Promoting Rape

[Hooper]

Programs gaining from this sick fuck at fetishcash.com ( http://www.ahoga.com/consoles/2/201....id=1&id=fc4553 )

include:
silvercash
pornkings
babenet
platinumbucks
porncash (shock)
maxcash
gamma (another shocker.. not)
cybererotica
python video
trafficcashgold

i'm sure there are other sponsors on there that i dont recognize.

but do you really want to get traffic from a webmaster who is willing to promote "Rape" in the same console that he promotes you?

[Hooper]

Wow.. somebody is a sick bastard.

Why not post your comments if you believe rape is ok?

[Exxxotica]

...because when a woman says "no" she really means YES!!!

[playa]

yep rape is bad,,very bad

[Exxxotica]

All of those sites use that console? Dam, that's fucked up.

[ControlThy]

Anyone promoting rape should be put in jail just like those sick CP people.

[Hooper]

Well.. it would be bad business to say that all of those sites use that console because they do not..

but all of those sites are *promoted* from that console.. and in large part those same sponsors are probably sending some traffic back to the sick rape promoting fuck, which means that he gets additional traffic back into his console from most of those same sponsors.

I dont claim to know the individual business relationships, so I certainly cant claim that i know whether or not they send knowingly.

Some of those sponsors are good business partners of ours.. most of them dont know about his business practices and we care about them which is why i bring it to their attention here... however i have a daughter, and cant tolerate the implication that rape is *ok* for even one moment.

[eroswebmaster]

Hooper
Internet Entrepeneur

Registered: Jul 2001
Location: A Free America
Posts: 550

I love this coming from pornographer who has "A Free America" as his point of location in his profile.

What regarding freedom of speech do you not understand?

I'm sure I'll take some heat for this...but I'm a big boy I can handle it.

I do not condone rape/rape fantasies nor do I push it in any of my galleries or on any of my sites etc.

But our first amendment rights are not there just to protect speech that you agree with, but more importantly speech you do not agree with.

The finger you point and wag at your fellow webmasters who cross that imaginary taboo line pale in comparison to the ones that most of society is pointing and wagging at you.

[ControlThy]

Originally posted by Hooper

Some of those sponsors are good business partners of ours.. most of them dont know about his business practices and we care about them which is why i bring it to their attention here... however i have a daughter, and cant tolerate the implication that rape is *ok* for even one moment.

Have you contacted and informed your business relations of this situation? In private I might add..

[ControlThy]

Originally posted by eroswebmaster


The finger you point and wag at your fellow webmasters who cross that imaginary taboo line pale in comparison to the ones that most of society is pointing and wagging at you.

That doesn't mean this industry needs to make itself look worse than it already does.

[deallus]

Is it ok to promote rape? Maybe if you are sick and love watching women being betten up.

But not me even if the money is right (Maybe)

Rape is wrong . very wrong.

[Hooper]

We've done our best to contact those in private.


and regarding the freedom of speech bro above..

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that imaginary taboo
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problem is that its not *ok* to promote *anything*... murder, child porn, rape, etc.. etc.. there are many felonys that are not simply a matter of *opinion* but rather one of law.

I am not saying that you do not have the right to fantasize about any subject.. however when you begin publishing links claming to offer photographs of illegal acts you change the game.

[eroswebmaster]

Originally posted by ControlThy


That doesn't mean this industry needs to make itself look worse than it already does.

My point is take a look at your own lives.

What we do is not acceptable by any means in most peoples eyes.

We are morality terrorists in the eyes of a large portion of our populace.

Most people believe that what we do, even softcore contributes to rape and degredation of women.

So in other words, pull out the 2x4 in your own eye before trying to pull out the splinter in your brothers.

And if you don't understand that one...he who lives in a glass house should not throw stone.

But still it all boils down to the point that we have a first amendment that protects such ugly things.

Do I like it, no, but it's what protects me and you as well. So I'll die fighting for it as so many others already have.

As long as it's considered legal, it's protected by free speech.

[Hooper]

Its guys like you that are the problem.

The 1st ammendment does not protect your right to promote rape, child porn, terrorism or muder... if you believe otherwise, then please make sure never to promote our programs.


The gigantic, humongous, magnificent difference is that everything we (we being most people on this board) promote legal consensual sexual acts between adults, not forced acts (e.g. rape).

You're standing up for a good principal, but in the wrong way.

[eroswebmaster]

Originally posted by Hooper
We've done our best to contact those in private.


and regarding the freedom of speech bro above..

