Is The Deck Being Stacked at the ICANN .xxx Comments Link? - GoFuckYourself.com

davecummings · 09-20-2010, 09:28 AM

Are all of the "supporters" at http://forum.icann.org/lists/xxx-revised-icm-agreement/ really true and direct stakeholders, or are the religious nuts or some other folks or entities stacking the deck against us?

Do you recognize specific .xxx supporters as being legitimate stakeholders from amongst us? If not, please tell ICANN ( and, comment one-way-or-the-other here), AND please post YOUR own comment against .xxx by sending an email to ICANN at [email protected] .

All the comments, both for or against .xxx can be viewed at http://forum.icann.org/lists/xxx-revised-icm-agreement/.

Please protect this Industry by voicing your comments against .xxx. The deadline is listed at the ICANN site as "11:59 a.m. Pacific Daylight time (18:59 UTC) on 23 September 2010". Please submit your BEFORE this coming Thursday.

The opening page at www.freespeechcoalition.com contains useful/helpful info.

OK?

BestXXXPorn · 09-20-2010, 09:33 AM

Well for one, they sent out spam requesting anyone that had preregistered a domain send in a comment in support of...

I think that should be mentioned in different peoples' comments... I know it's in mine!

davecummings · 09-20-2010, 09:44 AM

In addition to participating in the link at www.freespeechcoalition.com , I sent in my personal comment to ICANN last night. Here's a copy/paste of it:
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"Most of the REAL Sponsored Community Wants .xxx DEFEATED
To: <xxx-revised-icm-agreement@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Most of the REAL Sponsored Community Wants .xxx DEFEATED
From: "Dave C." <davec@xxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 20:47:46 -0700

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I am a REAL stakeholder, with over 10 years in the Sponsored Community! IMO,
ICANN needs to determine if ICM and all of the people it's motivated to
express support for .xxx are, in fact, REAL stakeholders. IMO, ICANN needs
to make certain that ICANN decides who meets stakeholder and sponsored
community status, and not be swayed by any ICM subjective
preferences/definitions/etc of it.

In my REAL stakeholder opinion, ICANN should permanently and totally deny
the ICM .xxx proposal. It seems to me that relatively few Adult Internet
people are in favor of it, while conversely, relatively MANY of the REAL
stakeholders support ICANN denial of the ICM proposed .xxx contract.

I understand that ICANN might possibly be feeling somewhat swayed due to
concern of an ICM lawsuit if .xxx isn't approved for ICM. IMO, ICANN might
indeed be involved in a multitude of lawsuits if .xxx ISN'T denied, and
those legal actions could be near-term, continuing, and long-term (e.g.,
if/when government "ghetto-ization" requires REAL STAKEHOLDERS to close
sites with .com and other presently recognized tlds, and instead use the ICM
.xxx tld; or, when continuing registry and other "issues/problems" come up,
etc---this could go on for years and years).

I worry that unless ICANN totally and permanently "kills" .xxx THIS time,
ICANN will become so overburdened in resolving matters related to .xxx that
ICANN might become unable to properly accomplish its other primary
priorities and responsibilities.

I understand that the Free Speech Coalition (FSC) has brought many IMPORTANT
issues to ICANN in the last few weeks. IMO, ICANN needs to listen to FSC and
resolve all the matters AND requests that FSC has surfaced to ICANN. Like
many other REAL stakeholders in the Sponsored Community, FSC is the overall
voice for me. ICM does not speak for me (or MANY others of the REAL
stakeholders!).

Dave C."

davecummings · 09-20-2010, 10:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BestXXXPorn

Well for one, they sent out spam requesting anyone that had preregistered a domain send in a comment in support of...

I think that should be mentioned in different peoples' comments... I know it's in mine!

I glad and thankful that you mentioned it in your comment:-)

Paul Markham · 09-20-2010, 10:38 AM

They're going to bring in .XXX domains what ever we say. How many times have they brought it back to the table?

u-Bob · 09-20-2010, 01:24 PM

to the top.

Alprazolam · 09-20-2010, 01:26 PM

hey if you cant win the game in a fair way........... cheat.

davecummings · 09-20-2010, 02:06 PM

To me, this whole .xxx thing is a big noose around our necks, and the ICANN comments opportunity might be our best bet to stop the bottom from falling open beneath our feet (sorta like the what happened to Saddam Hussein when he died).

Alprazolam · 09-20-2010, 03:18 PM

you are a good dude dave. i hope this guy gets a kick in the balls.

