So...who says REVSHARE does not pay??

[AmateurWealth]

So..there has been some speculation and debunking going on lately on revshare not working for affiliates???


LOL

our first 45 days....program wide averages!!

885 joins $18,245.00 paid out to affiliates....

$20.61 AVERAGE PER JOIN ....not to mention month 2 not even over yet!!!

next month this will easily exceed $30 per join....sorry...but i have to chuckle at the fact you say PPS is ALWAYS better than revshare.....just not true ...

Our affiliates are taking it to the bank.....and in only 60 days.....not 6 months...

Oh yeah...AND we did it with no exits,shaving...or anything else.....

We tried one pre checked cross...but pulled it....not to our liking...

One day everyone will get the picture.....quality still sells AND retains!!!

[MrIzzz]

amen brother AW


this is true, I've always been a big fan of revshare when it came to quality sponsors just like us

[Dirty F]

Id like to see your stats again in 6 months. I really dont believe in revshare anymore. 99% of the revshare programs out there cant be 35 per sale.

You can have all the fucking content you want, as exclusive as it can get. Tons of surfers sign up and before anything else they cancel their membership and THEN browse the site. For every surfer who does this you need another one rebilling for months if you want to get to the 35 per sale.

[seven]

You can have all the fucking content you want, as exclusive as it can get. Tons of surfers sign up and before anything else they cancel their membership and THEN browse the site. For every surfer who does this you need another one rebilling for months if you want to get to the 35 per sale.

If that's true PPS must be paying $35/signup out of their own asses There's no money in porn.. i mean no money in revshare. Shit! I gotta go to the toilet see if i can poop out $35 bills/shit

[AmateurWealth]

Id like to see your stats again in 6 months. I really dont believe in revshare anymore. 99% of the revshare programs out there cant be 35 per sale.

You can have all the fucking content you want, as exclusive as it can get. Tons of surfers sign up and before anything else they cancel their membership and THEN browse the site. For every surfer who does this you need another one rebilling for months if you want to get to the 35 per sale.

Franck...unfortuantely TGP and MGP's have "conditioned" surfers to do this as well as email marketing....what you are seeing is the long term affect of that marketing procedure....

If you try several different programs and the same thing happens every time...then you probably have to begin to look at the quality of your traffic....

"bookmarkers" who visit a TGP once a week buy a trial and cancel and the program pays the TGP owner $35 everytime this happens will eventually go broke...why do you think a lot of TGP webmasters are constantly looking for "NEW" programs?

How many times do you hope to be paid $35 for the same surfer??

I have been doing this a long time and i see MANY MANY sufers who have joined large programs 6-8 times OR MORE...the SAME PERSON!!

this is why big changes will be coming for this industry real soon.....the PPS model is fading out FAST...and the surfer that joins/cancels/joins will become a thing of the past...or at least your credit for that surfer will....

TGP guys are always wondering why their stats keep dropping.....its because the surfers have joined every program you promote.....i would love to see how many big TGP's have the same surfers every friday....


I will be happy to post stats in 6 months...i am that cofident in what we are doing....and our affiliates will be happy as well....

[seeric]

yah all those rebills i see each day in the stats daily are just a figment of my imagination. lol.

[Linkster]

I as well would love to see the rate per join as well as the rate per click after 6 months - as after looking at stats for just about every revshare program out there over the last 6 years (and yes some of the stats were only over 6 months as the program had only been open that long) - not a single one could claim $35 per and that was with very targetted niche SE traffic.
The best was a niche Im not going to reveal but only has one "real" site out there for the niche (with an affiliate program that is) and they came close (around $33 average)

[Tapaz]

RevShare Pay! With thesponsor in my sig I made crazy rebills ! If the sponsor is a quality one is the way to go! Definitely!

[Dirty F]

yah all those rebills i see each day in the stats daily are just a figment of my imagination. lol.

Do they average $35 per surfer that joined?

[Pete-KT]

yah all those rebills i see each day in the stats daily are just a figment of my imagination. lol.

