Plugrush

[Rik Lear]

Sounds like someone is backing down outta cowardly fear.
You went from Iron Mike to brittle tissue paper bro. Tell AK to go fuck himself an go about your biz. The more you post the more stupid you're appearing.

Yup, after sleeping on this, like AK did, I'm tending to agree after reading over the PR responses. It's sounding like the ole' "Between a Rock & a Hard Place" scenario. Overall, AK is right, just from an observer's perspective here. Quote, "It doesn't pass the smell test..." and, IMO it's not commonsensical nor business savvy unless $$ was lining the pockets in some way. it's all too suspicious. I.e., smell test.

PS - The 'tissue paper bro' thing had me ROTF.

[J.Houser]

Yup, after sleeping on this, like AK did, I'm tending to agree after reading over the PR responses. It's sounding like the ole' "Between a Rock & a Hard Place" scenario. Overall, AK is right, just from an observer's perspective here. Quote, "It doesn't pass the smell test..." and, IMO it's not commonsensical nor business savvy unless $$ was lining the pockets in some way. it's all too suspicious. I.e., smell test.

PS - The 'tissue paper bro' thing had me ROTF.

There's no sleeping on anything. This ak is hassling pr for banners on psuzy. Ask him if he's busting flings balls for advertising on pirate boards like psuzy? Fuck no, he aint doing shit because their lining his pockets with cash.

Gotta dig the stop file lockers crawl spider he constantly uses to secretly harvest intellectual knowledge about an organization. Where I come from that's industrial espionage. ak will use words like accidental discovery. Unless you're actually employed and given authority, it's espionage all in the name of copyright protection.

Ask adultking about his ex owner friend of WJ named Capone.

[TheSquealer]

It's always easy to call someone out for what you believe are the "rights" and "wrongs" of how you think THEY should conduct THEIR business when you aren't the ones paying their bills. Every traffic decision affects the bottom line, employees, salaries etc etc etc.

[AdultKing]

There's no sleeping on anything. This ak is hassling pr for banners on psuzy. Ask him if he's busting flings balls for advertising on pirate boards like psuzy? Fuck no, he aint doing shit because their lining his pockets with cash.

That's untrue, we're working with several ad networks and only bring things to the boards once it's clear that ad networks won't play ball.

Gotta dig the stop file lockers crawl spider he constantly uses to secretly harvest intellectual knowledge about an organization. Where I come from that's industrial espionage. ak will use words like accidental discovery. Unless you're actually employed and given authority, it's espionage all in the name of copyright protection.

Crawling the Internet is not industrial espionage, but it's easy to see you've come from WJunction now, also easy to see you probably have something to lose in all this.

Ask adultking about his ex owner friend of WJ named Capone.

I have never spoken to Simon Key in my life.

[mamaliga]

It's always easy to call someone out for what you believe are the "rights" and "wrongs" of how you think THEY should conduct THEIR business when you aren't the ones paying their bills. Every traffic decision affects the bottom line, employees, salaries etc etc etc.

best answer so far

[Fat Panda]

bump for the night crew

lets castrate adult ad networks that willfully conspire with tube sites and file lockers to monetize illegal content

[J.Houser]

That's untrue, we're working with several ad networks and only bring things to the boards once it's clear that ad networks won't play ball.

Thought you're bad ass shutting down sites, freezing payment processors? Why the attempted business ruining public humiliation?
You forgot having your pockets lined with cash. How ya paying for the secretary, the office in Melbourne? You aint paying that shit with these nickle and dime donations.

Crawling the Internet is not industrial espionage, but it's easy to see you've come from WJunction now, also easy to see you probably have something to lose in all this.

Didn't say crawling the internet. I said crawling to secretly harvest intellectual knowledge about an organization. Don't twist my fuckin' my words around bro. If you think you're smarter than everyone in the room, you're not.

I have never spoken to Simon Key in my life.

You're a mother fucking liar with a secret agenda! Your boy Capone owned some of the biggest warez porn sites on the net. Many in the porn biz (specially those in Australia) work for both sides, hiding under different names and identities. You and Capone argued on who owns what, and how to share the profits. The shit didn't go your way so ya framed Capone. Capone had no choice but to sell wj thinkin' the w guys would back off. It?s only a business, right ak?

