gun control

[Grapesoda]

good night guys...

[slapass]

The fact that you think the govt listens to you because of your guns is laughable. The best countries in the world are operated without the constant threat of violence on all sides.

[Acepimp]

Did gun murders go down in Australia after the gun grab? Yes.

And now they have more robberies, burglaries, & violent crime.

[Rochard]

Native Americans didn't have firearms? Since when?

https://www.thedailybeast.com/native...stole-that-too

[InfoGuy]

Guns don't kill people. People kill people. The problem is not guns. Criminals will get guns illegally even if they're banned. Banning guns will only take them away from ordinary citizens who want and deserve to protect themselves. The problem that should be addressed IS mentally unstable people WITH guns. The problem will get progressively worse with mentally unstable people who have access to guns and abundant legalized marijuana.

Pay attention to people with serious mental health issues, get them the medical help they need, take away their guns, rescind legalization of marijuana and the number of massacres will subside.

[onwebcam]

rescind legalization of marijuana and the number of massacres will subside.

I was with you until this

Those damn legal dispensaries are shooting up towns with their turf wars

[InfoGuy]

I was with you until this

Those damn legal dispensaries are shooting up towns with their turf wars

Marijuana is a gateway drug that leads people to more serious addictions with meth, crack, cocaine, heroin, etc...

[2MuchMark]

Hey Acepimp. By all means, keep getting your "facts" from Internet Memes. God forbid you should actually lift a finger to do some research and make yourself sleepy.

[sarettah]

rescind legalization of marijuana and the number of massacres will subside.

Things that make you go wtf?

I was with you until this

Those damn legal dispensaries are shooting up towns with their turf wars

Fuck, don't make it so I have to agree with you. Dammit.

But yeah, I am wondering where he is getting a link between Marijuana usage and increased violence.

Marijuana is a gateway drug that leads people to more serious addictions with meth, crack, cocaine, heroin, etc...

Birth is a gateway drug... yadda yadda yadda. Wibble.

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[BaldBastard]

Did gun murders go down in Australia after the gun grab? Yes. And now they have more robberies, burglaries, & violent crime.

You have no idea do you, guns were never a defence here, hand guns and owning a gun for "protection" was never allowed. They were never legal to stop robberies, burglaries, or violent crime.

The state I'm in NSW has 915,000 registered firearms, 7.5 million population, so 1 in 8 people own a gun..

Gun laws were never about taking peoples guns away, they were about getting rid of old guns that end up on the black market, and ensuring guns don't get into the hands of those that shouldn't have them.. people like yourself I'd believe. The laws also strengthened how guns should be stowed, registered.

Getting a gun here is a privilege, not a right, and there's the major difference to the USA. Vast majority of citizens here want stricter guns laws than we already have.

[kane]

Marijuana is a gateway drug that leads people to more serious addictions with meth, crack, cocaine, heroin, etc...

Actually, no it isn't. Especially when it is legal. Even the National Institute on Drug Abuse says it is not.

[kane]

Most people who want stricter gun control laws don't want guns banned, they just want a system put in place to make it harder for those who are mentally ill or violent to get guns.

[Acepimp]

Marijuana is a gateway drug that leads people to more serious addictions with meth, crack, cocaine, heroin, etc...

Hey InfoGuy- this is only the case BECAUSE it was made illegal. When it's only in the black market is when the buyers are exposed to the hard drug pushers. Get some info

[Vendzilla]

People are so ready to give up rights they dont agree with, idiots all.

[Acepimp]

Hey Acepimp. By all means, keep getting your "facts" from Internet Memes. God forbid you should actually lift a finger to do some research and make yourself sleepy.

^^^ Triggered by facts

[starling]

I was with you until this

Those damn legal dispensaries are shooting up towns with their turf wars

Much like guns in the hands of people with no issues marijuana doesn't really do harm but it can have adverse effects on people who are bipolar or schizophrenic. Just like how millions of people can have caffeine with no issue but it can make the manic side if bipolar disorder much worse.

[MFCT]

To understand gun violence and crime (the recent Florida school massacre, for example), a great analogy is to understand bullies.

The typical bully acts as a bully because they feel they're in a guaranteed win situation, or at least a guaranteed extreme advantage situation. Someone with a gun in a tightly-crowded area of people with no guns, well the person with the gun is at an extreme advantage. Free to kill anyone, everyone, or as many as they possibly can...all on a whim.