Yupt hey sure are, i guess someone logs into my nats and adds those numbers just so i am happy

[Dirty F]

RevShare Pay! With thesponsor in my sig I made crazy rebills ! If the sponsor is a quality one is the way to go! Definitely!

Have you ever calculated how much you made in the end per user?

[AmateurWealth]

I as well would love to see the rate per join as well as the rate per click after 6 months - as after looking at stats for just about every revshare program out there over the last 6 years (and yes some of the stats were only over 6 months as the program had only been open that long) - not a single one could claim $35 per and that was with very targetted niche SE traffic.
The best was a niche Im not going to reveal but only has one "real" site out there for the niche (with an affiliate program that is) and they came close (around $33 average)

Linkster...you also have to take into account the NUMBER of joins....

If you avg $25.00 per join revshare but do 50 joins per month($1250)

or get $35 per join and only average 30 joins ($1050).....who you gonna promote?

At the end of the day its all about the paycheck.....

[Dollarmansteve]

cashflow. time value of money. risk.

for those who dont worry about those things, revshare is awesome.

[Dirty F]

Linkster...you also have to take into account the NUMBER of joins....

If you avg $25.00 per join revshare but do 50 joins per month($1250)

or get $35 per join and only average 30 joins ($1050).....who you gonna promote?

At the end of the day its all about the paycheck.....

I dont think the sign up ratio was the topic of this discussion?

[AmateurWealth]

Have you ever calculated how much you made in the end per user?

Franck...any revshare sponsor worth their salt will show stats.....i have already said we do not hide any numbers from our affiliates or anyone else...just have to work harder to make the $$ in the end....

[Dirty F]

Franck...any revshare sponsor worth their salt will show stats.....i have already said we do not hide any numbers from our affiliates or anyone else...just have to work harder to make the $$ in the end....

Yeah yeah thats cool...just come back when you average 35 per join. All members. No exceptions.

[AmateurWealth]

Yeah yeah thats cool...just come back when you average 35 per join. All members. No exceptions.

How about if i just hang out anyways....and when we do hit $35 per join....

you admit you are wrong......

[Dirty F]

How about if i just hang out anyways....and when we do hit $35 per join....

you admit you are wrong......

Oh sure, and im not saying its impossible in general or that you cant do it. Im just saying 99% of the revshare sponsors out there cant do it.

[FilthyRob]

I have always liked revshare. I have had some people rebill on programs I haven't promoted for what seems like years and still getting checks every month. (Knock on wood)

[Dirty F]

I have always liked revshare. I have had some people rebill on programs I haven't promoted for what seems like years and still getting checks every month. (Knock on wood)

Yeah cool but how much money did you lose pushing that same sponsor?

[Tapaz]

Have you ever calculated how much you made in the end per user?

took me a while to calculate it now 300$+ per user , as I said rebills with Livebucks are crazy talking to the owners they told me some freak spend 200k year . Thats huge , but the quality of the streaming is amazing must be for that

[AmateurWealth]

Yeah cool but how much money did you lose pushing that same sponsor?

How do you LOSE by getting rebills for YEARS??

I still get revshare FLASHCASH checks from 2000.....wonder how much i made per join with them??

[Dirty F]

How do you LOSE by getting rebills for YEARS??

I still get revshare FLASHCASH checks from 2000.....wonder how much i made per join with them??

Do i have to explain that? What is this whole topic about?

If you have send them 500 members of which 90% cancelled the first month (which happens with a lot of programs) then you need rebills coming from those 3 persons for another 40 years to reach that 35 per signup.

[Dirty F]

How do you LOSE by getting rebills for YEARS??

I still get revshare FLASHCASH checks from 2000.....wonder how much i made per join with them??

Uhm damn...i really wonder how you can forget the whole issue we are talking about here. The members who DONT rebill.

[gooddomains]

hmmmm, that makes me think

[rip raster]

Do they average $35 per surfer that joined?

I get over $40 per join on all the revshare programs that I promote

[Dirty F]

I get over $40 per join on all the revshare programs that I promote

Then you are joining the right ones. My guess is either dating or a very specific niche.

