Why does Webbilling process for rape sites?

[Joshua G]

rape sites fail to deliver. Stupid to ban them, like banning fake weed.

[Kenny B!]

Surveys have shown 9 out of 10 enjoy gang rape.

[blackmonsters]

Interesting. So to most of the people who replied, there is no difference at all between a police drama, where the they try to stop a rapist, and selling something to of get off on the idea of raping women? To me, there is a difference between acknowledging that crime happens versus promoting rape as erotic.

Just as you might watch Law and Order with your family, you're just as comfortable sitting down with dinner and watching a rape porn, where they present a woman screaming in anguish as the best part of a fun Saturday night? That's interesting, if so.

If you think there IS a difference between a drama that mentions a crime having occurred versus promoting the idea of rape as the way to get your rocks off, it might be interesting to ponder just what that difference is.

I think it mignt be that it's ok to have a cop drama and that doesn't necesarily make it ok to promote the idea off rape as being erotic or acceptable.

The law in the US is basically what you just said.
The fine line between obscenity and art is what it comes down to in court.
If the content focuses on the rape instead of a broader theme then it's going to be
obscenity in most courts. Law And Order focuses on the process of arrest, trial and
conviction. The rape is only there to establish the crime to follow through the process.

It's really a joke when people compare porn scenes with rape and violence to TV
and movie dramas because the movie and TV never focus on the rape and violence as
the sole message of the content, in addition to, the TV/movie rape not even being explicit. The rape scene in TV is 20 seconds; in porn it's 20 minutes!!

When Law And Order makes an episode with 10 rape scenes one after another with
no arrest and no other message then people can argue about mainstream TV and movies
somehow "getting away with it". Until that time it's truly a stupid argument.

[Barry-xlovecam]

Don't film or distribute "simulated" rape content in the United States -- you can be convicted of federal felony obscenity charges ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extreme...ty_prosecution

[nikki99]

I remember that thread about a sponsor full of bestiality and everyone start screaming like old virgin ladies, stupid idiots...

[nextri]

A little rape never hurt anyone..

[epitome]

Thank God we are not forced to adhere to other's cultures and taste.

There are so many people in the world absolutely disgusted by pro-choice folks.

Doesn't mean we should ban abortions.

Just because the cow is sacred somewhere doesn't mean the world should stop eating hamburgers.

I personally think arranged marriage is one of the cruelest things in the world. I also respect that there are people who believe in it.

I think scat is disgusting and do not want anything to do with it. I also recognize that others are into it. I certainly wouldn't want to deny them their right.

[nextri]

I personally believe life begins at ejaculation, and everyone who masturbate should be charged with murder..

[lyno]

When Law And Order makes an episode with 10 rape scenes one after another with no arrest and no other message then people can argue about mainstream TV and movies somehow "getting away with it". Until that time it's truly a stupid
argument.

Is that why everybody who had sex in those older "teenage horror movies"
got brutally slaughtered short after (especially the girls)? So, adding some
primitive, political correct moral wanking to the plot should do the trick.

[SASCHA WINKLER]

If you as a payment comapany not offering / processing MC or VISA, you are also 'not' overviewed by them.

[blackmonsters]

Is that why everybody who had sex in those older "teenage horror movies"
got brutally slaughtered short after (especially the girls)? So, adding some
primitive, political correct moral wanking to the plot should do the trick.

Yeah, go for it.

Let me know when you figure out that TV and Mainstream movies don't show dicks in
pussies. Which would be the entire point of why they can do what they do.

[baryl]

Half the scenarios depicted in porn would be illegal if they were real.

Hell, the most disturbing rape scenes I've ever seen in my life were in mainstream films you can view any time on Netflix. (Last House On The Left and Megan is Missing)

[blackmonsters]

Hell, the most disturbing rape scenes I've ever seen in my life were in mainstream films you can view any time on Netflix. (Last House On The Left and Megan is Missing)

And how many dicks went into pussies that you saw on screen?

Just a "minor point in the fine print" type question.

[moeloubani]

funny how a guy with teens and young in his domain names complains about webbilling working with sites that say rape

[raymor]

it's called moral relativism and it does exist.

