test joins .. test joins ... test joins ...

[ITraffic]

all this time spent posting could have been spent building.

[lucas131]

Originally Posted by ITraffic

all this time spent posting could have been spent building.

[Relentless]

Originally Posted by ITraffic

all this time spent posting could have been spent building.

www.EngineFood.com

Part of what I do is write text as a service provide for site owners on the sponsor and affiliate levels. For me, every post is an example of my work and a demonstration of how quickly I can generate content people actually read or reply to due to the fact that it is written in a truly engaging way. You can hire me to do the same for your own blogs, paysites, email campaigns etc. Why anyone else spends so much time in a thread like this is always surprising to me

[arock10]

Originally Posted by Relentless

www.EngineFood.com

Part of what I do is write text as a service provide for site owners on the sponsor and affiliate levels. For me, every post is an example of my work and a demonstration of how quickly I can generate content people actually read or reply to due to the fact that it is written in a truly engaging way. You can hire me to do the same for your own blogs, paysites, email campaigns etc. Why anyone else spends so much time in a thread like this is always surprising to me

Gotta lay in bed and/or poo sometime

[Relentless]

Originally Posted by arock10

Gotta lay in bed and/or poo sometime

The or part makes a lot more sense than the and part in your sentence.
You do not seem to choose your words with much care.

[arock10]

Originally Posted by Relentless

The or part makes a lot more sense than the and part in your sentence.
You do not seem to choose your words with much care.

It was obviously intentional, was my shout out to currentlysober

[arock10]

Originally Posted by Relentless

www.EngineFood.com

Part of what I do is write text as a service provide for site owners on the sponsor and affiliate levels. For me, every post is an example of my work and a demonstration of how quickly I can generate content people actually read or reply to due to the fact that it is written in a truly engaging way. You can hire me to do the same for your own blogs, paysites, email campaigns etc. Why anyone else spends so much time in a thread like this is always surprising to me

Also, by saying this you could be actually pushing misinformation to continue the discussion to enrich yourself... you know, like what the media does. Sensationalizing news based on questionable facts to get a response. Kills your credibility when its profit motivated

[OldJeff]

Originally Posted by Relentless

www.EngineFood.com

Part of what I do is write text as a service provide for site owners on the sponsor and affiliate levels. For me, every post is an example of my work and a demonstration of how quickly I can generate content people actually read or reply to due to the fact that it is written in a truly engaging way. You can hire me to do the same for your own blogs, paysites, email campaigns etc. Why anyone else spends so much time in a thread like this is always surprising to me

Because some of us have no life

[Relentless]

Originally Posted by arock10

Also, by saying this you could be actually pushing misinformation to continue the discussion to enrich yourself... you know, like what the media does. Sensationalizing news based on questionable facts to get a response. Kills your credibility when its profit motivated

Kills my credibility on GFY? Are you new here? You just finished owning a post about defecating in your own bed while posting.

The logic of what I post speaks for itself.
There is nothing incredible about $ / click being the basis of all affiliate marketing.

My credibility is rock solid, and that has very little to do with anyone's GFY posts.

[arock10]

Originally Posted by Relentless

Kills my credibility on GFY? Are you new here? You just finished owning a post about defecating in your own bed while posting.

The logic of what I post speaks for itself.
There is nothing incredible about $ / click being the basis of all affiliate marketing.

My credibility is rock solid, and that has very little to do with anyone's GFY posts.

It's gfy lol, you really think I am sitting in bed shitting myself? Are you new here?

I wasn't saying anything about your credibility, sorry you took it that way. I was merely speaking about the writing of texts that can be overly sensational to create a response from the viewer. Someone could push a view contrary to the original poster to drum up more exposure for their business, that's all.

Again, I still disagree $ / click is the basis of all affiliate marketing, too many variables for it to be that simple.

[Jel]

I can't find it - who has/can find the link to a piece by an old timer stating why PPS is always better than revshare? I can't even remember who wrote it now, I thought it was LeeNoga but G searches aren't returning anything so maybe someone else entirely

[lucas131]

hey hey hey!

