Does PPS really work?

[shuki]

Great read indeed

[Eservices2k3]

No it doesn't. Sell your program immediately!

[Pornwolf]

10,000 sign-ups total = payout: $350,000
10,000 sign-ups X 500 uniques = 5 million hits

60% trials = 6,000 trials X $4.95 = $29,700
40% full month = 4,000 full X $39.95 = $159,800

30% trial convert = 1,800 full X $39.95 = $71,910

1st month members = 5800
2nd month members = 2610 @ 55% drop X $39.95 = $104,269
3rd month members = 1174 @ 55% drop X $39.95 = $46,901

Total: $412,580 - 12% processing = $363071


10% of sign-ups is an xsale = $10 per sale = $10,000
50% of the traffic will see the exit, 1:3000 convert to view rate X $35 per sale = $29166

New Total: $402237 profit of = $52237
Still have longer-term retention; e-mails, hope to god better exit results, up sells, and a mixture of other areas pps programs make money. Some don't pay on checks, web900, etc.. Some say they do, but don't. Type-in traffic from webmaster screwups or just for whatever reason.. And a mixture of other BS that paysites can earn income with.


Some programs can run PPS with no xsales and much lower exit rates, as long as retention is good. First off "MOST" programs have a 20% trial to convert rate. 30-35% isn't easy to his these days. 45% month to month, isn't bad, not what most PPS programs sit at.



Fact is, you CAN run a PPS program, and not shave. Well my math could be off some
A good, no bs, recurring program, will crush a PPS in payouts though.. Joins are worth $80-$120 on average.. Do you want $35ps or $40-$60+ after a split.. Invest over time, or instant return. The above math is $36 per join value just after 3 months. Long-term retention would put it over $80 a join. Earning you more than a PPS program. I have to admit though; it needs to be a good revshare system.

I've been in the biz for 7 years now and I have found this to be very true.

[bigdog]

Yeah, I'm glad you bumped it. This is a classic thread. Probably one of the top 5 ever on this board.

This is one of the best threads ever, should be bumped every couple months

[Pornwolf]

This is one of the best threads ever, should be bumped every couple months

Yeah. We need to do another one at the end of the year since I'm sure a few things will have changed.

[bigdog]

Yeah. We need to do another one at the end of the year since I'm sure a few things will have changed.

Yeap the doc should revise his numbers from what he has seen of late

[polish_aristocrat]

this was a very good thread

I wonder how much of it is still valid today

[Snake Doctor]

this was a very good thread

I wonder how much of it is still valid today

Alot of things have changed in the biz since this thread was started.

Hell I make over $40 per join on some revshare programs with trials nowadays, so I have no doubt that people can pay out that much PPS easily.

[BucksMania]

This is one of the best threads ever, should be bumped every couple months

okay
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[slapass]

After this thread, I am surprised to see that PPS is paying more now and not less. What changed?

[polish_aristocrat]

After this thread, I am surprised to see that PPS is paying more now and not less. What changed?

good question

[thebossxxx]

I posted my analysis on another thread...just wanted to start a new thread since that started to shift off of the original topic.

So the question and the discussion is, Does PPS really work?

See for yourself and lets discuss.

JasonandAlex.com Program Analysis

bottom line is you need exclusive content to fuck with croiss sales and nw video updates to keep your members retained! then throw your spreadsheet out the window! lol

We are hiring our pps to $40 bucks in NOV and we gave ben in business on the net less than 2 years!

WE HAVE DONE THE MATH!
RETENTION IS THE KEY! Crosses upsells ARE GRAVY!

[polish_aristocrat]

12-27-2004

but cross sales are slowly dying I think...

[dailyduke]

exactly, type in traffic is almost pure profit. Nas offers you the ability to check profit and loss per affiliate, you can determine if that traffic is real.

Me I prefer rev share, not as big of a take on the upfront, but... in the back end (which is what my g/f prefers) it can be more profitable. I have seen DP affiliate take their 25-30 PPS and walk, I have also seen some who continue to make sales month after month and never send traffic again.

I guess it is personal prefeence on how you payout and how you like to promote and get paid!
Good job on demonstratign though that over time it does work providing you have the stats to support the payout.