The interesting thing about normative moral relativism is that it so clearly contradicts itself. The moral relativist says "you shouldn't judge what other people should or shouldn't do, because each person has their own standards."

Note the contradiction - "you shouldn't say what others shouldn't do". If moral relativism is correct, that I shouldn't say what one should do, then it's also incorrect because it says you shouldn't say that I shouldn't say that. Moral relativism rules itself to be wrong.

[baryl]

And how many dicks went into pussies that you saw on screen?

Just a "minor point in the fine print" type question.

I don't see any difference; they're both simulated rape.
I don't spend too much time watching rape porn because I find it vile and disgusting but what I've briefly seen is much tamer than both of those films I mentioned. Especially Megan is Missing which graphically depicts for about 20 straight minutes a 13 y/o girl being brutally raped and buried alive. That movie may be those most fucked up thing I've ever witnessed and you can fire that up on your Nintendo Wii any time.

[RRRED]

I'm not sure why a thread about rape made me laugh out loud at least 5 times...

Man, I missed this place!

[livexxx]

I'm watching a Steven Seagal film and he has gone way past that and is killing people.

[EukerVoorn]

Well, actually I always thought webbilling is a respected and serious company, but when I saw this I just thought WTF!

So they are actually billing for a website like CruelNetwork which has nice sub-sites with names like "Brutally Raped", "Force Her", "Family Violation" and so on. I don't know about you, but certainly I wouldn't want to work with a company that has no prob processing for shit like that, not even as alternative billing solution.

Have you checked that rape content? A lot is fake. I worry more about Visa, MasterCard and PayPal secretly processing for bestiality and child pornography.

[Konda]

funny how a guy with teens and young in his domain names complains about webbilling working with sites that say rape

Typical US folks, if it's illegal in the US, it should be illegal anywhere and you should be against it. But if it was legal int he US they would all promote it.

[Konda]

I am sure the banking partners would be thrilled to see this sort of content passing through their processing partners gateways. Conservative grey haired German bankers love the thought of making a few extra euro enabling processing for "Brutally Raped", "Force Her" and "Family Violation".

Why would they care. It's legal in Germany, and many other countries in the world.
People can just run into a porn shop and buy a rape DVD and pay with their same bank card.

This is Webbilling, they process for EU debit cards. This content is legal in the EU.

There should be no other discussion about morals, everyone here works in PORN, everyone has different morals, but that doesn't mean everyone just have to follow YOUR morals.

[baryl]

Actually I don't think it's illegal in the US. It is however illegal in Germany and England (at least according to Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_pornography
It's mostly just considered distasteful and many don't want to be associated with it.

[porno jew]

Have you checked that rape content? A lot is fake.

no shit sherlock.

[blackmonsters]

no shit sherlock.

[anexsia]

I don't see any difference; they're both simulated rape.
I don't spend too much time watching rape porn because I find it vile and disgusting but what I've briefly seen is much tamer than both of those films I mentioned. Especially Megan is Missing which graphically depicts for about 20 straight minutes a 13 y/o girl being brutally raped and buried alive. That movie may be those most fucked up thing I've ever witnessed and you can fire that up on your Nintendo Wii any time.

Ever seen Irreversible? Or hell, there's I Spit On Your Grave too, I would say both of those are worse then the simulated rape scenes portrayed on some of these porn sites.

[blackmonsters]

I don't see any difference; they're both simulated rape.
I don't spend too much time watching rape porn because I find it vile and disgusting but what I've briefly seen is much tamer than both of those films I mentioned. Especially Megan is Missing which graphically depicts for about 20 straight minutes a 13 y/o girl being brutally raped and buried alive. That movie may be those most fucked up thing I've ever witnessed and you can fire that up on your Nintendo Wii any time.

And highlighted above is exactly the anti-porn argument.

"People get to the point where they are incapable of seeing the difference".

The difference is huge, accepting the difference and viewing the material is not the
same as viewing the material and not seeing the difference.