Do what you want, I'm not worried about losing our payment processors. We can easily show them what we are doing in regards to piracy prevention, and those are really the only people we need to answer or prove anything to. I doubt they are gonna have the same criterias, so feel free to go ahead with your threats. I'm done..

[DamianJ]

ruh roh...

[CyberHustler]

Get off plugrush's dick and go be king of that adult shit or whatever...

[Black All Through]

We banned plugrush... many people use then on galleries, usually their content is blind (not for everything on there), what was fucked up was that we test a lot of thumbs and got virus warnings flying everywhere on what was linked in there...

I'm sure they'll make people money... I'm also sure they'll scare your visitors away., I might be one of the few still on the "long-term-income-wagon", but that has served us well so far... Surfers aren't dumb... well... not all of them anyway...

[halfpint]

Ohh i see the children are playing again lol

[DamianJ]

Get off plugrush's dick and go be king of that adult shit or whatever...

He's changed the name of the "charity" to Stop File Lockers And Ad Networks. Give him a break.

[AdultKing]

Just as we cut off payment processing as a source of revenue for sites within the file locker eco system, we also cut off advertising revenue.

Responsible ad networks have no issue with terminating piracy sites, responsible ad networks also don't specifically seek out publishers on known piracy webmaster hangouts like WJunction.

Plugrush has a piracy problem, however seems unable to transparently deal with it. There is no plausible explanation for Plugrush to want to continue to run ads on reported infringing sites unless there is some financial benefit to Plugrush for doing so.

[SplatterMaster]

Every traffic decision affects the bottom line, employees, salaries etc etc etc.

That?s why it?s important to do the correct thing from the beginning.

[halfpint]

Just as we cut off payment processing as a source of revenue for sites within the file locker eco system, we also cut off advertising revenue.

Responsible ad networks have no issue with terminating piracy sites, responsible ad networks also don't specifically seek out publishers on known piracy webmaster hangouts like WJunction.

Plugrush has a piracy problem, however seems unable to transparently deal with it. There is no plausible explanation for Plugrush to want to continue to run ads on reported infringing sites unless there is some financial benefit to Plugrush for doing so.

You are not doing yourself any favours by posting this crap on GFY, You should have just sent Plugrush DMCA requests or tried harder to contact them privately, This whole thread is a clusterfuck which you seem to like doing to yourself and your campaign. You keep saying you need cash to run this outfit well you wont get it by posting stuff like this on GFY, you will only isolate yourself.

Not that I care much anymore cause im not really in the adult biz anymore just I have never liked your attitude much, maybe you should take a side seat and let somebody else do the talking and just maybe you might get the cash support you are allways looking for

Have a g'day as they say in Aussi land

[AdultKing]

You are not doing yourself any favours by posting this crap on GFY, You should have just sent Plugrush DMCA requests or tried harder to contact them privately, This whole thread is a clusterfuck which you seem to like doing to yourself and your campaign. You keep saying you need cash to run this outfit well you wont get it by posting stuff like this on GFY, you will only isolate yourself.

Read the thread. We have contacted them, we have dealt with them privately and they want to keep ads running on pirate sites without disabling them.

We have private dialogue with many companies who do the right thing, the only reason this came to the board was PlugRush deciding that they would not do the right thing.

Plugrush have a piracy problem and seem unwilling to address it. They won't distance themselves from pirate sites by running ads on them.

[bean-aid]

Google adsense removes all ads to display immediately when either site is banned or account closed.

Only in adult.

[Creatine]

Oh nooo! AK is getting worked up.

[Markul]

Read the thread. We have contacted them, we have dealt with them privately and they want to keep ads running on pirate sites without disabling them.

We have private dialogue with many companies who do the right thing, the only reason this came to the board was PlugRush deciding that they would not do the right thing.

Plugrush have a piracy problem and seem unwilling to address it. They won't distance themselves from pirate sites by running ads on them.

They are addressing it, they always have been. They just aren't doing it the way you want them to.

