Why does Webbilling process for rape sites?

[ArsewithClass]

Have you checked that rape content? A lot is fake. I worry more about Visa, MasterCard and PayPal secretly processing for bestiality and child pornography.

Not necessarily secretly, but not knowing... The amount of tgps I see with pictures I think.. wow, this girl is barely 16

All the content is fake, especially the force gag sites & tie & tease.

[raymor]

Exactly

2raymor: "Irréversible" has some long and very natural (explicit, graphic etc) scene of rape. Which is far more realistic than all these pathetic fake rape sites discussed in this thread. Google about it and you'll find out how many people found it extremely sexy. Tell me please why the hell this scene is doing in that movie? Is there some "artistic" reason for it? The answer is NO! It was included to make a bestseller. So everything is about money. The Irreversible made Monica Bellucci famous, but the rape simulated port will put its author into the US jail. What an irony? )

What about "Hostel", "A Serbian Film", "Saw" etc? No one normal person will want watch it. What sort of people is being targeted by these movies?

So in summary, The Irreversible is vile and disgusting? You're certainly not saying that because someone made a vile depiction of rape as erotic, other people should make more?

[SmokeyTheBear]

if cp were legal would you all say the same thing..? not my cup of tea but it's legal..

comparing rape porn to hollywood is silly, it is like comparing maxim to hustler.

the majority of people don't watch hollywood movies to get off on the rape scenes.

[ArsewithClass]

Hostile is a fantastic film, but sick, yet... may as well watch a load of porn scenes with gangbang, bondage & fake rape considering they are not based on a true story & Hostile was.

The amount of people in this world the do not like any porn, they think it degrades a woman, I'm finding this thread & the people saying the fake rape sites are wrong, are pretty much one tracked minded mother xxxxxxxx.... what about my nan, what about your grandparents... they like to see solo content but not fake rape.... no, they wouldn't want to see any!

[just a punk]

So in summary, The Irreversible is vile and disgusting? You're certainly not saying that because someone made a vile depiction of rape as erotic, other people should make more?

I didn't say that, and I won't say it again. Rape is exciting for the bigger % of males on the Earth. This is not a kind of mental problems (e.g. homosexuality), but just a matter of our wild instincts.

As about the "Irreversible", so it became disgusting (on my own opinion) right from the point when a raper started beating her in a very brutal manner. Yes, this part of scene was too hard for me, but I can't tell for others. Everybody has his own limits and borders

[porno jew]

it europe and japan this shit is common and tolerated. in the US it will get you jailed. keep those differences in mind, act accordingly.

[porno jew]

Rape is exciting for the bigger % of males on the Earth.

o'rly? that might say more about your average russian maybe, than the rest of males on the planet.

[ArsewithClass]

the majority of people don't watch hollywood movies to get off on the rape scenes.

No, of course not, but feel aroused when watching & seeing it. The common effect is that those that are uncontrolling & would never do this, find this more erousing to watch, IT'S FANTASY!

It's usually judges & barristers, whom are in control of peoples destiny, who like to be tormented or abused if seeing escorts & erotic meetings

[SmokeyTheBear]

No, of course not, but feel aroused when watching & seeing it.

i dont think the majority of people are aroused watching a rape scene in a movie theatre

[baryl]

I don't know why everyone keeps saying that simulated rape porn will land you in jail in the US because that isn't true.

[just a punk]

o'rly? that might say more about your average russian maybe, than the rest of males on the planet.

It can say a lot about average porno jews at well. Believe me. Rape is a hunting instinct - nothing more and nothing less. Should I explain you what basic instincts are and how exactly they work? Perhaps Google and Wikipedia will do the work your teachers were unable to handle...

FYI my stupid monkey: rape crime level in Russia is much lower than in the US for example.

[ArsewithClass]

Rape is exciting for the bigger % of males on the Earth.

You mean fake rape, when knowing that it is fantasy...

Most decent honest men would admit to enjoying to see a girl held down & fucked by a few guys, if they are not like this in real life. You also could find these are the guys that would risk their lives to stop it happening in real life also!


It's fantasy


I'd like to know what everyones grandparents think of solo scenes of girls degrading themselves infront of guys, so they can get off... Money controls this, so the girl is only agreeing to show her body due to the money offered, therefore a guy with plenty of money could buy anything, including silence.

Adult business is the adult business... everyone & everything is allowed, as long as you don't effect or control others.