Alprazolam · 09-20-2010, 08:03 PM

can you post multiple times?

davecummings · 09-20-2010, 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alprazolam

can you post multiple times?

That's a good question to ask --please ask it by sending an email to [email protected] with a Cc to [email protected] . They told me that inputting to the FSC site's link is OK, and that I could ALSO post my own personal thoughts/opinions/etc at the ICANN site via [email protected] .

Please let us know what FSC tells you--thanks!!

davecummings · 09-21-2010, 09:13 AM

As of just a few minutes ago, for postings thus far today, it's 24-1 in favor of those supporting .xxx to just one against .xxx.

I recognized only three of the 24, two of which might be REAL stakeholders, and Dave Pounder who is a porn producer/talent (because he's pushing to get .xxx approved, I will never recommend him as talent to anyone I know; nor will I ever recommend any releases he's in to anyone asking for info on DVD purchases).

Alprazolam · 09-21-2010, 10:14 AM

those fuckers are trying to stack the deck hard. those are fake comments for sure.

icm is obviously fucking cheating.

davecummings · 09-21-2010, 10:52 AM

Our comments should be submitted by tomorrow.

Amputate Your Head · 09-21-2010, 10:56 AM

.xxx will become reality eventually, with or without consent.

it is another control mechanism. they are trying to get a leash on the Internet.

Alprazolam · 09-21-2010, 02:49 PM

dave, has anyone spoken directly to icann? seems that stuart talks to them all the time. i wish he would get hit by a fucking truck.

Deej · 09-21-2010, 02:52 PM

I have emailed this cause numerous times. I dont see why we need to update our disgust of this situation every year or so.

It would be nice if the people ehind the scenes would knock this shit off.

BTW, how do you email this list again?

Alprazolam · 09-21-2010, 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deej

I have emailed this cause numerous times. I dont see why we need to update our disgust of this situation every year or so.

It would be nice if the people ehind the scenes would knock this shit off.

BTW, how do you email this list again?

[email protected]

Zyber · 09-22-2010, 02:28 AM

Sent mail, and confirmed it... Bump! +1

DWB · 09-22-2010, 03:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davecummings

for postings thus far today, it's 24-1 in favor of those supporting .xxx to just one against .xxx.

Honestly, are you surprised? There is money to be made. Most of the dirt bags in this business would sell their own mothers for $20.

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Dear ICANN,
There was a time when I was opposed to .XXX, but after serious thought, I believe an industry ghetto is exactly what the adult industry deserves. Since we are unable to regulate ourselves in ANY manner, constantly screwing over our customers, screwing over each other, always taking the short cut and now flat out stealing from each other and hiding behind copyright law. Perhaps it is best if someone else or another entity regulates the business for us.

We have proven time and time again that we are inept and totally incapable of doing anything as an industry, other than screwing up and screwing everyone over. It would be in everyone's best interest to approve XXX and stick us where we belong, in the ghetto.

Regards,
Your biggest supporter

DWB · 09-22-2010, 04:01 AM

BTW... The fact that you can send random anonymous emails in to show support or lack of, shows just how fucked in the ass we're getting.

I could hire a warehouse of Filipinos to send bogus mails all day long to them, but it wouldn't matter because they have already decided and are playing everyone for fools. If they were serious, you would have to sumbit some sort of proof that you actually exists.

Simon · 09-22-2010, 04:33 AM

I sent an email to ICANN at [email protected] this morning, got the confirmation email within 5 minutes, went to the website to enter the confirm code they sent (an alternative to just replying to the email) and my comments appeared in the thread about 15 minutes later.

Here's a copy of what I sent them, in hopes it'll inspire a few more people to say something.

Quote:

* To: xxx-revised-icm-agreement@xxxxxxxxx
* Subject: Creating the new .xxx TLD is NOT supported by the Adult Industry
* From: Simon at ExtremePorn <webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
* Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 06:53:39 -0400

I've been actively involved in creating and managing adult entertainment websites for over 13 years. In this time I've made thousands of contacts within the adult industry and actively communicate with several hundred adult website owners on a regular basis. Although between us we own many thousands of adult domain names, in discussing this new proposed .xxx TLD, I have yet to find anyone interested in owning a domain using the .xxx TLD *except* as a way to protect the branding of adult domains they already own.

By this I mean that there are, of course, adult domain owners who would not want someone else owning the .xxx version of a .com website domain they already own and have spent many years and a lot of money to promote and establish. This proposed new .xxx TLD is, in fact, a generally hated idea to almost all webmasters who have spent years investing in .com domains to build commercial adult websites.