So the real question still stands: Who made you king and who is backing you? You act like you represent the whole industry, yet I have yet to see a single license holder or company come forward to say that they handed over the keys to you by signing your company to represent their rights.

Btw in case you forgot, this was your mission statement:

As some of you know I have started a campaign to try and kill off File Lockers.

My first step was to set up a website http://coldcopy.com.au and a backup http://hotcopy.com.au

(coldcopy.com.au is down due to DDOS but hotcopy.com.au is still up. I am prepared to set up 100 sites on different machines and hosts if necessary to keep this campaign going)

Then I set about, with the help of the GFY community, targeting Paypal who process for the illegal material that these file lockers allow to be stored on their systems.

The next obvious step is to target Mastercard and Visa and embarrass them into applying pressure to the billing companies that support the file lockers.

The question I have is, who is really serious about an outcome where file lockers no longer have a place and are forced to shut down because their business model is destroyed ?

I am prepared to put personal time, resources and money into achieving a successful outcome. However I can't do it all by myself.

I started this thread to have a serious discussion about tactics we can use to make the life of file locker operators miserable. Let's see if we can all come up with some good ideas.

You are now attempting to kill of compliant and non-infringing businesses just because the way they handle things don't fit into some procedure you invented. Right? They have explained in multiple different ways, how they handle this and you just refuse to see that there are other ways to do things and achieve the same end goal.

You actually got what you wanted: Remove the income stream from infringing websites.

So right now it sure seems like you have gone wildly astray from your original mission and it makes me wonder who is really behind all this and what the real agenda is. It can't be stopping file lockers or piracy anymore, that's pretty clear to most people that read all this.

[bean-aid]

^^@markul:

Google adsense terminates the display of banned accounts. Tge only reason to keep an ad live after termination is to make money.

This is the only industry that keeps ads up after being banned.

Honestly, i have read your replies. I have read bf replies. I have read damian replies.

Guess what, bf is hosting for criminals and making money. You are likely doing same.

Is it really that hard to just stop showing ads on a banned account?

[BaliPimp]

It is easy to understand PR's point of view here. Piracy related clicks are probably a huge portion of the clicks they provide to advertisers. If they disabled ads from all of these sites the network loses the ability to deliver viewers in large quantities. Problem is the traffic from these publishers is probably shit anyway. I would bet the quality of PR traffic would immediately convert better without the piracy websites. I would imagine with cleaner traffic the price per click would rise making more money for their publishers and themselves.

The people on AK's ass I assume are afraid of his effectiveness. I admit, I am no fan of AK... sometimes he comes off as a tool. But, what he is doing is going make the adult business better and stronger in the long run. To get things done you must be a dick at times.

To stop piracy you must take away the financial incentive. The ad networks are a natural progression in his work. I dont think PR is a bad company for trying to keep the business model alive. But they know what is happening on their network is wrong. They will have to change because they are wrong to do business with piracy sites.

In the long run it will help their business, even tho there will be pain in the beginning. But producers and paysite owners have been hurting a very long time. It is time for everyone to man up and get rid of these criminal sites. Turning a blind eye to put a little change in the pocket has gotten this industry to this point.

[Markul]

^^@markul:

Google adsense terminates the display of banned accounts. Tge only reason to keep an ad live after termination is to make money.

This is the only industry that keeps ads up after being banned.

Honestly, i have read your replies. I have read bf replies. I have read damian replies.

Guess what, bf is hosting for criminals and making money. You are likely doing same.

Is it really that hard to just stop showing ads on a banned account?

This isn't about me. I didn't start this thread, I just ask questions that I seem to not get any real answers to.

I don't know who 'bf' is or what he does, but I can assure you that we are not in the business of hosting for criminals. You better back up your accusations with some sort of proof.

[bean-aid]

This isn't about me. I didn't start this thread, I just ask questions that I seem to not get any real answers to.

I don't know who 'bf' is or what he does, but I can assure you that we are not in the business of hosting for criminals. You better back up your accusations with some sort of proof.

Shut your dumb ass up... read my reply again.

[Markul]

Shut your dumb ass up... read my reply again.