Here's the thing about the typical bully, though. When put in a fair confrontation, the bully becomes terrified. The bully will shit bricks when he realizes he's in a fight where the outcome is not pretty much guaranteed. For example, his crew of friends who are normally there to step in and help him win any fight, are no longer there and he's in the situation completely on his own. Bullies detest being in a situation where they don't have a guaranteed win.

The same analogy works with gun violence. In the video below, 3 armed men break into a woman's house. Guaranteed win, right? They're free to rob her, beat her, gang rape her to death, torture her to death, basically whatever their whim at the moment happens to be.

What they didn't expect, though, is that the woman happens to be a gun owner. Well, there's still 3 of them and their 3 guns, verses her and her one gun. Still a great advantage, right?

Wrong. Back to the bully analogy, the outcome is suddenly no longer guaranteed. Even though the 3 criminals with guns outnumber her, the confrontation is still too equal for them to even want to be in the situation anymore. As badass and hardcore as they were only seconds before, they run around like cartoon characters or the 3 Stooges or the Marx Brothers. They're simply terrified and are shitting bricks at the very thought of being in an even somewhat fair confrontation.

Don't take my word for it. Watch this original home security video. See for yourself.



https://youtu.be/hFRP2N0g47I

Now with all this in mind, I beg you to lobby your state representatives for stricter gun control to get firearms out of the hands of people like this woman. She actually ended up killing one of those helpless men. Who knows what contributions he would have made to society, had this woman not so callously snuffed out his life.

Hillary 2020, 4 more years!

[thommy]

Did gun murders go down in Australia after the gun grab? Yes.

And now they have more robberies, burglaries, & violent crime.

before you copy and paste such a nonsense make yourself wise about the restrictions in switzerland to own a weapon.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Switzerland

2. don´t compare people of a real democratic country in which every citizen is not only well informed but also has political responsibility with the US.

if you do not kniw it yet, I will tell you that in switzerland are no lawmakers.
politicians can´t decide for NOTHING. the voters decide it nearly every month.

here a few famous public votes from the past:

speed limit on streets - voted yes
lowering taxes - voted NO
increasing minimum wages - voted NO
increasing holidays - voted NO
decreasing VAT - voted NO
tightening the weapons laws - voted YES
Promotion of renewable energies and nuclear phase-out - voted YES

i could tell you a few hundred more but it would not make you wiser and you would still not understand why this country is (with all it´s immigrants) in best condition.

[Sarn]

good night guys...

Yeah government will protect you. Trump will care about liberals

[NewNick]

Marijuana is a gateway drug that leads people to more serious addictions with meth, crack, cocaine, heroin, etc...

So....

Would that not mean that beer is a gateway drink ?

And if we banned beer then we would solve all forms of addiction starting with alcoholism ?

[NewNick]

good night guys...

Ok so you are against gun control of any kind right ?

Even though the recent school shooting (as are most similar acts) carried out using legal weapons.

So what about a couple of suggestions :

a) Raise the age that you can buy or posses a gun to 21.

I mean come on - you can buy and own an AR15 but you cannot order a beer ?

b) Make it mandatory to have a mental health cert to buy / own a gun.

You cannot hold a driving licence unless you are in full control of your mind, but you can own / buy as many AR15s as you want ?

Just trying to bring a couple of sensible suggestions to the table.....

[EonBlue]

a) Raise the age that you can buy or posses a gun to 21.

b) Make it mandatory to have a mental health cert to buy / own a gun.

Yes to both.



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[Vendzilla]

Ok so you are against gun control of any kind right ?

Even though the recent school shooting (as are most similar acts) carried out using legal weapons.

So what about a couple of suggestions :

a) Raise the age that you can buy or posses a gun to 21.

I mean come on - you can buy and own an AR15 but you cannot order a beer ?

b) Make it mandatory to have a mental health cert to buy / own a gun.

You cannot hold a driving licence unless you are in full control of your mind, but you can own / buy as many AR15s as you want ?

Just trying to bring a couple of sensible suggestions to the table.....

That's stupid, just who will be the judge of someones mental stability? Since more people die from malpractice, maybe you want a doctor in charge?

[bronco67]

Guns don't kill people. People kill people. The problem is not guns. Criminals will get guns illegally even if they're banned. Banning guns will only take them away from ordinary citizens who want and deserve to protect themselves. The problem that should be addressed IS mentally unstable people WITH guns. The problem will get progressively worse with mentally unstable people who have access to guns and abundant legalized marijuana.