The establishment of this new TLD would force current .com domain owners to invest more money in buying .xxx versions of their domains just to protect them from those who would try to profit by misleading consumers into believing they are dealing with the owners of the original .com website when they are instead doing business with a completely different owner--potentially an owner whose only business is to steal business from those who have worked hard to build a real business using .com domains.

I hope those who are in charge of approving or denying the creation of this new proposed .xxx TLD will understand that most of those who have signed up to pre-register a .xxx domain are doing so to protect infringement on their own .com domains. And that aside from those being coerced and extorted into having to do this to protect what they already own, there are those shady operators who are trying to pre-register .xxx domains in order to attempt to infringe on .com domains/websites which they do not own. None of these pre-registrations should be viewed as any real indication of independent interest in the creation of the new .xxx TLD.

For these reasons I'm writing today to protest the establishment of this new TLD which is absolutely *not* needed or wanted by the vast majority of those actually involved in the adult industry.

Simon Stern
Adult Website Owner/Operator

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davecummings · 09-22-2010, 09:03 AM

Time to post (I wonder if those in our Industry who don't post against .xxx are secretly associated with icm????? If so, ?????????????????????????????) .

09-20-2010, 09:28 AM	#1
davecummings Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: San Diego Posts: 2,922	Is The Deck Being Stacked at the ICANN .xxx Comments Link? Are all of the "supporters" at http://forum.icann.org/lists/xxx-revised-icm-agreement/ really true and direct stakeholders, or are the religious nuts or some other folks or entities stacking the deck against us? Do you recognize specific .xxx supporters as being legitimate stakeholders from amongst us? If not, please tell ICANN ( and, comment one-way-or-the-other here), AND please post YOUR own comment against .xxx by sending an email to ICANN at [email protected] . All the comments, both for or against .xxx can be viewed at http://forum.icann.org/lists/xxx-revised-icm-agreement/. Please protect this Industry by voicing your comments against .xxx. The deadline is listed at the ICANN site as "11:59 a.m. Pacific Daylight time (18:59 UTC) on 23 September 2010". Please submit your BEFORE this coming Thursday. The opening page at www.freespeechcoalition.com contains useful/helpful info. OK? __________________ Dave Cummings www.davecummings.com www.davecummings.tv San Diego Email--- [email protected] Last edited by davecummings; 09-20-2010 at 09:29 AM..

09-20-2010, 09:33 AM	#2
BestXXXPorn Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Asheville, NC Posts: 2,277	Well for one, they sent out spam requesting anyone that had preregistered a domain send in a comment in support of... I think that should be mentioned in different peoples' comments... I know it's in mine! __________________ ICQ: 258-202-811 \| Email: eric{at}bestxxxporn.com

09-20-2010, 09:44 AM	#3
davecummings Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: San Diego Posts: 2,922	WE Need to Help Get .xxx Defeated Before Thursday's Deadline. In addition to participating in the link at www.freespeechcoalition.com , I sent in my personal comment to ICANN last night. Here's a copy/paste of it: ----------------------------------------- "Most of the REAL Sponsored Community Wants .xxx DEFEATED To: <xxx-revised-icm-agreement@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: Most of the REAL Sponsored Community Wants .xxx DEFEATED From: "Dave C." <davec@xxxxxxxxxx> Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 20:47:46 -0700 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am a REAL stakeholder, with over 10 years in the Sponsored Community! IMO, ICANN needs to determine if ICM and all of the people it's motivated to express support for .xxx are, in fact, REAL stakeholders. IMO, ICANN needs to make certain that ICANN decides who meets stakeholder and sponsored community status, and not be swayed by any ICM subjective preferences/definitions/etc of it. In my REAL stakeholder opinion, ICANN should permanently and totally deny the ICM .xxx proposal. It seems to me that relatively few Adult Internet people are in favor of it, while conversely, relatively MANY of the REAL stakeholders support ICANN denial of the ICM proposed .xxx contract. I understand that ICANN might possibly be feeling somewhat swayed due to concern of an ICM lawsuit if .xxx isn't approved for ICM. IMO, ICANN might indeed be involved in a multitude of lawsuits if .xxx ISN'T denied, and those legal actions could be near-term, continuing, and long-term (e.g., if/when government "ghetto-ization" requires REAL STAKEHOLDERS to close sites with .com and other presently recognized tlds, and instead use the ICM .xxx tld; or, when continuing registry and other "issues/problems" come up, etc---this could go on for years and years). I worry that unless ICANN totally and permanently "kills" .xxx THIS time, ICANN will become so overburdened in resolving matters related to .xxx that ICANN might become unable to properly accomplish its other primary priorities and responsibilities. I understand that the Free Speech Coalition (FSC) has brought many IMPORTANT issues to ICANN in the last few weeks. IMO, ICANN needs to listen to FSC and resolve all the matters AND requests that FSC has surfaced to ICANN. Like many other REAL stakeholders in the Sponsored Community, FSC is the overall voice for me. ICM does not speak for me (or MANY others of the REAL stakeholders!). Dave C." __________________ Dave Cummings www.davecummings.com www.davecummings.tv San Diego Email--- [email protected]