Why? It's not making any sense. Now post that proof please.

[madeofmoney]

Shut your dumb ass up... read my reply again.

[AdultKing]

Nobody is advocating shutting down ad networks Markul.

All we are asking that Plugrush disincentives the use of their network by pirates.

They can do this easily by disabling ads on pirate sites which will stop other pirates thinking Plugrush is a pirate friendly network.

The only logical reason Plugrush would want to keep those ads running is that it wants to keep benefiting from the clicks from piracy sites. This is bad for the whole industry as right now there are a multitude of sites popping up with stolen content and PlugRush advertising.

So far we have found hacked password sites, direct download sites, release logs, file locker download blogs and other file locker eco system sites monetizing using Plugrush. What the critics are basically saying is that this is ok, just wear it. The critics are saying PlugRush should allow piracy on it's network rather than stop it dead in it's tracks.

Some pirate sites may never remove the ad zones, which means that all this piracy related traffic is entering the network. Piracy traffic includes the people who use stolen credit cards to buy site memberships and then rip them. None of that is good for anyone.

[madeofmoney]

[AdultKing]

For those that don't think this is a problem, consider these examples

1. PlugRush used on a Porn Passwords & Backdoor Access site.




2. PlugRush used on a Porn Release site which links to file lockers



3. PlugRush being used on a site which uses stolen credit card numbers to create accounts on porn sites, then publishes them via the site and various ad monetization methods. If you want to pay them via Paypal you can get a list of VIP passwords - again all obtained using stolen credit card numbers to create accounts which are then on-sold.



PlugRush has a piracy problem of it's own making.

PlugRush went to forums like WJunction, a hangout of pirate webmasters, seeking publishers and as a result has a piracy problem.

For those critics who think this is ok, it's not ok.

This behaviour supports the file locker eco system that is ripping the content industry off with terabytes of fresh content being shared every day, mostly through sites like these displayed above.

Other sites displaying PlugRush ads cater to people who will use stolen credit cards to obtain access to legitimate porn sites, through password trading and resale.

This is NOT ok.

[nextri]

AdultKing: We've been discussing things internally here, and we want to come up with a solution we can all be satisfied with. We got some alternative ideas everyone can be hapy with.
Can we discuss a couple of things with you on skype/icq? We'll make a statement here afterwards..

[AdultKing]

AdultKing: We've been discussing things internally here, and we want to come up with a solution we can all be satisfied with. We got some alternative ideas everyone can be hapy with.
Can we discuss a couple of things with you on skype/icq? We'll make a statement here afterwards..

Skype works, please send me your Skype details at https://copycontrol.org/contact-us/

thanks.

[Fat Panda]

plugrush you should be ashamed of yourselves...

[AdultKing]

plugrush you should be ashamed of yourselves...

PlugRush will be posting an announcement shortly.

[Fat Panda]

PlugRush will be posting an announcement shortly.

good for them.

i would advise everyone to think twice about working with such a despicable and vile organization

[looky_lou]

Perfect timing Plugrush. Ready to make an announcement just as I get finished removing all of my ad zones.

[Creatine]

The problem I see here is even if plugrush cooperates completely, everyone will swtich to exoclick and if you get exoclick to cooperate which I doubt.(They advertise for piratebay)

Then their is always another alternative network. You're just opening competition.

Now that plugrush doesn't accept piracy, someone on wjunction can go ahead and open up their own adult ad network.


This is a battle that cannot be won. You shut one website down another will pop up. Even if you managed to shut down every file locker, people will just begin pirating and seeding your porn. There is no way around it.

People will create invite only forums, host the websites off shore, find new ways to monetize.

[Klen]

The problem I see here is even if plugrush cooperates completely, everyone will swtich to exoclick and if you get exoclick to cooperate which I doubt.(They advertise for piratebay)

Then their is always another alternative network. You're just opening competition.

Now that plugrush doesn't accept piracy, someone on wjunction can go ahead and open up their own adult ad network.


This is a battle that cannot be won. You shut one website down another will pop up. Even if you managed to shut down every file locker, people will just begin pirating and seeding your porn. There is no way around it.