[Aka_Bluey]

Originally Posted by Jel

I can't find it - who has/can find the link to a piece by an old timer stating why PPS is always better than revshare? I can't even remember who wrote it now, I thought it was LeeNoga but G searches aren't returning anything so maybe someone else entirely

Is this the one?

So...who says REVSHARE does not pay??
https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=599336


.

[Jel]

nah, I've tried again but still can't find it. basically it was a well put way of why PPS > revshare. Using 35PPS as the amount, with PPS you make the sale, get your money. With revshare on 29.95 a month at 50/50 you have to wait until the 3rd month to earn more than you would have with the PPS.

Most whales (most, not all) go for the PPS every time (though are more than likely on more than 35 anyways) because 1) it's guaranteed 2) instant cash flow to plow back into their biz.

Obviously times have changed (was written ? long ago, at least 6 or 7, most likely 10 - 12 years), but current climate you do well for all your average joins to average at 2 months worth of rebills, to then bring you to the profitable 3 months total.

$ per click still 'outdoes' that in terms of data available to decide where to send clicks, but somewhere up top of this page, or on the previous page, someone asked about pps v revshare, or something. Bit bored now to check 100% what it was lol.

Ofc, this is for traditional paysites, not cams/dating which may or may not give far better retention/repeat spend, and ofc also depends on the dating/cam site/program.

Short version: Relentless is still correct

[Relentless]

Back in the day I'd expect PPS vs RevShare also depended somewhat on your traffic. With review site traffic that is largely self-directed I almost always started on RevShare and only switched to PPS on sites that didn't perform well. These days with so much consumer fraud and prepaid credit cards etc PPS is too big a risk for many programs and RevShare is not as good a bet as it used to be for many affiliates.

All that being said... we are now discussing ways to improve your $/click.... not ways to ignore it in favor of conspiracy theories and nonsense.

[fuzebox]

The problem with revshare vs pps is it doesn't take into account the fact that program revenue is generated from a lot more than just the initial membership of which you are getting a percentage on.

[Maraschino]

Relentless, what do you use/recommend to track your clicks?

[Klen]

Originally Posted by lucas131

hey hey hey!

[lucas131]

$/Relentless ... man, this guy is ill ... repeating and repeating and repeating ... oh man, he dont even know how boring he is ...

[Bourke]

pot, meet kettle....

[Relentless]

Originally Posted by Maraschino

Relentless, what do you use/recommend to track your clicks?

My backend is custom coded by www.AdultCoder.com who I highly recommend. I know there are also many box solutions but I've honestly not tried them so I wouldn't be able to recommend one. My suggestion is you start a new thread asking and someone will point you in the right direction. The 12th page of a thread where people fail to see the significance is not likely to bring you the answer you need.

Never send clicks you can't count yourself
Never buy clicks you can't track yourself

[Relentless]

Originally Posted by lucas131

$/Relentless ... man, this guy is ill ... repeating and repeating and repeating ... oh man, he dont even know how boring he is ...

$/Relentless will always be a better value than $/shaveconspiracythread
My participation in this thread adds easily verifiable information. Yours adds rumors and guesses.
Sorry if useful information is more boring to you than libel and nonsense.

[Penny24Seven]

Originally Posted by arock10

It was obviously intentional, was my shout out to currentlysober

even I got that. I think it is time to accept he is a huge part of GFY and without him it would go to shit.

[lucas131]

Originally Posted by Relentless

$/Relentless will always be a better value than $/shaveconspiracythread
My participation in this thread adds easily verifiable information. Yours adds rumors and guesses.
Sorry if useful information is more boring to you than libel and nonsense.

it is like you go to cinema and start telling people that theatre is better ... still again and again ... everyone told you already to gtfo because they are in cinema, and you still telling them that theatre is better ... got it? finally? great and congrats!

[Relentless]

Like most of your comments, your analogy is also false.