[ArsewithClass]

i dont think the majority of people are aroused watching a rape scene in a movie theatre

It can get you 2 ways... you feel the anger build up inside & want to jump into the screen & help or, you feel erotically charged, it depends on the situation & how the film was portrayed. But yes, ok, I see your point, hopefully you can see mine.

Ever found your knob wet from cum at the end & you hadn't had a hard on or have been frustrated not aroused?

[porno jew]

FYI my stupid monkey: rape crime level in Russia is much lower than in the US for example.

yes the stats show that because it is reported and prosecuted not a popular hobby like it is apparently is in mother russia.

[ottopottomouse]

I'd like to know what everyones grandparents think of solo scenes of girls degrading themselves infront of guys, so they can get off...

Old people have incredibly fucked ideas about things - I wouldn't dare ask.

[just a punk]

You mean fake rape, when knowing that it is fantasy...

Everything I wanted to say, I have said. A fantasy is just a fantasy and every one has a right to think about anything he/she want. There is the only rule: don't hurt a real people with a real action. This MUST be prosecuted, but only a real act - not thoughts/dreams etc.

[ArsewithClass]

Ok, please watch this... is this wrong... for all you know the model didn't know that the guys came in & fuck her or it could have been set up by the fella.

http://adult-excitement.co.uk/previe...dintrusion.wmv



Obvious, Natalie knew the 2 guys that shot their load over & inside her, I also knew they were fucking her, due to filming the scene

[just a punk]

yes the stats show that because it is reported and prosecuted not a popular hobby like it is apparently is in mother russia.

So why it's not "a popular hobby" here? May be because Russian men can afford sex with a woman without forcing her to do that? I don't know if you understand what I'm talking about however...

[ArsewithClass]

Old people have incredibly fucked ideas about things - I wouldn't dare ask.

ahhhh I do worry that we have changed this world & made it too open & reserved, the youth thinking they can run around with guns, killings, abusing teachers in the class room, what if the old had the right methods. What if they were right... and true, I wouldn't have the disrespect to ask neither

[ArsewithClass]

- not thoughts/dreams etc.

Wooooo!

No way, thoughts & dreams of rape!???! This is as bad as doing it!

I have never thought to myself about grabbing a bird and forcing sex on a female, nor have I dreamt it! Admittedly, I've always found women want it with me & therefore sex has always been to hand from 16 until now.

But to lay fantasising about it, I would have thought as bad as doing it. To make a script to film & shoot, is putting a fantasy for someone to watch. Creative, maybe slightly messed up, but hey let's take a look at quentin tarantino

[just a punk]

It's like a hunting. The ancient instincts are running in our blood (not in everyone of course). For example, I never hunted (never killed an animal) because I don't like it. I even don't like fishing. Yes, I know that fish has not much more brain than a cockroach and I like fish meal. However I don't like to kill it. Yes, even a fish. But on the other hand, I do understand the people who love hunting because I know, it's in their blood - we are all just animals - some more, some less...

[SmokeyTheBear]

It can get you 2 ways... you feel the anger build up inside & want to jump into the screen & help or, you feel erotically charged, it depends on the situation & how the film was portrayed. But yes, ok, I see your point, hopefully you can see mine.

my point was , much like the tubes ,or popular torrent sites, there is a difference between having the occasional pirated movie , and making all your money on pirated movies.

rape porn is rape porn from beginning to end. hollywood is hollywood with the occasional rape scene that is not the focus of the movie.

bdsm usually involves some elemnt of sadism , but you are quite aware the masochist is there of their own volition , unlike rape porn where the point is to make you believe the woman is an unwilling participant.

Ever found your knob wet from cum at the end & you hadn't had a hard on or have been frustrated not aroused?

actually no , i dont think i have.. then again nobody ever asked if i was a man or a woman

[Joshua G]

I don't know why everyone keeps saying that simulated rape porn will land you in jail in the US because that isn't true.

its hard to dispute you, simply because card processors wont back a US rape site.

However, should a US producer feel frisky & put up a free site depicting simulated rape, there is the potential of doing time, all dependent on the motivations of the dept of justice.

the obscenity law is vague, & in theory any hardcore content can be prosecuted if the DOJ is in the mood to burn witches. What holds back these witchhunts is that federal attornies have higher priorities & limited resources, the exact impediments faced by the Bush administration.

The US justice system has a tendancy to make the "due process" so long, cumbersome, & expensive, that the due process is, in essence, the punishment, even if the end game is that you escape time.

So yeah, your pretty much right. But should the Man target you for prosecution, the due process will kill you just the same.

[EukerVoorn]

Monsieur, you're one big fucking french idiot.