People will create invite only forums, host the websites off shore, find new ways to monetize.

It shall be carried anyway.

[johnnyloadproductions]

Nice attitude, someone else will just take the place, so why bother?

Trust me, AK and his crew will go after and shutdown any rogue networks.

As for small startups, it's much easier to extinguish small flames than raging bonfires.

The problem I see here is even if plugrush cooperates completely, everyone will swtich to exoclick and if you get exoclick to cooperate which I doubt.(They advertise for piratebay)

Then their is always another alternative network. You're just opening competition.

Now that plugrush doesn't accept piracy, someone on wjunction can go ahead and open up their own adult ad network.


This is a battle that cannot be won. You shut one website down another will pop up. Even if you managed to shut down every file locker, people will just begin pirating and seeding your porn. There is no way around it.

People will create invite only forums, host the websites off shore, find new ways to monetize.

[Fat Panda]

bump for crickets

[Markul]

Nobody is advocating shutting down ad networks Markul.

Trust me, AK and his crew will go after and shutdown any rogue networks.

Well. Yea. Okay then.

[johnnyloadproductions]

Well. Yea. Okay then.

I should have added with shutdown, if they made no effort to comply.

I commend PR for at least talking.

[nextri]

After some internal discussions and some talks with AdultKing we've come up with a solution.

But first let me point out that PlugRush has never supported pirate sites or ignored reports about pirate sites. We have banned tons of accounts with sites that distribute pirated content. We do take piracy seriously and do not support that way of generating revenue from porn. We ourselves have ran an adult network of affiliate sites for almost ten years and have always done things the right way by using promo content and sending traffic to paysites to generate sales.

We've always taken reports seriously and banned sites that gets reported. When AdultKing started making this thread here, we thought it was without him even trying to contact us or report anything to us. Personally it kinda pissed me off. We're not hard to reach, and we don't mind banning pirates. So we feel it would have been easy to get in touch with us if it was really that big of a concern for you.
Pirate spreading sites is a very small percentage of the sites in plugrush. We have almost 80 thousand registered sites. We wouldn't mind banning all of them. Most of the ones we've found or have gotten reported, are sites with close to no traffic. Very few of them have any substansial amount, so it has never been a priority for us to activly filter them out.
After reading about us supposedly ignoring reports, we started looking into it closer. We searched our email and only found 1 email from may 26th from AdultKing. After talking to him today the only thing we can conclude with is that they must have gone to spam. We did not have a filter to make sure emails didn't go to spam. All the report emails contains a lot of links, so google might have threated them as spam, understandably. We've created a filter to prevent this from happening from now on.

But our way of dealing with pirates and how we disable their account but not the adzones has apparently not been good enough according to AdultKing and other parties, and some have claimed this is not really what we're doing and that we are still selling those clicks. To really show how we stand in this situation we have decided to do some changes. We do not want people to think we are a pirate friendly network, and since there seems to be people who think we are, we have made plans to more actively show where we stand.

Together with AdultKing we've worked out a solution I think everyone will be happy with. There seem to be a strong opinion amongst people that it will help to try to educate users about why they shouldn't download porn for free from file lockers. While we don't think it will do much good, we are willing to give it a try, since there seem to be a strong opinion amongs people that it will some how have an effect. So what we will do is launch a campaign against stealing porn. We're launching the site DontStealPorn.com, and on all disabled widgets on sites we get reports about piracy and links only leading to file lockers, we will display a message saying "Warning! {$domain} contains pirated content. Don't Steal Porn!" with a link to the campaign site. Example: http://www.camelmedia.net/snagit/55060000110237.png

Links on Plugs in those widget will not contain our tracking codes, they will link directly to the advertisers sites. This way it will be impossible for us to still sell the clicks, and pirates will not benefit from it. Some might see this as someone still benefiting from piracy, since the advertisers will still receive traffic, but some of those advertisers will be content producers that have paysites and advertise on our network, the very people who's business AdultKing is trying to fight for, and we believe that it's important to let the users have the possibility to click themselves away from sites with pirated content. So this should be a good thing for both the users and content producers. Users will also have the option to get educated if they read the message and click through to the campaign site.

