yet, it's perfectly ok to call some gawths emo.. if that's how they're acting. Especially if they're gawther than thou.

That's like saying you can call all women emo.

[Tala]

I have www.freakmanor.com

This is useable, and I wanted to use it for a goth girl site. Right now it's a fetish site. (AVS)

[Brujah]

Originally posted by Captain Evil
That's like saying you can call all women emo.

Did you write some fucking book called the "politically correct gawth" or "subcultures for dummies" ?

I'm not saying I applied it to all women, you did. I'm not even saying I'm applying it to all goths. You assumed that. I said if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, I'll fucking call it a duck even if it's a dog. Ok, Mr Emo ?

[Captain Evil]

Originally posted by Brujah


Did you write some fucking book called the "politically correct gawth" or "subcultures for dummies" ?

I'm not saying I applied it to all women, you did. I'm not even saying I'm applying it to all goths. You assumed that. I said if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, I'll fucking call it a duck even if it's a dog. Ok, Mr Emo ?

How exactly was my remark politically correct?
(in other words: that was a joke, stupid)

[AmeliaG]

Originally posted by gothweb
I wasn't trying to start a fight. I am sorry you got that impression. I initially tried to answer your question, and then felt like I needed to defend my own policies against your gross misunderstanding of them.

The first I realized anyone saw this little thread as a squabble was when Forrest called me "little Ian" and suggested I not "spout" advice. I don't intend to squabble. If I had anything against you, I wouldn't have offered you advice at all. Apparently, you don't have a lot of respect for me, so in the future I won't bother.

So, uhm, what did I misunderstand? Are you distressed that Forrest called you little when you have stated that as fact in hundreds of threads on this board? Or did I personally actually misunderstand something?

[AmeliaG]

Originally posted by Brujah
It just wouldn't be a good GFY thread if it didn't go Off-Topic. And of course, it just wouldn't be a gawth thread at all if there wasn't a dispute of some sort. They don't get to be emo for nuthin'.

Spoken with some true understanding of how to analyze subcultures. Sigh. Maybe I should just start a new thread on the original topic. I know if I had a double amputee trannie bukkake site and I wanted to request some Gothic double amputee trannie bukkake pictures to promote http://www.SpookyCash.com/ I might feel uncomfortable posting to this thread at this point.

[Captain Evil]

Originally posted by AmeliaG



So, uhm, what did I misunderstand? Are you distressed that Forrest called you little when you have stated that as fact in hundreds of threads on this board? Or did I personally actually misunderstand something?

I think partly Amelia was looking for some niche partner content suggestions, rather than squabble with little Ian (who really should take more advice and spout less, given that his sites are doing quite as bad as he claims they are. But that's just my little opinion.)

Am I missing something or was that just a rather offensive remark, as much in wording as in intent?

[Honeyslut]

Originally posted by Brujah


Don't be confused about what I said. You'd be kidding yourself if you didn't think multiple subcultures didn't intertwine.

yep.. There's a goth balloon fetish site that does well..

[AmeliaG]

Originally posted by Captain Evil


Am I missing something or was that just a rather offensive remark, as much in wording as in intent?

If you read through this thread from the beginning, I think there may have been the intent to provoke Forrest or me. However, I did not make that remark, but I was accused of misunderstanding something.

I want to know from the person who claims I misunderstand him what I supposedly misunderstood.

--Amelia G

[Captain Evil]

I am already starting to regret my move to this niche.

[gothweb]

Originally posted by AmeliaG



If you read through this thread from the beginning, I think there may have been the intent to provoke Forrest or me. However, I did not make that remark, but I was accused of misunderstanding something.

I want to know from the person who claims I misunderstand him what I supposedly misunderstood.

--Amelia G

Without looking at my sites, you assumed I gave away a great deal of content. I offerd you advice, and you seemed more concerned with what you imagined I do. You also seem to assume I was trying to lead you astray, which I find simply bizarre.

[AmeliaG]

Originally posted by Captain Evil
I am already starting to regret my move to this niche.