In reality it is like you watch a movie in the cinema and say it is terrible with claims that are mostly false, and ten ignorant people in the cinema say you are right. However, there are many more people also watching who do not say anything, but they agree the movie is not bad and your commentary is mostly bullshit. Then you get annoyed when one of the many who know your nonsense is false takes the time to explain exactly why it is false. Meanwhile the studio that makes the movies says fuck it, from now on I'll have friends over to watch them at my own house instead of bringing them to the cinema. Soon the cinema is full of only the ten people who agree with you and no movies.

I suggest you learn to make your own movies or learn how to enjoy the movies other studios make.

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by Brian837

....without him it would go to shit.

I see what you did there.

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by lucas131

$/Relentless ... man, this guy is ill ... repeating and repeating and repeating ... oh man, he dont even know how boring he is ...

He is in business with ruseful, so part of his agenda to distract everybody from not counting sales accident that you discovered.
Although it is becoming laughable how he is repeating his point of view over and over

[Relentless]

Originally Posted by mineistaken

He is in business with ruseful, so part of his agenda to distract everybody

I own review sites that have pushed sales to 100s of sponsors as an affiliate, I own EngineFood which provides 3-5 millions words of text each year to sponsors and affiliates, I own my own paysite network that competes with other sponsors, and I own WebsiteSecure.org which is used by 100s of sites in mainstream and adult along with hundreds of other sites in my networks. You are idiotically claiming I have a hidden agenda because I said you should send your traffic where it will earn you the most money per click.

You will have a hard time finding people I haven't done business with in one way or another over the years, and you will have an even harder time finding someone who did not benefit from the business we did together. That is what builds credibility... not your GFY post count.

Are you really that thick?

[OldJeff]

Originally Posted by Relentless

Are you really that thick?

I'll take "What is Yes of $1000 Alex"

https://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=20012053&postcount=19

[fuzebox]

Originally Posted by mineistaken

He is in business with ruseful, so part of his agenda to distract everybody from not counting sales accident that you discovered.
Although it is becoming laughable how he is repeating his point of view over and over

Relentless was in this thread from the start, long before Ruseful was even brought up

[Relentless]

@Fuzebox

If you search back on GFY over the years, this shaving nonsense gets brought up every few years by a new genius who can't comprehend that $ / clicks is what counts. I'm in all those threads too, because I believe credibility and trust are essential to doing business. For that reason, when someone does something wrong that is significant and can be proven (i.e. ePassporte, IBill, and dozens of other examples) I am all for skewering the dbags who do those sorts of things.

That same logic applies to the opposite side of the equation. The people who act like a bug, that caused possibly .28% of 1 join to be lost, is somehow on that same level are libeling good companies and making it harder, not easier, to get rid of the bad ones. Worse than that, a simple phone call to CCBill would have resolved much of this nonsense in 30 seconds. Instead we have 12 pages of false attacks and now because the other false attacks are proven to be nonsense, the same angry mob has decided to attack my credibility rather than accept the truth. It's a good thing I've put years into fortifying my credibility.

By the way Fuzebox, contact me on ICQ or Skype when you have a moment...

[bean-aid]

Since this is a $ / click discussion now... I will give you 2 scenarios and they are my numbers on an adult site:

Stage 1 site (was simply a site which used images and gave credit to those images via banner to sponsor) : $ / unique to site was .3 cents per unique

Stage 2 site (purchased all content and made it a paysite) : $ / unique to site was 13.3 cents per unique

niche...

Teencat... you should look at Pompousjons proposal to you and take it very serious.

[Relentless]

Originally Posted by beaner

Since this is a $ / click discussion now... I will give you 2 scenarios and they are my numbers on an adult site: Stage 1 site (was simply a site which used images and gave credit to those images via banner to sponsor) : $ / unique to site was .3 cents per unique. Stage 2 site (purchased all content and made it a paysite) : $ / unique to site was 13.3 cents per unique niche...Teencat... you should look at Pompousjons proposal to you and take it very serious.

I asked pages ago, if people believe they can do better, why don't they actually put their money/time/effort/expertise where their mouth is... and all I got back was a reply from mopek1 saying he knows he can't do it better. I'd love to see quality programs get launched by people who believe they can do better than what is already out there. That is what business is all about.