09-20-2010, 10:38 AM	#5
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	They're going to bring in .XXX domains what ever we say. How many times have they brought it back to the table? __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

09-20-2010, 02:06 PM	#8
davecummings Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: San Diego Posts: 2,922	To me, this whole .xxx thing is a big noose around our necks, and the ICANN comments opportunity might be our best bet to stop the bottom from falling open beneath our feet (sorta like the what happened to Saddam Hussein when he died). __________________ Dave Cummings www.davecummings.com www.davecummings.tv San Diego Email--- [email protected]

09-20-2010, 01:24 PM	#6
u-Bob there's no $$$ in porn Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: icq: 195./568.-230 (btw: not getting offline msgs) Posts: 33,063	to the top.

09-20-2010, 01:26 PM	#7
Alprazolam So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 864	hey if you cant win the game in a fair way........... cheat.

09-20-2010, 03:18 PM	#9
Alprazolam So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 864	you are a good dude dave. i hope this guy gets a kick in the balls.

09-20-2010, 08:03 PM	#10
Alprazolam So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 864	can you post multiple times?

09-21-2010, 09:13 AM	#12
davecummings Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: San Diego Posts: 2,922	As of just a few minutes ago, for postings thus far today, it's 24-1 in favor of those supporting .xxx to just one against .xxx. I recognized only three of the 24, two of which might be REAL stakeholders, and Dave Pounder who is a porn producer/talent (because he's pushing to get .xxx approved, I will never recommend him as talent to anyone I know; nor will I ever recommend any releases he's in to anyone asking for info on DVD purchases). __________________ Dave Cummings www.davecummings.com www.davecummings.tv San Diego Email--- [email protected]

09-21-2010, 10:14 AM	#13
Alprazolam So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 864	those fuckers are trying to stack the deck hard. those are fake comments for sure. icm is obviously fucking cheating.

09-21-2010, 10:52 AM	#14
davecummings Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: San Diego Posts: 2,922	Our comments should be submitted by tomorrow. __________________ Dave Cummings www.davecummings.com www.davecummings.tv San Diego Email--- [email protected]

09-21-2010, 10:56 AM	#15
Amputate Your Head There can be only one Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Somewhere else Posts: 39,075	.xxx will become reality eventually, with or without consent. it is another control mechanism. they are trying to get a leash on the Internet. __________________ SIG TOO BIG

09-21-2010, 02:49 PM	#16
Alprazolam So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 864	dave, has anyone spoken directly to icann? seems that stuart talks to them all the time. i wish he would get hit by a fucking truck.

09-21-2010, 02:52 PM	#17
Deej I make pixels work Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: I live here... Posts: 24,386	I have emailed this cause numerous times. I dont see why we need to update our disgust of this situation every year or so. It would be nice if the people ehind the scenes would knock this shit off. BTW, how do you email this list again? __________________ Deej's Designs n' What Not Hit me up for Design, CSS & Photo Retouching Icq#30096880

09-22-2010, 02:28 AM	#19
Zyber Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 832	Sent mail, and confirmed it... Bump! +1

09-22-2010, 04:01 AM	#21
DWB Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Encrypted. Access denied. Posts: 31,779	BTW... The fact that you can send random anonymous emails in to show support or lack of, shows just how fucked in the ass we're getting. I could hire a warehouse of Filipinos to send bogus mails all day long to them, but it wouldn't matter because they have already decided and are playing everyone for fools. If they were serious, you would have to sumbit some sort of proof that you actually exists.

09-22-2010, 09:03 AM	#23
davecummings Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: San Diego Posts: 2,922	Time to post (I wonder if those in our Industry who don't post against .xxx are secretly associated with icm????? If so, ?????????????????????????????) . __________________ Dave Cummings www.davecummings.com www.davecummings.tv San Diego Email--- [email protected]