Honestly, I've been publishing this sort of erotica since my teens. I did magazines for years before I got into doing sites. I love that the sites mean that people who enjoy my work can see whole photo shoots, rather than the few pictures which can fit in a magazine. I love that the internet gives me creative freedom. I think http://www.SpookyCash.com/ could provide some excellent additional income to someone who already promotes other programs or to someone who has a very on-topic site they are doing already because they love it. If a webmaster wants to upsell Gothic sites, I believe that http://www.SpookyCash.com/ is going to convert better for them than any other program. That said, if you don't love the niche, it is not worth making it your focus. I am lifestyle committed and, when a simple question blows up into an irritating thread like this, it sometimes makes me feel oogie about the whole thing.

--Amelia G

[gothweb]

Amelia (and Forrest)--

I don't want to fight or bicker with you. I don't even want to fight about whether I want to fight, though I admit that I've tried too hard to defend myself.

I think we've misunderstood eachother. You asked for advice, and I swear to you that I just answered your question to participate in the discussion. I am sorry if you thought it was about anything else.

From there, I did and up arguing somewhat with you. You said a few things about how much content I offer, including something about offering part of every single set. I don't do that, so I tried to clear up your misunderstanding.

The closest thing to hostility I felt was when I questioned your pretty broad claim about being the best converting program. However, I wasn't bent out of shape over it, just picking on a pet peeve of mine.

So, I am sorry if you thought I was picking a fight. I am more than sorry, if you think I would mislead you by giving you bad advice. I am not that kind of guy, and I figured you already knew that.

I am sorry you think this thread has "blown-up". I am disappointed in the sniping directed at me, and the lack of respect that it illuminates. However, this is just a single small thread on an informal message board. It sounds like things got out of hand, and I see no reason for either of us to worry overmuch over it. I still respect your work and your sites, and you have no reason to feel threatened by me.

[AmeliaG]

Originally posted by gothweb


Without looking at my sites, you assumed I gave away a great deal of content. I offerd you advice, and you seemed more concerned with what you imagined I do. You also seem to assume I was trying to lead you astray, which I find simply bizarre.

Oh, for crying out loud. I looked at your sites. YOU PERSONALLY GAVE ME A PASSWORD TO YOUR SITES. I was not assuming. I was basing my information on what I personally had observed. I helped you promote your program. I am well aware of how much of your content is original and how much of that you were giving away before you sold out to dark dollars. Perhaps that has all changed since last I looked and I said earlier that that could be the case. What I did not say is that that seems unlikely, given that you say you skipped updating any of your sites for more than a month.

This is exactly like you asking where I got your conversion ratios, when (a) you essentially gave them to me by stating your $$ and your traffic and (b) you posted information to this board such that anyone else could also come pretty close and (c) I've promoted your program, so I know it does not sell as well as others, such as say http://www.SpookyCash.com/ You constantly talk about how you are the little guy, but you are trying to start WWIII because Forrest repeated what you have been saying all along.

--Amelia G

[gothweb]

Originally posted by AmeliaG



Oh, for crying out loud. I looked at your sites. YOU PERSONALLY GAVE ME A PASSWORD TO YOUR SITES. I was not assuming. I was basing my information on what I personally had observed. I helped you promote your program. I am well aware of how much of your content is original and how much of that you were giving away before you sold out to dark dollars. Perhaps that has all changed since last I looked and I said earlier that that could be the case. What I did not say is that that seems unlikely, given that you say you skipped updating any of your sites for more than a month.

This is exactly like you asking where I got your conversion ratios, when (a) you essentially gave them to me by stating your $$ and your traffic and (b) you posted information to this board such that anyone else could also come pretty close and (c) I've promoted your program, so I know it does not sell as well as others, such as say http://www.SpookyCash.com/ You constantly talk about how you are the little guy, but you are trying to start WWIII because Forrest repeated what you have been saying all along.

--Amelia G

Amelia, you really need to calm down.

[Libertine]

this thread is whack

[Brujah]

New Thread New Thread!

[ForrestBlack]

Originally posted by Captain Evil
I am already starting to regret my move to this niche.

Well, Gothic people do tend to be kinda cranky. I think it's the lack of sunshine or something. But, the girls and boys are sexy and adventurously kinky, so that kinda makes up for it. Besides, the sites we all promote aren't really about snitty tiffs, they focus on thy importand stuff.

That's what sells memberships anyway.

Forrest-