When you see no difference then you obviously are not even comparing the
work environment nor are you considering the impact of the environment on
the worker. You don't give a shit about a porn stars feelings, emotions or fear
of the work place or their right to work in a reasonable environment.

Nobody is shooting mainstream Hollywood movies with rape scenes while 5 guys
off camera jerk off to the scene so they can "add loads" to the cum shot.

You might do a mainstream movie part where you get ass raped in prison and
have no problem with the simulated ass rape. But if the director says "We want
this more realistic so, we won't show dick on camera but, you guys go ahead and
shove it in his ass". I bet you'll see the difference then.

[barcodes]

[Joshua G]

When you see no difference then you obviously are not even comparing the work environment nor are you considering the impact of the environment on the worker. You don't give a shit about a porn stars feelings, emotions or fear of the work place or their right to work in a reasonable environment.

sorry dude. most rape content is not produced by forcing innocent girls to take it in the ass, or else. The rape genre is 90% standard fare with bad setup, a few slaps, & a tattooed cock whore badly pretending she dont like it. In addition, many bondage sites make it quite obvious at the end of the scene that the content was consensual.

you are referring to a handful of producers who con & coerce their talent into extreme sex they didnt intend to do. These producers attempt to capture, in essence, real rape. That type of scene is found in numerous genres. Those who like that stuff know where to find it, & its not by searching for rape on google.

[Just Alex]

Have you checked that rape content? A lot is fake.

Monsieur, you're one big fucking french idiot.

[anexsia]

Monsieur, you're one big fucking french idiot.

[Loryn]

I'm not sure why a thread about rape made me laugh out loud at least 5 times...

Man, I missed this place!

I did the same thing... LOL Only GFY can you laugh at something so twisted and not be twisted...

[just a punk]

Interesting. So to most of the people who replied, there is no difference at all between a police drama, where the they try to stop a rapist, and selling something to of get off on the idea of raping women? To me, there is a difference between acknowledging that crime happens versus promoting rape as erotic.

What's about movies like Rambo where people get killed like popcorn flops? You know, some people get a boner when some "good" action movie guy cuts a throat to a "bad one"... Is murder better than rape? Should we ban all action movies then?

Once again: it's just a kind of artistic film and nothing else. Doesn't matter if it's erotic, porn or action movie

[Due]

Why would they care. It's legal in Germany, and many other countries in the world.
People can just run into a porn shop and buy a rape DVD and pay with their same bank card.

This is Webbilling, they process for EU debit cards. This content is legal in the EU.

There should be no other discussion about morals, everyone here works in PORN, everyone has different morals, but that doesn't mean everyone just have to follow YOUR morals.

Actually they can buy rape, beast, water-sports, scat, etc and pay it all with your Visa or Mastercard, the larger stores take AMEX too.

Visa & MC doesn't give a shit what you with their cards as long as it doesn't require more $ in customer service than it brings in to them.

That's why AMEX dropped adult completely back in the days

[Due]

Interesting. So to most of the people who replied, there is no difference at all between a police drama, where the they try to stop a rapist, and selling something to of get off on the idea of raping women? To me, there is a difference between acknowledging that crime happens versus promoting rape as erotic.

Just as you might watch Law and Order with your family, you're just as comfortable sitting down with dinner and watching a rape porn, where they present a woman screaming in anguish as the best part of a fun Saturday night? That's interesting, if so.

If you think there IS a difference between a drama that mentions a crime having occurred versus promoting the idea of rape as the way to get your rocks off, it might be interesting to ponder just what that difference is.

I think it mignt be that it's ok to have a cop drama and that doesn't necesarily make it ok to promote the idea off rape as being erotic or acceptable.

I'd say the difference is probably that people here knows it's fake, they know the porn-stars most of the time is just counting the minutes till the scene is over and probably doesn't consider it exciting or even erotic the same way as most consumers do.

I catch myself looking more at/for "mistakes/errors/stupidness" in porn acting rather than actually considering / enjoying the fact that you are looking at a widespread pussy or whatever scene you are watching.

[OneHungLo]

LOL...And people wonder and hate why stuff like SOPA is happening...