Maybe I'm better informed than you are. There is real rape and snuff stuff going around on the web. When reading a topic like this "Why does Webbilling process for rape sites?" I'm like... wow... only to discover Webbilling appears to be processing for fake rape content.

Can I cum on your face now? French cum tastes like garlic

[INever]

My problem with promoting a rape site is the MANY idiots who think it's real.

But that's just me.

[EukerVoorn]

Actually they can buy rape, beast, water-sports, scat, etc and pay it all with your Visa or Mastercard, the larger stores take AMEX too.

Visa & MC doesn't give a shit what you with their cards as long as it doesn't require more $ in customer service than it brings in to them.

That's why AMEX dropped adult completely back in the days

Rape, violence and hard SM are illegal in Germany. I think bestiality is illegal in Germany too but I'm not sure about that.

[EukerVoorn]

Why do several ppl in here post that rape porn is legal in Germany? It's absolutely not

Exactly.

[EukerVoorn]

Not necessarily secretly, but not knowing... The amount of tgps I see with pictures I think.. wow, this girl is barely 16

All the content is fake, especially the force gag sites & tie & tease.

Like someone wrote, the real rape can be found on sites like facialabuse and Max Hardcore. Morons like Porno Jew who can't think for themselves consider that ok because nobody put the rape label on it for them. Now if you would put the same content on a "rape" site with "rape" written all over it in bold characters, they would freak and disapprove it. Basically anything that isn't shot with model consent, is rape. So there is a lot of real rape going around on the web and no authority is doing anything about it just like nobody does anything about the piracy problem. Non-consent and illegal and cp and piracy content go hand in hand and they can exist because everybody looks the other way.

[porno jew]

i have submitted an application to the european union cyber crimes division to make producing and billing for scat sites illegal and punishable by imprisonment. i will post more details as they emerge.

[Joshua G]

Like someone wrote, the real rape can be found on sites like facialabuse

you should be careful throwing the rape word at a respected program around here.

as a repeat customer & fan of the duke, i take offense to this. A number of his chicks tap out. whenever a girl says stop, they do. None of that is rape. Neither is a porn slut volunteering for a beatdown for money. thats just business.

[Just Alex]

FYI my stupid monkey: rape crime level in Russia is much lower than in the US for example.

Thats because we have much broader definition of rape. If husband gets piss drunk and beats the shit out of his wife and then has sex, its norm in Russia. Here its called rape.
When 20 y.o. fucks some 16 y.o. girl that comes from family of drunks and drug junkies, its "taking care of her". Here its a statutory rape.

[Just Alex]

Maybe I'm better informed than you are. There is real rape and snuff stuff going around on the web. When reading a topic like this "Why does Webbilling process for rape sites?" I'm like... wow... only to discover Webbilling appears to be processing for fake rape content.

Can I cum on your face now? French cum tastes like garlic

No, he's a moron. And you're getting close to being called one as well. Everyone knows its "simulated".. But its still insinuation of rape with names like Brutally Raped. Try naming your site with word child and s&x in it, even if its Little Lupe playing the role. Get it, dumb ass? You do that, and I will film you in one of our jails getting the taste of garlic from big black guy .

[EukerVoorn]

No, he's a moron. And you're getting close to being called one as well. Everyone knows its "simulated".. But its still insinuation of rape with names like Brutally Raped. Try naming your site with word child and s&x in it, even if its Little Lupe playing the role. Get it, dumb ass? You do that, and I will film you in one of our jails getting the taste of garlic from big black guy .

Are you having your period, ghetto cunt? And what are you trying to say, that if I put the words "teen sex" on my sites, I'll end up in an USA jail? Have you been watching First Blood tonight? Also, you agree with OP but you still think he's a moron? You're on crack?

[EukerVoorn]

you should be careful throwing the rape word at a respected program around here.

as a repeat customer & fan of the duke, i take offense to this. A number of his chicks tap out. whenever a girl says stop, they do. None of that is rape. Neither is a porn slut volunteering for a beatdown for money. thats just business.

We could have a long discussion about the definition of consent and whether people have the courage to say "stop" in certain situations. But I don't want to have that discussion with you, if you don't mind. Just out of curiosity, do they show any of their existing content to models before shooting with them, and is it true that they ask models to sign the model release BEFORE the shoot starts?

[EukerVoorn]

i have submitted an application to the european union cyber crimes division to make producing and billing for scat sites illegal and punishable by imprisonment. i will post more details as they emerge.