--
that imaginary taboo
--

problem is that its not *ok* to promote *anything*... murder, child porn, rape, etc.. etc.. there are many felonys that are not simply a matter of *opinion* but rather one of law.

I am not saying that you do not have the right to fantasize about any subject.. however when you begin publishing links claming to offer photographs of illegal acts you change the game.

Rape fantasy is not illegal.

The link says "Fisting and Rape pics."
Now granted no mention of fantasy, but I have not seen any mention of anything "illegal" either.

[eroswebmaster]

Originally posted by Hooper
Its guys like you that are the problem.
.

No...it's guys like you that are the problem.

#1 I don't wish to promote your programs.

#2 don't start throwing in the modern day trigger words like child porn and/or terrorism and lump it in with what I'm discussing...RAPE FANTASY...not RAPE in order to try and work a frenzy up on the boards.

because before you know it...the cattle will be here calling people child molesters and such...LOL

#3 RAPE FANTASY is not ILLEGAL.

Once again I do not condone it, nor do I promote it...my point is and always will be as long as it's a legal fantasy, nothing illegal happens and it's not ruled obscene it is protected by the first amendment...that is something you cannot deny.

[Hooper]

i dont care if its fantasy or not.

those who promote it will get none of my traffic because i dont hide behind what is *legal* to promote and what is *right* to promote.

bottom line is that it doesnt indicate any fantasy.. and the image promoted along with the link does not indicate that either.

i liked the guy that ran the program and the *only* reason i even saw the links was because we intended to do some biz & i was just checking out his consoles to see who was in them.

when i saw the rape link i was blown away.

[Hooper]

Also.. what the fuck ever made "fisting" and "rape" similar activities?

I mean. seriously.. fisting is consensual.. its just kinda hardcore.... while rape is non-consensual by nature, no matter what is involved.

I bet you would think differently about rape *fantasy* if you had ever been bent over & fucked against your will.

[drunkdollars]

Hooper I think this stuff is gross but I also think there are women and men whos fantasys involve simulated rape and if they are performed by consenting adults then so be it.


There are far worse things on the net.. ie kiddy P, Beastialty etc etc..


I can not judge what folks get off on.. If its simulated then it is their right to do .

There is however the theory that these sites could promote real acts of violence.. I am not a phychiatrist but I would be curious to know the studies and results found on the matter.

[eroswebmaster]

Originally posted by Hooper
i dont care if its fantasy or not.

those who promote it will get none of my traffic because i dont hide behind what is *legal* to promote and what is *right* to promote.

bottom line is that it doesnt indicate any fantasy.. and the image promoted along with the link does not indicate that either.

i liked the guy that ran the program and the *only* reason i even saw the links was because we intended to do some biz & i was just checking out his consoles to see who was in them.

when i saw the rape link i was blown away.

#1 that's the issue here...you don't care whether it's fantasy or not...so it's a matter of opinion...not legal fact.

#2 What is legal and what is right...good point...well taken...once again an opinion...not legal fact...and something I too abide by.
Because underage model sites are legal...does not mean I'll promote them...nor will I promote rape/scat/watersports/ among a few other things mainly because I find them disgusting.

#3 I already posted that the image does not say rape "fantasy" and that's an issue that can easily be corrected, but deduct style points on the wm for pushing the envelope.

#4 I understand exactly how you feel. You have the right to do biz with who you see fit I do not hold that against you.

[ControlThy]

I would not associate myself with certain types of "legal" content, because that is my free choice.

I also have a right NOT to do business with people that do associate themselves with certain types of content.

Agreed, those large sponsor names should not in anyway support the use of terms like "rape", it reflects bad on their online reputation.

[eroswebmaster]

Originally posted by drunkdollars

There is however the theory that these sites could promote real acts of violence.. I am not a phychiatrist but I would be curious to know the studies and results found on the matter.

Well that's what they've been saying about Playboy and Penthouse for many years.

[DarkJedi]

Hooper can i have that DVD player when you get it ?

[eru]

if the rape is simulated, then who gives a fuck -- stop whining.

if it is real then we have problem.

[drunkdollars]

Originally posted by eroswebmaster


Well that's what they've been saying about Playboy and Penthouse for many years.

Like I said im not a phychiatrist I would like to know if there were any proven cases..

[Hooper]

eroswebmaster..

i believe we have gotten off track.

the question was not *is it ok to rape depending upon whether it is real or fake*

the question was *is it ok to promote rape* and largely the question was targeted towards a specific picture/text link.

That link/image show do not indicate any type of fantasy.. and while i believe wholeheartedly that rape is wrong i do believe in the rights of anybody to fantasize about anything they want.