[bean-aid]

Originally Posted by Relentless

I asked pages ago, if people believe they can do better, why don't they actually put their money/time/effort/expertise where their mouth is... and all I got back was a reply from mopek1 saying he knows he can't do it better. I'd love to see quality programs get launched by people who believe they can do better than what is already out there. That is what business is all about.

If it is better or not is one thing. My point is when you have ability to generate organic traffic to whatever site it is much better to keep that traffic on the site and bill it for something. Once you have to take your traffic and filter it out again you not only greatly reduce the clicks out... you greatly reduce YOUR potential money from YOUR uniques.

Nothing wrong with making something better either though.

[mopek1]

Whatever 'clever' replies people throw at this thread one thing is certain.

That they are trying to derail it.

[Relentless]

Originally Posted by mopek1

Whatever 'clever' replies people throw at this thread one thing is certain. That they are trying to derail it.

Yes. Anyone who disagrees with your preconceived notions is trying to derail you from crashing into your flawed conclusions.

That is true of any conversation.

[Useless Warrior]

Relentless - I have a bad habit of siding with the person who is the most intelligently written in a thread, which is clearly you as it pertains to this thread. But holy fuck, you are the most dull, repetitive SOB on the Internet today. Even if had I agreed with your argument, I would have changed my mind by now. You are gaining NOTHING by droning on about libel and $/click. Bloody hell, I had to skip a lot of your posts for fear of falling asleep.

[Relentless]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

Relentless - I have a bad habit of siding with the person who is the most intelligently written in a thread, which is clearly you as it pertains to this thread. I had to skip a lot of your posts for fear of falling asleep.

I'm glad you enjoy my writing. Sleep well.

[3xmedia]

596 shavers.

[2030]

Originally Posted by 3xmedia

596 shavers.

what was your previous nick

[freecartoonporn]

bump for teencat.

[Magnetron]

TC, would you at least consider startng a new thread for each new test?

Or do you plan on continuing to hijack Relentless's $ / Clicks? / Writer for Hire thread?

[TubeSubmitters]

This thread delivers

[TubeSubmitters]

Did you do any more tests btw? So much crap in the thread, can't find anything useful.

[freecartoonporn]

Originally Posted by AdultDesigns

Did you do any more tests btw? So much crap in the thread, can't find anything useful.

add relentless to your ignore list and it will be clear.

[Matt 26z]

Originally Posted by AdultDesigns

Did you do any more tests btw? So much crap in the thread, can't find anything useful.

For anyone that missed it earlier....

[Relentless]

For anyone who missed it earlier....

1) I own review sites that have pushed sales to 100s of sponsors as an affiliate, I own EngineFood which provides 3-5 millions words of text each year to sponsors and affiliates, I own my own paysite network that competes with other sponsors, and I own WebsiteSecure.org which is used by 100s of sites in mainstream and adult, along with hundreds of other sites in my networks. You are idiotically claiming I have a hidden agenda because I said you should send your traffic where it will earn you the most money per click. Are you really that thick?

You will have a hard time finding people I haven't done business with in one way or another over the years, and you will have an even harder time finding someone who did not benefit from the business we did together. That is what builds credibility... not your GFY post count.


2) If you know your $ / click nobody can shave you because the amount they pay you per click does not change. The more they shave, the lower they pay, and the sooner they won't be your top paying sponsor - in which case you would move your traffic away. The only way they can shave and keep your traffic is if they covert and retain so well that they manage to remain your top paying sponsor, in which case you would be a fool to move your traffic. It's very simple math.


3) Matt26v is terrible at photoshop

[Relentless]

By the way... thanks for starting this thread.

It did allow me to meet Jel and Fuzebox for the first time.
So some business will get done as a direct result of the interaction here.

[Magnetron]

Originally Posted by freecartoonporn

add relentless to your ignore list and it will be clear.

Fuck! Why didn't you say that back on page one?!?!?!

[mopek1]

Originally Posted by Magnetron

Writer for Hire thread?

LOL

I thought he was a 'Bro' ?