Scat is consent, and even if it was illegal, there is still something like "morals". For example, in some European countries you can go to jail for denying the Holocaust. In other countries you won't get to jail because it falls within the right of free speech but that doesn't mean that you should go out on the street and shout that the Holocaust never took place. Because it would be immoral.

So IMO faked rape content is as acceptable as any rape scene in any Hollywood production. If it's real or looks real, it should be illegal, and investigated. No matter what kind of site it's on. I'm sure the really bad stuff can be found on filelockers though.

[porno jew]

sorry after further consultation with my associates we have decided that no one would consent to a scat scene unless they were drugged, suffering from dementia praecox, mesmerism, ritual child sex abuse, or small skulls.

the secretary is drawing up the petition tomorrow morning.

[just a punk]

Thats because we have much broader definition of rape. If husband gets piss drunk and beats the shit out of his wife and then has sex, its norm in Russia. Here its called rape.

Wrong: Criminal Code 115, Criminal Code 113, Criminal Code 117, Criminal Code 111

When 20 y.o. fucks some 16 y.o. girl that comes from family of drunks and drug junkies, its "taking care of her". Here its a statutory rape.

16 is the age of consent in Russia so the girl has a right to decide who to sleep with. Why don't you say she's 18, 21 or 33? Will it change anything? If the the guy doesn't hold her against her will (Criminal Code 126), it's really not a crime.

Sorry, but you have no idea about Russian laws, but trying to argue with me. Why?

[just a punk]

Oh, just one question. Could the following scenes be considered as a rape (staged of course):

http://content.boundgangbangs.com/tr...GB_300x250.swf
http://content.boundgangbangs.com/tr...GB_300x250.swf
http://content.boundgangbangs.com/tr...GB_300x250.swf

Yes or not? Where is the line?

[DamianJ]

ArseWithClass had his site pulled by Epoch because he was advertising rape on it, so he probably knows more than most how this can impact your business.

[Paul Markham]

Reading this thread, it suddenly came to me, how easy it would be to shackle online porn. http://gfy.com/showthread.php?p=18680474#post18680474

[Just Alex]

Are you having your period, ghetto cunt? And what are you trying to say, that if I put the words "teen sex" on my sites, I'll end up in an USA jail? Have you been watching First Blood tonight? Also, you agree with OP but you still think he's a moron? You're on crack?

No u dumb euro trash. It wasn't word "teen" I was talking about.

[Just Alex]

Wrong: Criminal Code 115, Criminal Code 113, Criminal Code 117, Criminal Code 111



16 is the age of consent in Russia so the girl has a right to decide who to sleep with. Why don't you say she's 18, 21 or 33? Will it change anything? If the the guy doesn't hold her against her will (Criminal Code 126), it's really not a crime.

Sorry, but you have no idea about Russian laws, but trying to argue with me. Why?

Oh please, spare me. Kак будто я не знаю как в России к этому относятся.

[just a punk]

Oh please, spare me. Kак будто я не знаю как в России к этому относятся.

Yes you don't know. Codes 115, 113, 117 and 111 are the most working (say popular) ones in Russia. Once again infliction of injuries is a very common crime here, but not the rape.

BTW, what's about my question regarding 3 promos from Kinks? Could it be considered as a staged rape and why?

[Paul Markham]

Reading this thread, it suddenly came to me, how easy it would be to shackle online porn. http://gfy.com/showthread.php?p=18680474#post18680474

This is what came to me in a flash.

What SOPA does is enforce existing laws. So sites that are coming into the US conforms to the existing laws in the US. Yes it goes on a bit harder in trying to enforce those law. However if you did what online sites do in breaking the laws of the land, you have to expect a back lash.

So this thread makes it clear that many sites ignore the laws of the countries they are available to. Here's how they could block porn on the Internet or hit it so hard it would be very hard to operate.

Today any under 18 can view porn online. Can they also walk into a porn shop and view porn without the owner getting into trouble? If they can it's an easy law to pass. Then they pass another one saying any site that doesn't verify the age of a viewer is breaking US law, so they had best block US traffic or get their site hit by the same penalties that pirates will face.

Truth is they don't care, except when electioneering, so don't do anything.

[Joshua G]

We could have a long discussion about the definition of consent and whether people have the courage to say "stop" in certain situations. But I don't want to have that discussion with you, if you don't mind. Just out of curiosity, do they show any of their existing content to models before shooting with them, and is it true that they ask models to sign the model release BEFORE the shoot starts?

yep. they do an interview with the talent as the scene begins. In some of the interviews, duke alludes to what they think of what they saw & are about to do.

as i dont work there, i dont know when model releases get signed. What i can tell you is...several of the ladies can't take the abuse after 10 minutes, & the scene is cut short.