We at GFY however are not supreme court justices and do not need to debate the finer points of the laws... we are webmasters and should feel free to judge.

[DarkJedi]

beast is wrong too - yet many people promote it ?

[eroswebmaster]

Originally posted by Hooper
eroswebmaster..

i believe we have gotten off track.

... we are webmasters and should feel free to judge.

No I was never on track with your question...I was busy judging you on your statements

[eroswebmaster]

Originally posted by DarkJedi
beast is wrong too - yet many people promote it ?

I always make sure my dog models show at least 2 forms of id's and sign a model release...and we never promote or push Kitty Porn.

[drunkdollars]

Hooper is your icq on?

[ControlThy]

Originally posted by drunkdollars
Hooper is your icq on?

Are you stalking Hooper? ;-)

[RogerV]

we do not Promote Rape in any way.

I am totally against any violence or rape for that matter.

So when a sponsor sends me traffic how am I suppose to know where its coming from. Is my question?

So what I am saying is I don't agree with alot of shit thats out there or even what we do sometimes but if its legal who am i to judge. what peoples interest are.
I didn't even know fetishcash had a rape site till now.

Hooper Whats your take on Celeb sites, teen sites etc.?

How does one get away with doing a celeb site?

[Hooper]

roger, dont dodge the question..

i pointed out a simple fact which is that you are accepting traffic from fetishcash via a console that promtes rape.

i like ya bro.. i just find it hard to believe that you would respond in any way except for condemning that type of promotion.

if you believe that rape promotion is wrong (we are not here to talk about celebs because that is a thoroughly different discussion, and one in which clickfeel has no involvement) then you should say so and stop accepting traffic from rape promoters.

if however you believe that rape promotion is right, you should voice your opinion as a rape promoter and stand behind it no matter what may come of it.

I didnt judge you.. i simply pointed out that you are one of many sponsors on the console.

[tree]

Originally posted by DarkJedi
beast is wrong too - yet many people promote it ?

whats wrong with a little goat lovin??? its mutual

[RogerV]

what about TGP sites that don't require any age verification to view the pics and now videos? how many sponsors get traffic off of TGP sites?


When will we get a handle on that and start to censor the pics
which would increase conversions and get the Gov off our back.

Hoop I luv you man but please don't associate Pornkings with Rape in the same sentence or post.
we are totally against it if it were real. but where do we draw the line is the question to alot that goes on.

Some people might miss understand your poll thats all.

I'm sure everyone is against rape at least I sure hope so!

[tree]

rape can be funny



image donald duck raping porky pig...thats funny!

[Torimoto]

This thread is too much.

Gary (or whoever) comes out with a site where women get beaten with bats or something like that and everyone thinks it's great and pats him on the back.

The bum guys pay homeless people with no fucking money to beat each other just for fun. Everyone thinks it wonderful.

Max Hardcore videos show models screaming in what seems like pain all day long. Max is a hero.

But it's wrong to promote totally fake rape fantasies, which many women have?

Some of you people should not be in porn.

You should quit adult and become a priest or a christian coalition member or something else.

It's fantasy.

What about murder in movies? Do you think that should be illegal too?

What about violent video games?

Should we burn all of the books that contain murder or rape too?

Your propaganda is way too much in this thread.

"Rape promoter" - yes, and video game and movie makers are "murder promoters" right?

You sound like Elizabeth fucking Dole.

It's called free speech, look it up.

[RogerV]

Originally posted by Hooper
roger, dont dodge the question..

i pointed out a simple fact which is that you are accepting traffic from fetishcash via a console that promtes rape.

i like ya bro.. i just find it hard to believe that you would respond in any way except for condemning that type of promotion.

if you believe that rape promotion is wrong (we are not here to talk about celebs because that is a thoroughly different discussion, and one in which clickfeel has no involvement) then you should say so and stop accepting traffic from rape promoters.

if however you believe that rape promotion is right, you should voice your opinion as a rape promoter and stand behind it no matter what may come of it.

I didnt judge you.. i simply pointed out that you are one of many sponsors on the console.

I understand now I didn't even know about it till now.
But I will speak to fetishcash about it and have him remove it if possible.
does he have a site for it or was it just a link with rape pics pointing to us?

I will look into it.

I get traffic from all those sponsors It is impossible to know where all the traffics coming from.

[Hooper]

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Hoop I luv you man but please don't associate Pornkings with Rape in the same sentence or post.
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Roger... the problem is that *I* am not associating you with it.

