Thread about JJ/SOBV went poof?

[fris]

The thread that kingpinmedia made just went poof.

Curious why it was deleted, not locked/closed or kept open.

Maybe a mod can comment why a thread asking questions about a program that disappeared with a load of peoples money would get the benefit over a trusted webmaster who got taken?

[MaDalton]

the thread starter asked for it

[Ayla_SquareTurtle]

Ridiculous.

[Barefootsies]

Sweet justice.

[PlugRush Sascha]

That's some fucked up shit.

[Wizzo]

KingPin asked for it to be...

[CaptainHowdy]

[Chosen]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

the thread starter asked for it

But why?

[TeenCat]

karma works, the fucker will get what he deserve, longer it will take, more it will cost ... enjoy, this is complete bullshit

[kristin]

Originally Posted by Chosen

But why?

Said the thread was getting out of hand and asked for it to be closed.

[Nikki_Licks]

Originally Posted by kristin

Said the thread was getting out of hand and asked for it to be closed.

Well, that's a good reason....

The whole thing of not paying people what is due them is out of hand, if you know what I mean.

Maybe threats of a lawsuit got him worried, who knows.

[lazycash]

I know Eric doesn't want personal info posted, but if ever there was a time to allow it, it should be now. Sobv's failure to make any affiliate payments on all of their sites stands to be the biggest scam we've seen yet in adult affiliate programs. At least let the scammed affiliates interchange important info on who's behind Sobv and who to target legal action against.

[Fat Panda]

complete bullshit

[kristin]

Originally Posted by Nikki_Licks

Well, that's a good reason....

The whole thing of not paying people what is due them is out of hand, if you know what I mean.

Maybe threats of a lawsuit got him worried, who knows.

I think what pisses people off more is that Jason still comes around and keeps an eye on shit. If you are gonna take WMs money, then just do it. Take it and leave. Don't come back reminding us you are a douchebag with everyone's money.

[JFK]

Originally Posted by kristin

I think what pisses people off more is that Jason still comes around and keeps an eye on shit. If you are gonna take WMs money, then just do it. Take it and leave. Don't come back reminding us you are a douchebag with everyone's money.

Agree with your there

[LeivaMedia]

YOU SEE THE AVATAR THAT'S THE MONEY YOU OWE ME WHERE IS IT ?

[Vedder]

i wonder if Kingpin got paid and that's why he asked to close it

[rhizome]

It went poof like whoa

[marktruman]

Yeah kingpin has been quiet, I wonder if he got paid off, makes you think. If thats true, thats bullshit as I know me and a few people are owed 10k+

[Ron Bennett]

Originally Posted by marktruman

Yeah kingpin has been quiet, I wonder if he got paid off, makes you think. If thats true, thats bullshit as I know me and a few people are owed 10k+

If he has ... then that illustrates again that often the squeaky wheel gets the grease, as in paid.

When programs run short of cash and/or closing down, most will never get paid while some will get paid for one or more of the following reasons:

* They're a "bro" and/or have other inside connections to the program.

* Program is winding down, but still active - so selectively paying^ those who are most vocal to string out all the others waiting on payment. This is a very common tactic. ^ (often not in full - usually with promise of further payment later, if they keep quiet / keep sending traffic)

* Those who have potentially damaging information on the operators of the program. Rare, but it happens.

* Those who are perceived as imminently dangerous by the program operators - this is extremely rare as in nearly never happens ... most people talk tough, but rare is the one who actually shows up to collect using "loan shark" break-the-knee-caps tactics.

Digressed a bit, but point is that few will ever collect what's owed.

Hence, affiliate webmasters need to factor not getting paid into their business model; be prepared to switch traffic at the first signs of trouble / diversify.

As far as karma ... while it's nice to believe things even out, the reality is many times they don't. Many scammers get rich (not talking just in adult, but in mainstream as well) and live the high life while those scammed have to work doubly hard to recover their losses.

Ron

[DWB]

Originally Posted by Vedder

i wonder if Kingpin got paid and that's why he asked to close it

Not much gets past you guys these days.

He either got paid or he's now a missing person.

[marktruman]

well if kingpin got paid, then the stuff about JJ selling the company is bullshit, but we knew that anyway

[iSpyCams]

I think intimidation is more likely than payment.

[Nikki_Licks]

Originally Posted by pompousjohn

I think intimidation is more likely than payment.

I think this could be the case, but this does not stop everyone from outing "JJ" the scum bag for ripping off affiliates. I doubt he will have anyone to conduct business with when this is all said and done

[Nikki_Licks]

Originally Posted by kristin

I think what pisses people off more is that Jason still comes around and keeps an eye on shit. If you are gonna take WMs money, then just do it. Take it and leave. Don't come back reminding us you are a douchebag with everyone's money.