[OldSchoolJim]

Uhm damn...i really wonder how you can forget the whole issue we are talking about here. The members who DONT rebill.

No..Franck...we are talking about the AVERAGE $$ AMOUNT PER JOIN!!

This has nothing to do with the people that cancel.....it is all about how much you earn..per join sent...

so the dollars earned per join will go up as long as you have recurring....its not rocket science man...


Franck is my favorite target nowdays....

[rip raster]

Then you are joining the right ones. My guess is either dating or a very specific niche.

no dating sites but all do have exclusive content and most of the programs have at least five sites in their members area

[Dirty F]

No..Franck...we are talking about the AVERAGE $$ AMOUNT PER JOIN!!

This has nothing to do with the people that cancel.....it is all about how much you earn..per join sent...

so the dollars earned per join will go up as long as you have recurring....its not rocket science man...

Dude? Wtf. Is everybody retarded? Read 2 or 3 replies above. Im saying if 90% cancelled their account you need MASSIVE rebills from those 3 or 4 people who died and have their card charged every month. Read read and read again till you understand what i said.

[Dirty F]

Franck is my favorite target nowdays....

And you are so busy trying that you forget to read what i really said.

[Dirty F]

no dating sites but all do have exclusive content and most of the programs have at least five sites in their members area

Ok.

Well as i said its possible, sure...and i know of dating sites that make 80 bucks per member.

[djroof]

Nice stats!

[rip raster]

pps is good for fast cash but revshare will make you more in the long run, just speaking form personal experience here

[seven]

I as well would love to see the rate per join as well as the rate per click after 6 months - as after looking at stats for just about every revshare program out there over the last 6 years (and yes some of the stats were only over 6 months as the program had only been open that long) - not a single one could claim $35 per and that was with very targetted niche SE traffic.
The best was a niche Im not going to reveal but only has one "real" site out there for the niche (with an affiliate program that is) and they came close (around $33 average)

Makes you wonder how any PPS could possibly be paying you $35/signup then doesn't it? Would that be cookie-settings, tracking, shaving or something else It gotta be something since none of all those revshares you pushed over last 6 years could claim $35 per and these PPS popping out of nowhere offering $35 $40 $50 per signup? I guess just the word PPS written in affiliate area makes their site members horny and want to stay members forever and hence justifies that $50 per pop

[Dirty F]

Nice stats!

Which stats?

[OldSchoolJim]

Dude? Wtf. Is everybody retarded? Read 2 or 3 replies above. Im saying if 90% cancelled their account you need MASSIVE rebills from those 3 or 4 people who died and have their card charged every month. Read read and read again till you understand what i said.

I read what you said.....and i am telling YOU it does not MATTER how many cancel....if you only have a 10% conversion ratio...you should not be in fucking biz in the first place....

the bottom line is...this thread was discussing REVSHARE VS. PPS and extolling the virtues of the previous....

YOU came in with the negative and start posting shit that is irrelevant....it does not matter how many cancel...what matters is WHAT YOU EARN PER JOIN!!!

if the 10 that remain rebill for 3 fucking years...then you make out..see how simple that is?

If you like PPS so be it...stick to it big guy...just do not try to talk about shit you obviously are lacking intelligence in.....stick to circle jerking surfers...

[Dirty F]

Makes you wonder how any PPS could possibly be paying you $35/signup then doesn't it? Would that be cookie-settings, tracking, shaving or something else It gotta be something since none of all those revshares you pushed over last 6 years could claim $35 per and these PPS popping out of nowhere offering $35 $40 $50 per signup? I guess just the word PPS written in affiliate area makes their site members horny and want to stay members forever and hence justifies that $50 per pop

I can see that you never heard of upselling, exits, consoles...

[Dirty F]

Makes you wonder how any PPS could possibly be paying you $35/signup then doesn't it? Would that be cookie-settings, tracking, shaving or something else It gotta be something since none of all those revshares you pushed over last 6 years could claim $35 per and these PPS popping out of nowhere offering $35 $40 $50 per signup? I guess just the word PPS written in affiliate area makes their site members horny and want to stay members forever and hence justifies that $50 per pop

I can see that you never heard of upselling, exits, consoles...