*FETISHCASH* is associating *RAPE WITH PORNKINGS* by promoting your web sites and *RAPE* links along side eachother.

I thought that i was doing you a favor by pointing out that you were being promoted next to such activities.

I'm quite sure that I'm the least popular fellow of the day because i'm pointing it out.

Sorry.. call me moral.. call me a daddy.. but i have a real problem with those who promote or sponsor what might encourage somebody to be physically agressive/dangerous towards my daughter (e.g. rape).

[Hooper]

Sorry if our last 2 posts crossed.. i'll be damned if great minds dont think alike.


It's always good to do business with you Roger cause i can always tell that you are a man of honor.

[Hooper]

*Note to self...

Send our fetish traffic to http://www.freefreeprogram.com instead of that other fucker.

We'll be replacing his link with yours tomorrow.

[RogerV]

I understand I'm not always praised for my posts

The thing is if I ban a webmaster for what your saying
I might as well ban everyone since I don't know what people have on there consoles when they send me traffic.

We are totally against any illegal activities but we need to start at the root of it all.

and figure out where that line stops you know what I mean.

BTW what are you doing up this late anyway

[eroswebmaster]

Originally posted by Hooper

I thought that i was doing you a favor by pointing out that you were being promoted next to such activities.

Hey man maybe an email next time might be better...no sense in possibly hurting the reps of reputable people who may not have known someone was pulling this kind of crap.

It's not like there aren't cheaters in this industry.

[Jak]

Would you be so kind as to remove "A Free America" from your location profile?

Thanks.

Jak

[Hooper]

Originally posted by Jak
Would you be so kind as to remove "A Free America" from your location profile?

Why is that?

Are you one of those people who believes that "free" means "free to do whatever the fuck i want to, whomever i want, whenever i want".. or are you a realist who realizes that "free" means "free to say what i want, when i want, to whom i want so long as it doesnt physically harm them" ?

I'm curious what you truly believe designates freedom.


And to answer your ?? eros.. yes.. there are more effective ways of contacting sponsors. but there are also less effective ways of changing problems.

[Hooper]

I recall one of my law professors making a very good comment:

"Your rights end where my nose begins".

Quite insiteful if you take a moment to think about it.

[Torimoto]

Hooper what do you think about these sites

http://www.totalcatfights.com/
http://www.bumfights.com/
http://www.bumbang.com/
http://www.rockstargames.com/
http://www.eminem.com/
http://www.sonymovies.com/
http://www.amazon.com/

Should they all be shut down for promoting rape and murder and theft and drugs and other immoral activities that you and the church don't approve of?

[RogerV]

Originally posted by Hooper
Sorry if our last 2 posts crossed.. i'll be damned if great minds dont think alike.


It's always good to do business with you Roger cause i can always tell that you are a man of honor.

I hear ya i have a baby on the way and it might be a girl

Shit the sites I just launched are kewl niche's like
hotamericanbabes and hiphopwhores

we do not have any sites that are a fine line other than like teen sites and such.
we are to high profile to have to worry about it. I plan on sticking around for a long time.

and yea send me some traffic.

[Hooper]

Originally posted by Torimoto
Should they all be shut down for promoting rape and murder and theft and drugs and other immoral activities that you and the church don't approve of?

You belong to some pencil selling cult dont you? I only say this because you seem to feel that discussing activities *outside* of the realm of the discussion in some way relates to the discusson.

The question is/was abouy *rape*.. and rape only. If you want to talk about me shoving my foot up your nose during anal intercourse for $5.00 you should really start a different thread.

[Torimoto]

Originally posted by Hooper


You belong to some pencil selling cult dont you? I only say this because you seem to feel that discussing activities *outside* of the realm of the discussion in some way relates to the discusson.

The question is/was abouy *rape*.. and rape only. If you want to talk about me shoving my foot up your nose during anal intercourse for $5.00 you should really start a different thread.

You either do or you don't support shutting down sites that promote fantasies of illegal activities.

Do you think that Gary's site, where girls beat each other, should be shut down?

Take a stand or don't bother.

Rockstar games has some of the most popular games on the market right now and they promote extreme violence and bad morals.

Do you approve or not?

Don't pretend this has nothing to do with this thread.

You came here wanting to be the moral policeman who can decide which fantasies are right and which ones are wrong. You started this, now stand up for what is right, even if you have to piss off big people like Gary and the Bum Fights guys. They are promoting violence, right?

If you really believe that people shouldn't be allowed to fantasize about illegal activities, then say so. Otherwise, why did you post this thread in the first place?