Pay attention to people with serious mental health issues, get them the medical help they need, take away their guns, rescind legalization of marijuana and the number of massacres will subside.

We don't need to ban guns. It just should be as hard as possible to get. That may inconvenience good owners (and I may be one of them in the future), but it should be an acceptable inconvenience.

It may not stop every shooting like we saw this week because if someone really wants to get a gun they'll find a way, but making the process super rigid could sway a couple of killers to scrap their plan because they don't want to put in the effort. Why make it easy for them?

[Grapesoda]

Native Americans didn't have firearms? Since when?

https://www.thedailybeast.com/native...stole-that-too

Richard the American Indians were considered a stone age tribe until the late 1860's stone age tribes usually don't have a lot of guns.

[Grapesoda]

Ok so you are against gun control of any kind right ?

Even though the recent school shooting (as are most similar acts) carried out using legal weapons.

So what about a couple of suggestions :

a) Raise the age that you can buy or posses a gun to 21.

I mean come on - you can buy and own an AR15 but you cannot order a beer ?

b) Make it mandatory to have a mental health cert to buy / own a gun.

You cannot hold a driving licence unless you are in full control of your mind, but you can own / buy as many AR15s as you want ?

Just trying to bring a couple of sensible suggestions to the table.....

you started your question to me by reading my mind. not sure I can comment after that

[Grapesoda]

Guns don't kill people. People kill people. The problem is not guns. Criminals will get guns illegally even if they're banned. Banning guns will only take them away from ordinary citizens who want and deserve to protect themselves. The problem that should be addressed IS mentally unstable people WITH guns. The problem will get progressively worse with mentally unstable people who have access to guns and abundant legalized marijuana.

Pay attention to people with serious mental health issues, get them the medical help they need, take away their guns, rescind legalization of marijuana and the number of massacres will subside.

here is the deal on that, it's easier to take civil rights away from some gun owners than most of the population by checking if they are fucking crazy. that IS A HUGE civil right violation

[pimpmaster9000]

the solution is simple: ban schools!

[thommy]

That's stupid, just who will be the judge of someones mental stability? Since more people die from malpractice, maybe you want a doctor in charge?

and what ?

don´t you have a doctor in charge to get a driving license ?
don´t you need one if you want to drive taxi ?
don´t you need a medical test when you are working in a kitchen?
what about military ? they usually have weapons - no doctor in charge ???

maybe you should think first and post after !

[NewNick]

you started your question to me by reading my mind. not sure I can comment after that

Couple of basic questions that you side stepped there.

Raise the age to 21, and prove you are sane before you can own or buy a gun.

Do you think either of those is a good idea ?

If not, why not ?

[NewNick]

That's stupid, just who will be the judge of someones mental stability? Since more people die from malpractice, maybe you want a doctor in charge?

Stupid to expect to live in a society where the insane cannot own and buy guns ?

Or stupid to raise the age to 21 ?

Or will you just say “thats stoopid” to any suggestion whatsoever.

We all know its the latter. Your conditioning is very thorough.

Captain predictable.

[Grapesoda]

Couple of basic questions that you side stepped there.

Raise the age to 21, and prove you are sane before you can own or buy a gun.

Do you think either of those is a good idea ?

If not, why not ?

sure except in farm and ranch areas what are you going to do? the issue is mental health. you CAN NOT treat mental health issues by regulating inanimate objects. that make any sense to you? (when I read that it kill me lol)

it is a total civil rights issue, the guys that want to ban guns will never allow any personally invasive test that would handicap a person or otherwise point out their mental stability... so that the mentally ill can be 'offered treatment' ask rochard if he would take that test...

let me ask you instead, what is the obligation of an individual to society? are we each obligated to give up some civil rights to assure each other that we are mentally fit to participate in society?

that's a really fun question, isn't it

[pimpmaster9000]

sure except in farm and ranch areas what are you going to do? the issue is mental health. you CAN NOT treat mental health issues by regulating inanimate objects. that make any sense to you? (when I read that it kill me lol)

it is a total civil rights issue, the guys that want to ban guns will never allow any personally invasive test that would handicap a person or otherwise point out their mental stability... so that the mentally ill can be 'offered treatment' ask rochard if he would take that test...

let me ask you instead, what is the obligation of an individual to society? are we each obligated to give up some civil rights to assure each other that we are mentally fit to participate in society?