[Kenny B!]

I have to agree with the revshare model being more profitable over time from my experience.

I also think anyone who posts sales figures on a message board, especially GFY is usually full of shit.

[Dirty F]

I read what you said.....and i am telling YOU it does not MATTER how many cancel....if you only have a 10% conversion ratio...you should not be in fucking biz in the first place....

the bottom line is...this thread was discussing REVSHARE VS. PPS and extolling the virtues of the previous....

YOU came in with the negative and start posting shit that is irrelevant....it does not matter how many cancel...what matters is WHAT YOU EARN PER JOIN!!!

if the 10 that remain rebill for 3 fucking years...then you make out..see how simple that is?

If you like PPS so be it...stick to it big guy...just do not try to talk about shit you obviously are lacking intelligence in.....stick to circle jerking surfers...

What part about what i said dont you understand?

I said:

Its not impossible to make more with revshare but 99% of the revshare sponsors out there cant make you 35 per join.

Now exactly tell me where im wrong.

[seeric]

I have to agree with the revshare model being more profitable over time from my experience.

I also think anyone who posts sales figures on a message board, especially GFY is usually full of shit.

i believe about .00001% of what i read on any messge board.

nothing against AW but i'd never in a day put my internal data on one of these boards.

its their data they can do what they want with it.

[rip raster]

I usually make more off of rebills than I do sales these days

[TDF]

this thread rocks..and for exclusive content I go revshare

[OldSchoolJim]

Now exactly tell me where im wrong.

Uhm damn...i really wonder how you can forget the whole issue we are talking about here. The members who DONT rebill.

The members who DONT rebill.

just a reminder....

[Tom_PM]

I think it's good to use both. But dont mess with whats working for you either way.

[newbreed]

Let me just jump in here one sec and add...

See sig, click button, get wealthy.

[BlingDaddy]

this thread rocks..and for exclusive content I go revshare

If I think it will rebill over 2 months at least I go revshare. What Franck said above is simple math.

100 joins at $35 PPS = $3500

100 joins at a revshare of say $14.97 is = $1497.00

Now... assume that 100% of them rebill 2nd month.... (yeah right) then it's $2994.00

The bottom line is it goes both ways.

[seven]

Oh sure, and im not saying its impossible in general or that you cant do it. Im just saying 99% of the revshare sponsors out there cant do it.

almost agree except I'd say 95% of either PPS or revshare can't do it but then there's this 5% that can lol. Like I said just the word "PPS" in affiliate area won't make members horny enough to stay members forever for the PPS to justify paying $35/pop. Now you can say they are using exits.. well no there are some proggies that pay $35 exit or not. You can say upsells.. no upsells won't make as much to pay you $35/pop either.

Now the other 5%. I can and have made average $100+/signup with revshares. 1 particular revshare I promoted bought me a big house and enough money to start my own proggy and still making me money after 4 years since I stopped promoting that proggy. I would hate if they ever went PPS on me which would pay me $65/signup less. Now, I only know 1 PPS that believe is good like that and i wish they were a revshare instead so I could make almost 3 times the money with them but hey..

[chadglni]

Makes you wonder how any PPS could possibly be paying you $35/signup then doesn't it? Would that be cookie-settings, tracking, shaving or something else It gotta be something since none of all those revshares you pushed over last 6 years could claim $35 per and these PPS popping out of nowhere offering $35 $40 $50 per signup? I guess just the word PPS written in affiliate area makes their site members horny and want to stay members forever and hence justifies that $50 per pop

It doesn't make me wonder shit. Even if you disregard cross-sales, upsells, traffic leaks etc, you still have the fact that more people promote you when you go PPS so you can work on smaller margins. If a program on revshare 50/50 makes you $33 that means the surfer was worth $66. They can easily pay $35 out of that due to volume.