Hopefully everyone can agree that this is a satisfying solution to all parties involved, and we can live in peace and without the drama. We all want the same thing, and are all on the same site. We just have different opinions on what will work, and how to solve things.

[AdultKing]

And I'd like to thank PlugRush for coming to the table and working out a compromise which not only makes it clear PlugRush is a network that does not tolerate piracy but also a network which seeks to educate end users about the piracy issue.

For a while it seems that we were at crossed purposes, however after a lengthy discussion last night we were able to come to this agreement as described by Nextri.

During the next few days we will be preparing text for the DontStealPorn website, we will also be helping PlugRush determine the appropriate links to put on the site for people who need to report underage or illegal content to the proper places.

Obviously there may be some teething issues as this is implemented so I am sure PlugRush would welcome any feedback as would Copy Control from our end.

Over the next three months we will measure how this range of measures impacts the adoption of PlugRush by pirates and then review the situation together with PlugRush.

I think everyone involved can call this a win/win for common sense and an instant loss for the pirate sites which will lose ad revenue as a result of these measures.

[DamianJ]

We're launching the site DontStealPorn.com

Yeah, that'll do it.

[Klen]

Yeah, that'll do it.

Dont be such a grumpy cat.

[bean-aid]

http://www.camelmedia.net/snagit/55060000110237.png

I think that is a great idea.

[DVTimes]

plugrush is great.

[J.Houser]

After some internal discussions and some talks with AdultKing we've come up with a solution.

The solution consists of you bending over, allowing this ak conartist with a strong checkered past (banner exchanges) *caughs* dictate how you run your company while ak isn't worth the last drop of cum on a dirty towell. Have you ran this pussies background from past till current? You're talking about this schriveled up 48yr old prune like he's got serious yank. He couldn't come to terms with you via email so the coward pussy brings it to gfy. Fresh DD batteries in a dildo and ram it up aks wrinkled up ass with a toliet plunger. No offense ak!

[AdultKing]

The solution consists of you bending over, allowing this ak conartist with a strong checkered past (banner exchanges) *caughs* dictate how you run your company while ak isn't worth the last drop of cum on a dirty towell. Have you ran this pussies background from past till current? You're talking about this schriveled up 48yr old prune like he's got serious yank. He couldn't come to terms with you via email so the coward pussy brings it to gfy. Fresh DD batteries in a dildo and ram it up aks wrinkled up ass with a toliet plunger. No offense ak!

I think it's pretty obvious we're doing something right if fake nicks like you go to all this effort to anonymously have a dig at our efforts.

As long as we keep displacing people like you, we're very satisfied.

[J.Houser]

I think it's pretty obvious we're doing something right if fake nicks like you go to all this effort to anonymously have a dig at our efforts.

As long as we keep displacing people like you, we're very satisfied.

Displacing people? You ain't displacing me pussy. This thread displayed how weak pr is abiding by your meaningless threats. You're a untrustworthy asshole with one hell of a checked past thinking you're atop a self-appointed pedestal dictating website owners decisions.

Let's talk about your punk ass where the donations don't add up to the expenses. Donations bought your piddly ass a new laptop. Donations pay for internet connection that you've always paid from as far back when your money grabbing ass was with teenpromote. What's up with the office? What the fuck do you need a office for?
Not only that bitch, you claimed sfl was dead cuz you ran out of money. Didn't you say sfl could stand without donations for a year? POP a couple of small donations n you're back in business or did Fabian toss you more cash? If that crooked fuck (almost as good a con-man as you) didn't toss you cash, why the fuck are you targeting lockers posting Manwin property?

Do what ever the fuck you want. Have these pussy ass companies suck the last drop of sweat off your lice infested ball sack. What pisses me off is your money grabbing lying backstabbing past.

[johnnyloadproductions]

Displacing people? You ain't displacing me pussy. This thread displayed how weak pr is abiding by your meaningless threats. You're a untrustworthy asshole with one hell of a checked past thinking you're atop a self-appointed pedestal dictating website owners decisions.

It's always a wonder guessing the age of someone like you... or mental age at least...