that's a really fun question, isn't it

in my country you go to 3 separate doctors to get a gun license...psychologist, psychiatrist and ophthalmologist AND you need to get a blood test because they check if you are on any sort of psychoactive substance including "pain medication"...

then the police go visit your neighbors and ask around what type of person you are...they check if you have ever been involved in any violent crime...you also need to attend shooting lessons...

then at their discretion they give you a license to own but not carry a gun...if you want a license to carry you have to prove that you are in danger...then you may get a carry license for 6 months...maybe...and after the 6 months pass you have to go to the police again and prove that you are still in danger...or that you need the gun for work and if you need it for work then you have to be in a bona fide security agency or a guard at some bona fide institution and MAYBE they will give you a carry license...

it is extremely hard to get shot in my country...3 mass shootings in the last 16 years total...the USA averages almost 1/day...

[GAMEFINEST]

Its a tough discussion

[Grapesoda]

in my country you go to 3 separate doctors to get a gun license...psychologist, psychiatrist and ophthalmologist AND you need to get a blood test because they check if you are on any sort of psychoactive substance including "pain medication"...

then the police go visit your neighbors and ask around what type of person you are...they check if you have ever been involved in any violent crime...you also need to attend shooting lessons...

then at their discretion they give you a license to own but not carry a gun...if you want a license to carry you have to prove that you are in danger...then you may get a carry license for 6 months...maybe...and after the 6 months pass you have to go to the police again and prove that you are still in danger...or that you need the gun for work and if you need it for work then you have to be in a bona fide security agency or a guard at some bona fide institution and MAYBE they will give you a carry license...

it is extremely hard to get shot in my country...3 mass shootings in the last 16 years total...the USA averages almost 1/day...

locking down the white schools like the black schools would clear the school shootings up

[Grapesoda]

Its a tough discussion

over my head that's for sure, I would prefer the media talk about reality though

[pimpmaster9000]

locking down the white schools like the black schools would clear the school shootings up

you speak of civil rights, well it is my civil right to walk down the street and not be afraid or need a gun...we do have crime but its mostly petty down here...we do get murders but its mostly criminals killing other criminals...we do have a mental health problem as well because we were in 2 wars...but we have 150 murders total/year...adjusted per capita we have 4-5x less murders per capita than the USA and we are a 3rd world war torn shit hole with the #2 guns per capita...I do not remember that we ever had a school shooting...most of the crime is one criminal kills another and makes the air cleaner to breathe... or some crazy dude kills his wife...

I have never considered buying a gun...there is no reason to own one...

[NewNick]

sure except in farm and ranch areas what are you going to do? the issue is mental health. you CAN NOT treat mental health issues by regulating inanimate objects. that make any sense to you? (when I read that it kill me lol)
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Ok so you ignore the age issue. I assume therefore that you think a minimum age of 21 to own or purchase a firearm is absolutely reasonable.

There you go - gun control is not so hard to countenance afterall is it.

Not sure what you are talking about regarding the regulation of inanimate objects. Society does this all the time.

We have laws against driving whilst drunk. We are not regulating inanimate objects (cars) we are regulating who is allowed to drive them.

Likewise regulating who is fit or otherwise to own or purchase a firearm is regulating standards of competence and behaviour and clearly not regulating inamimate objects. Crazy people are not allowed to drive. In fact crazy people have all manner of ?rights? restricted.

I cannot believe that you are really saying that you are completely in favour of arming the crazies, and that a person with a recognised mental illness, who is intent on causing death or injury, should be allowed to buy an A R fucking 15.:

[thommy]

in my country you go to 3 separate doctors to get a gun license...psychologist, psychiatrist and ophthalmologist AND you need to get a blood test because they check if you are on any sort of psychoactive substance including "pain medication"...

then the police go visit your neighbors and ask around what type of person you are...they check if you have ever been involved in any violent crime...you also need to attend shooting lessons...

then at their discretion they give you a license to own but not carry a gun...if you want a license to carry you have to prove that you are in danger...then you may get a carry license for 6 months...maybe...and after the 6 months pass you have to go to the police again and prove that you are still in danger...or that you need the gun for work and if you need it for work then you have to be in a bona fide security agency or a guard at some bona fide institution and MAYBE they will give you a carry license...

it is extremely hard to get shot in my country...3 mass shootings in the last 16 years total...the USA averages almost 1/day...

it is a very normal procedure - nothing special. you need to do that in the most civilized countries of the world.