And what does SOPA have to do with any of this you fucking idiot?

[fuzebox]

And religious nuts who think the stuff that YOU work with/produce is disgusting, are ALSO free to not produce or view your stuff.

Freedom.

I love hypocrisy on gfy!

[raymor]

What's about movies like Rambo where people get killed like popcorn flops? You know, some people get a boner when some "good" action movie guy cuts a throat to a "bad one"... Is murder better than rape?

Anybody who promotes murder as erotic, as a good way to bust a nut, is a sicko. I didn't notice any of that in Rambo. I did notice the "bad guys" were shooting at him before he took them out.

Should we ban all action movies then?

Who said anything about banning anything? Some films fall under their first amendment right to be wrong. Somewhere along the line, many of us forgot there is a huge gap between approving of something and calling for it to be banned. I can respect the first amendment rights of stupid KKK morons and Fred Phelps and still say they are sick twisted bastards. The first amendment says they have a right to be wrong, not that I can't exercise my right to say they are wrong.

[Joshua G]

Anybody who promotes murder as erotic, as a good way to bust a nut, is a sicko. I didn't notice any of that in Rambo. I did notice the "bad guys" were shooting at him before he took them out.

the irony, mr. ray, is that mainstream horror movies (1972 last house on left, megan is missing) perfectly capture the essence of rape/murder erotica, where rape porn fails very badly. But the mainstream movies are protected speech while the fake XXX rape will get you time.

[blackmonsters]

sorry dude. most rape content is not produced by forcing innocent girls to take it in the ass, or else. The rape genre is 90% standard fare with bad setup, a few slaps, & a tattooed cock whore badly pretending she dont like it. In addition, many bondage sites make it quite obvious at the end of the scene that the content was consensual.

you are referring to a handful of producers who con & coerce their talent into extreme sex they didnt intend to do. These producers attempt to capture, in essence, real rape. That type of scene is found in numerous genres. Those who like that stuff know where to find it, & its not by searching for rape on google.

Well, good thing that I don't read or I would have posted this response :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extreme...ty_prosecution

Kristi Myst broke down during the filming of In The Days of Whore. After having had anal sex for several hours with three men she was told that she had to do anal with another seven men, although she had not agreed to this before the shoot. At this point Myst began crying and wanted to walk off the set and quit the business rather than complete her scene. She eventually relented after being consoled by Tom Byron. Brandon Iron who was present has said the incident was "the foulest thing I have ever witnessed" on a porn shoot.[23][24]

People who make laws don't give a shit about the 90%.

- 90% of people who do drugs don't become addicts
- 90% of murderers didn't mean to do it.
- 90% of drunk drivers never crashed and killed someone's family.
- 90% of rapist thought she wanted it




BTW : Notice how the wiki says that Kristi Myst "relented" rather than "consented". Hmmmmmmmm?

[Captain Kawaii]

And what does SOPA have to do with any of this you fucking idiot?

Well, Moron...And I use the term generously...If you can read, then you will notice that governments all over the world, as we speak, are tightening controls over the internet, credit card companies are restricting usage, banks are losing their status, many are folding and the conservative right is using extreme porn and millions of other things to enforce their points, you ignorant cunt.

SOPA is part of a multi prong attack. You think FaceBook is moving to Sweden cause its cold for the servers? LOL. Zuckerberg woke up and realized the writing is on the wall for the US...

I dont see the point in making sites like the OP presented. But they exist and I do not care for them nor do I care about them - They can do what they want... I just hope their existence does not bring the MAN further down our collective asses than he already is.

[DamianJ]

I remember that thread about a sponsor full of bestiality and everyone start screaming like old virgin ladies, stupid idiots...

Yeah god loves people who suck horse cock.

[AllAboutCams]

i watched a documentary on Maxhardcore how does he get away with that shit.

[travs]

holy shit I can't believe I wasted 1 minute of my life

[just a punk]

the irony, mr. ray, is that mainstream horror movies (1972 last house on left, megan is missing) perfectly capture the essence of rape/murder erotica, where rape porn fails very badly. But the mainstream movies are protected speech while the fake XXX rape will get you time.