Like they say, karma is a bitch, but the only down side to that is everyone who got ripped should be able to witness karma being served to this guy the old fashion way

[pornstar2fag]

Originally Posted by Nikki_Licks

Like they say, karma is a bitch, but the only down side to that is everyone who got ripped should be able to witness karma being served to this guy the old fashion way

Karma is most certainly a bitch. Good one.

Unfortunately, "Everyone who got ripped" is all your customers over the last several years. And yes, I only wish every one of them could see this thread to enjoy the karma being served cold.

[iSpyCams]

Originally Posted by Nikki_Licks

I think this could be the case, but this does not stop everyone from outing "JJ" the scum bag for ripping off affiliates. I doubt he will have anyone to conduct business with when this is all said and done

It makes no difference. One of his partners will step in after the next round of office musical chairs, or a proxy will be hired to front the whole thing for the next round.

And all of you will jump on the bandwagon.

And one or two people will notice similar IP ranges, domains registered by known scammers, strange billing practices etc.

But webmasters will be getting paid for awhile cause thats how you do a Ponzi scheme for the first couple rounds.

SOBV will still make their money and in the end everybody will get screwed AGAIN.

And I will bookmark this post so I can link to it when I say "I told you so".

[Nikki_Licks]

Originally Posted by pompousjohn

It makes no difference. One of his partners will step in after the next round of office musical chairs, or a proxy will be hired to front the whole thing for the next round.

And all of you will jump on the bandwagon.

And one or two people will notice similar IP ranges, domains registered by known scammers, strange billing practices etc.

But webmasters will be getting paid for awhile cause thats how you do a Ponzi scheme for the first couple rounds.

SOBV will still make their money and in the end everybody will get screwed AGAIN.

And I will bookmark this post so I can link to it when I say "I told you so".

I would tend to agree with you! I think we have seen this happen over and over again and the sheep just open the gate to give the scammer?s one more chance to fuck them or anyone else over.

It would be nice, for once, to see everyone ban together and rid the industry of the crooks that they thought was their so called "Bro" who ended up fucking them over.

I learned long ago to trust "no one", and that will never change.

I never promoted their sites, so there won't be any "all of you will jump on the bandwagon" for me.....all I can do is put the name on my list of scumbags and if they return, I will be the first to point them out to anyone not familiar with their nefarious ways.....

[Nikki_Licks]

Originally Posted by pornstar2fag

Karma is most certainly a bitch. Good one.

Unfortunately, "Everyone who got ripped" is all your customers over the last several years. And yes, I only wish every one of them could see this thread to enjoy the karma being served cold.

My customers? Maybe I misunderstood your statement.

As for the karma being served cold, a tongue lashing and being outed on the boards is hardly karma being served.

I have seen people get totally fucked up for less money, if you know what I mean?

[selena]

Was that the thread with the picture ID in it?

[V_RocKs]

Anyone got a business address for SOBV?

[V_RocKs]

Found it... anyone want to buy me a plane ticket?

Sordid Ones BV Dokweg 27 B IJmuiden, Noord Holland 1976CA Netherlands

[iSpyCams]

google street view has a big fucking truck in the way

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&sour...1.39, ,0,7.51

[Vedder]

you might not have to go all the way to the netherlands......

[marktruman]

Apparently, JJ said he sold the revenue stream to a RU mainstream company. He might release a statement soon but it probably wont be of any help..

convinient how we wont ever know who new owners are and no one can say anything about anything

[Robocrop]

Originally Posted by V_RocKs

Found it... anyone want to buy me a plane ticket?

Sordid Ones BV Dokweg 27 B IJmuiden, Noord Holland 1976CA Netherlands

You seriously think they will get scared once you step into their office on their home court?

If its you on the avatar I would ask you to sing a Elvis song and GTFO.

[Roald]

Originally Posted by V_RocKs

Found it... anyone want to buy me a plane ticket?

Sordid Ones BV Dokweg 27 B IJmuiden, Noord Holland 1976CA Netherlands

safe the ticket. That's only a post adress no one will be there. There are tons of programs in Ijmuiden ;)))

[Pornopat]

Originally Posted by V_RocKs

Found it... anyone want to buy me a plane ticket?

Sordid Ones BV Dokweg 27 B IJmuiden, Noord Holland 1976CA Netherlands

I just asked their details at the dutch chamber of commerce.
The owner is named.

People that are interested can icq me.