[celandina]

Did gun murders go down in Australia after the gun grab? Yes.

And now they have more robberies, burglaries, & violent crime.

Oh look at all the white people

[thommy]

Oh look at all the white people

do you see how old these pics are?

the weapon law in switzerland changed in the meantime 3 times.

weapon in public ??? NO WAY !!! you can not even carry a hammer in public there if you can not prove to need it.

asspimp lives in another century and he does not even care to bring "facts" on the table what have not been facts anymore when he was born.

this guy is so fucking terrible brainwashed and dumb - he deserves a place in the guiness book of records

[Grapesoda]

you speak of civil rights, well it is my civil right to walk down the street and not be afraid or need a gun...we do have crime but its mostly petty down here...we do get murders but its mostly criminals killing other criminals...we do have a mental health problem as well because we were in 2 wars...but we have 150 murders total/year...adjusted per capita we have 4-5x less murders per capita than the USA and we are a 3rd world war torn shit hole with the #2 guns per capita...I do not remember that we ever had a school shooting...most of the crime is one criminal kills another and makes the air cleaner to breathe... or some crazy dude kills his wife...

I have never considered buying a gun...there is no reason to own one...

well, maybe the killers are so busy they don't have time to kill you?

[Grapesoda]

Ok so you ignore the age issue. I assume therefore that you think a minimum age of 21 to own or purchase a firearm is absolutely reasonable.

There you go - gun control is not so hard to countenance afterall is it.

Not sure what you are talking about regarding the regulation of inanimate objects. Society does this all the time.

We have laws against driving whilst drunk. We are not regulating inanimate objects (cars) we are regulating who is allowed to drive them.

Likewise regulating who is fit or otherwise to own or purchase a firearm is regulating standards of competence and behaviour and clearly not regulating inamimate objects. Crazy people are not allowed to drive. In fact crazy people have all manner of ?rights? restricted.

I cannot believe that you are really saying that you are completely in favour of arming the crazies, and that a person with a recognised mental illness, who is intent on causing death or injury, should be allowed to buy an A R fucking 15.:

I'm not ignoring anything, I'm telling you I have little interest in a subject other than the actual cause of the issue. and I told what I felt the social issue is with the actual solution.

a gun is an inanimate object an inanimate object does not make decisions or take actions we both agree that the issue is mental illness. so you decide to discuss the boundaries and regulations concerning an inanimate object as the answer to controlling mental illness.

I'm not trying to be a dick but why talk about the unrelated issue. do you feel better about being fucked up by a nut if they don't use a gun? lock down the schools this afternoon, start sorting out the nuts tomorrow. anything other than that is well... just bullshit on a forum or in the press to me. why would I want to discuss it?

[candyflip]

The wife and I are going shopping for new ARs this afternoon.

[directfiesta]

Hey InfoGuy- this is only the case BECAUSE it was made illegal. When it's only in the black market is when the buyers are exposed to the hard drug pushers. Get some info

Shit.... I agree with AssChimp .... Wow .

[BaldBastard]

Do you think Trump should divert some of that 800 Billion for the Military to providing security for schools it would only take a fraction of it? Government has the money to put armed guards in every school tomorrow.

And is this really what you call living in Freedom?

[Grapesoda]

I've also read the all drugs laws are racially motivated.

[Vendzilla]

and what ?

don´t you have a doctor in charge to get a driving license ?
don´t you need one if you want to drive taxi ?
don´t you need a medical test when you are working in a kitchen?
what about military ? they usually have weapons - no doctor in charge ???

maybe you should think first and post after !

You're changing the subject, not one of those required a mental exam

You're not required to get a mental exam to drive a car in California, hell you don't even have to be a citizen
Uber doesn't require a mental exam
You think a mental exam has been made on every cook that's working out there?
I was in the military, never once did I have a mental exam. I had more exams than most!



So maybe you should shut the fuck up before speaking of shit you haven't a clue about

[Vendzilla]

I love how the liberals first response to violence is to take away peoples ability to protect themselves, fucking stupid!

[Rochard]

You're changing the subject, not one of those required a mental exam

You're not required to get a mental exam to drive a car in California, hell you don't even have to be a citizen

This is true, but very misleading.

It's much more difficult to get a driver's license than it is to purchase a firearm. My daughter took six month class in high school, hours of drive time with a professional driver, countless hours practicing, then took a test, then had to get insurance, and the end result is she has a limited license until she is eighteen.

Why don't we do the same with firearm owners?