Exactly

2raymor: "Irréversible" has some long and very natural (explicit, graphic etc) scene of rape. Which is far more realistic than all these pathetic fake rape sites discussed in this thread. Google about it and you'll find out how many people found it extremely sexy. Tell me please why the hell this scene is doing in that movie? Is there some "artistic" reason for it? The answer is NO! It was included to make a bestseller. So everything is about money. The Irreversible made Monica Bellucci famous, but the rape simulated port will put its author into the US jail. What an irony? )

What about "Hostel", "A Serbian Film", "Saw" etc? No one normal person will want watch it. What sort of people is being targeted by these movies? Think about it.

[OneWhoKnows]

Why would they care. It's legal in Germany, and many other countries in the world.

Why do several ppl in here post that rape porn is legal in Germany? It's absolutely not:

Section 184a

Distribution of pornography depicting violence or sodomy

Whosoever

1. disseminates;

2. publicly displays, presents, or otherwise makes accessible; or

3. produces, obtains, supplies, stocks, offers, announces, commends, or undertakes to import or export, in order to use them or copies made from them within the meaning of Nos 1 or 2 above or facilitates such use by another, pornographic written materials (section 11 (3)) that have as their object acts of violence or sexual acts of persons with animals

shall be liable to imprisonment of not more than three years or a fine.

Taken from the official English translation of the German Criminal Code, which you can view here: http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/en...#StGB_000P184a

It clearly says "that have as their object acts of violence", so it's just the topic that matters, not if during the production a real rape has occured or it was simulated. The depiction of acts of sexual violence is enough already to make it illegal - in case you produce the content to disseminate, publicly display, present it or otherwise make it accessible. Which is the case if you distribute it on a website, I'd say.

So distributing material online that is illegal in a countries where the audience the site aims at comes from makes that problematic without a doubt, especially as the direct debit Webbilling offers aims at a German audience.

[Paul Markham]

The law in the US is basically what you just said.
The fine line between obscenity and art is what it comes down to in court.

Not just the courts if you run a business.

It's funny watching some of these guys argue about what is legal, right, wrong, acceptable fake or real. They're like leaves arguing with the wind or me shouting at clouds.

If you don't want to face a policeman at your door, he might not wait for you to open it. Holding a warrant, summons or charging you. Make bloody sure you don't cross the line. I did face it and it happened.

If you want to keep your business going, make sure your content won't upset billing, processing and hosting companies. If you want to keep your domains, make sure you conform to the new laws coming soon.

Posting on GFY about what's right or wrong about any of the above reasons to be careful. Makes my shouting at clouds look sane.

[Dirty Dane]

By definition it can't be rape if it's between consenting adults. But illustrations of rape can be boycotted or made illegal as long censorship is legal.

[Matyko]

adapt or get raped.

[Cherry7]

See a need for a lot of people to watch some French cinema to get up to speed on what you can see on the big screen.

[ArsewithClass]

It's funny watching some of these guys argue about what is legal, right, wrong, acceptable fake or real.

Some people believe any adult content is wrong, morally or just pervacious! Anyone arguing what part of porn is right or wrong is just stupid.

We're in the adult business, deal with it! It's not real, it's erotic fantasy, it's for wanking. People watching this type of content are not fucked up neither....

Anyone watching films with cars & buildings blown up... happening also in real life. They don't go out & start blowing things up. Is this going to stop you watching action movies, no


I filmed a hardcore gangbang scene, it was 5 guys and Natalie, all enjoying themselves. They banged her front & back, facials & creampies, holding her down & really getting physical... A few vodkas & redbull on a friday night, I'm uploading the content to 1 of our paysites. I wrote 'Natalie gets raped by 5 guys', Why, well I was a little tipsy & feeling horny, was just spicing something already hardcore & spicy up, for the POS.
Due to a few guys on a forum, they mailed Epoch, Frank, who I get on very well with, phoned me & said, ahhh mate, I'm sorry but we have to remove your site due to VISA

Paul is right, VISA force the control, the billing companies allow anything, they think business not pleasure