The content is shot in the NYC area & he's been doing it nearly a decade, so if the authorities thought any non-consensual activity was happening, believe me he woulda been shut down real fast.

I'm not interested in debating the concept of young women not knowing what they are getting into either. i shoot for my own site...some ladies are much more responsible about their safety then others. You can't save a naive person from themselves i'm afraid. I didnt bring up Max because his tactics are dancing on the word rape. But i can attest the ladies that work for the duke know what they're getting into.

my work is done here. good luck.

[Just Alex]

Yes you don't know. Codes 115, 113, 117 and 111 are the most working (say popular) ones in Russia. Once again infliction of injuries is a very common crime here, but not the rape.

BTW, what's about my question regarding 3 promos from Kinks? Could it be considered as a staged rape and why?

Codes-schmodes. I was talking about whats reported as rape in Russia vs the US. Sexual assaults are taken very seriously in the states. Shit like this would not fly here. You justice system is fucked up and corrupted as hell.

http://www.myudm.ru/node/13317

http://police-russia.info/index.php/...tnej-devochki/

http://www.vologda.kp.ru/online/news/1020150/

http://www.newsland.ru/news/detail/id/741474/

[BIGTYMER]

sorry after further consultation with my associates we have decided that no one would consent to a scat scene unless they were drugged, suffering from dementia praecox, mesmerism, ritual child sex abuse, or small skulls.

the secretary is drawing up the petition tomorrow morning.

[just a punk]

Codes-schmodes. I was talking about whats reported as rape in Russia vs the US. Sexual assaults are taken very seriously in the states. Shit like this would not fly here. You justice system is fucked up and corrupted as hell.

http://www.myudm.ru/node/13317

http://police-russia.info/index.php/...tnej-devochki/

http://www.vologda.kp.ru/online/news/1020150/

http://www.newsland.ru/news/detail/id/741474/

Yes it is corrupted as hell. I totally agree with that statement.

But "fucked up" applies best to the US justice system. Ours much more liberal and just. However yes all its good sides are being ruined by corruption.

[EukerVoorn]

yep. they do an interview with the talent as the scene begins. In some of the interviews, duke alludes to what they think of what they saw & are about to do.

as i dont work there, i dont know when model releases get signed. What i can tell you is...several of the ladies can't take the abuse after 10 minutes, & the scene is cut short.

The content is shot in the NYC area & he's been doing it nearly a decade, so if the authorities thought any non-consensual activity was happening, believe me he woulda been shut down real fast.

I'm not interested in debating the concept of young women not knowing what they are getting into either. i shoot for my own site...some ladies are much more responsible about their safety then others. You can't save a naive person from themselves i'm afraid. I didnt bring up Max because his tactics are dancing on the word rape. But i can attest the ladies that work for the duke know what they're getting into.

my work is done here. good luck.

In 2004 I worked with a Scottish model who had worked for Facial Abuse and she told me that she wasn't able to swallow any food for weeks. She also said she found it strange having to sign the model release before the shoot. I find that strange too and if combined with the "can't take the abuse after 10 minutes, & the scene is cut short" it can be concluded that the material is still being sold, after all they already signed the release? In that case, do the models get paid for a full scene, or do they get less pay?

I agree with your "porn slut volunteering for a beatdown for money is just business" comment. But I won't shoot anything with very naive, drugged, drunk or emotionally unbalanced models, I hardly ever shoot 18 year old models either, most are >21.

Maybe my "rape" comment wasn't carefully chose, than on the other hand, there isn't much difference between "rape" and "abuse", is there? So maybe better to rename the venture into "facial romancing" But yeah I agree the way they work, it isn't rape. So I take that back and apologize to "the duke" whoever he may be.

[EukerVoorn]

No u dumb euro trash. It wasn't word "teen" I was talking about.

I know that duck faced cunt, I just didn't want to use the term "c. sex". My point remains the same though, anybody can create any website and write c. sex all over it and get away with it, and get away with a lot regarding the actual content as well. And that's because the world has become apathic.

Also, what can be concluded from what you and some others claim in this thread:

1) Pseudo rape sites with the word "rape" in the domainname should be illegal
2) Rape content is ok, just as long as it's not being sold from sites that have the word "rape" in the domain name
3) Whether this rape content is real or fake doesn't matter

What a load of bullshit! At least I quickly learn who I shouldn't take seriously in here!