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TDF · 12-08-2002, 10:33 AM

Two Los Angeles police officers sought to cover up their contact with a 16-year-old gang member who was shot to death on the border of a rival gang's territory just minutes after the officers released him from their patrol car, according to a district attorney's review of the case.

Neither officer, one of whom was accused of dropping off the same youth in rival gang territory as punishment a month earlier, documented the encounter with the victim on the day he was killed.

"It appears, based on this investigation, that [the officers] intentionally withheld information from the homicide detectives, internal affairs investigators and their chain of command," wrote Deputy Dist. Atty. Laura L. Laesecke, who investigated the officers as part of the Rampart scandal. "Not only does their lie obstruct justice, but it also calls into question the veracity of the rest of their ... statements" about the case.

Ultimately, Laesecke concluded that the officers could not be prosecuted for obstructing justice because the best evidence against them came from so-called compelled statements in which they were ordered to cooperate with authorities or face termination from the Los Angeles Police Department. Such statements cannot be used in court against those who made them.

Additionally, Laesecke wrote, the statute of limitations on such a charge had expired. Both officers, Mario Rios and Michael Montoya, deny any wrongdoing and remain on the job.

Montoya, now assigned to the community relations office in Northeast Division, seemed resigned to the criticism he and other officers have faced in the wake of the Rampart scandal.

"This is not the first bad thing that's been said about me. They're not true," Montoya said in a recent interview. "But what can be done about it?"

Montoya and Rios, now assigned to Southeast Division, were charged administratively by LAPD officials with making false statements about the case during an internal affairs investigation.

They were cleared of wrongdoing after they presented a declaration from a retired homicide detective who said he recalled Montoya mentioning that he knew the victim as a police informant, but did not remember whether the officer acknowledged having any contact with him on the day he was killed.

The detective refused to testify at the officers' hearing. In a recent interview with The Times, he declined to comment at length, saying only that he could not recall what the officers told him about their interaction with Eric Vega, known on the streets as "Baby Happy."

The incident, which was documented along with more than 80 other cases recently rejected for prosecution by the district attorney, came to light as part of the investigation into the Rampart scandal, launched in 1999 following the admissions and allegations of corrupt ex-cop Rafael Perez.

The Vega case itself, however, was never mentioned by Perez. Instead, investigators came upon it as they looked into allegations of officer misconduct in another Rampart case.

According to police reports, Montoya and Rios were working an "observation post" in the 1200 block of South Lake Street on Nov. 5, 1996, looking for suspicious gang or drug activity, when they spotted Eva Garcia dealing drugs. Based on their observations, other officers from the Rampart anti-gang CRASH unit swooped in and arrested her.

What the police reports do not state -- and what officers admitted years later during compelled interviews with detectives -- was that while Garcia was being arrested, Vega also was handcuffed and put in the back of Montoya and Rios' squad car.

The officers said later that Vega was not arrested but actually was a police informant who wanted to pass on information to them. He was handcuffed, the officers said, only so that his fellow gang members would not become suspicious of his cooperation.

After a few minutes of driving around with Vega in the car, the officers said, they concluded that Vega did not have any significant information and asked him where he wanted to be dropped off. Vega, they said, asked to be let out near a gang hangout known as El Castillo, where his mother was staying. The officers said they dropped him off there.

Moments later, at 4:39 p.m., Montoya and Rios received a radio call about a shooting. Within a minute, they were at the scene -- the first officers to arrive. The victim, they discovered, was Vega.

The killing occurred on the border of a rival gang's territory and was a couple of blocks from where the officers allegedly released Vega. Witnesses later implicated a rival gang member in the killing, but no arrests have been made.

Montoya said he told a sergeant and the lead homicide detective that night about their contact with the shooting victim. Like the detective, the sergeant said in a recent interview that he had no recollection of any such conversation.

Unaware of Vega's death, his mother and girlfriend went to South Lake Street looking for him about 6 p.m. that day. A neighborhood resident told them Vega had been arrested. They then went to the Rampart station, but were told there was no record of his arrest.

The next day Vega's mother went to Juvenile Hall to find her son, but there was no record of him being there either. When she returned home, she later told police, she learned that her son had been killed shortly after he was taken away by officers the previous day.

Suspicious of the timing, Vega's mother and his girlfriend returned to the police station and claimed that officers were somehow connected to the youth's death. It was at that point that Vega's girlfriend also said she was with her boyfriend about a month earlier when Rios and another officer put Vega in the back of their squad car and drove off.

She said she saw her boyfriend about two hours later, his shirt torn and a frightened look on his face. She said Vega told her the officers gave him a choice: get dropped off in territory of the Mara Salvatrucha gang or the Rockwood gang, both rivals of his 18th Street gang. He said he chose Rockwood.

After Vega got out of the car, he allegedly said, the officers shouted to two of his rivals that Vega was from 18th Street. He told his girlfriend that the gang members chased him and managed to rip his shirt but did not catch him.

In her analysis of the events surrounding Vega's murder, prosecutor Laesecke raised a series of questions about the officers' accounts.

If they dropped off Vega at El Castillo, where his mother was, why did he then walk from there toward Pico Boulevard, a well-known border between his gang's territory and that of a rival? And how was it that he found himself in a life-threatening struggle "within five minutes" of being dropped off by the police?

The prosecutor also noted that the two officers did not document their contact with Vega in any of the reports they generated that day, a violation of department policy. "Montoya and Rios completed their [daily report], Eva Garcia's arrest report and their report as first officers on the murder scene after Vega was killed and, therefore, were aware at the time the reports were written of the significance of their contact with him," she wrote. "Nevertheless, they omitted his name and any reference to any contact with him from each of those reports."

Finally, the prosecutor was skeptical of the officers' claim that they told a supervisor.

For one thing, Laesecke noted, there is no mention of the officers' contact with Vega in the homicide report prepared by Det. John Curiel. And on the day after Vega's killing, in a tape-recorded interview with the victim's girlfriend, Curiel can be heard asking the young woman for basic information, such as the location of the arrest, a description of the officers involved and the reason for the arrest.

"If [Curiel] was already aware of Montoya's and Rios' involvement, it seems logical that he would have also asked Garcia some questions based on the information given to him by the officers or at least tried to reassure her that the officers were not involved in Vega's death," she continued.

Gary Wigodsky, an alternate public defender who has been specializing in Rampart cases, said the officers' conduct described in the district attorney's memo is "outrageous." He noted that most of the officers interviewed during the investigation had very little recollection of the incident. "That's a telltale sign," he said. "You know something fishy happened when they can't remember anything."

sherbert · 12-08-2002, 10:37 AM

TDF are you from LA?

TDF · 12-08-2002, 10:37 AM

fuck the police...born on date 1990

cherrylula · 12-08-2002, 10:39 AM

one of my friends cheated on her husband and got pregnant from a guy who is LAPD

Cohen · 12-08-2002, 10:39 AM

I bet the cops were Black dudes

no - That story stinks. So many people cant handle the power they are given (police, army, goverment, pimps) - and yet we have to trust them with our money and life of our kids

TDF · 12-08-2002, 10:40 AM

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Originally posted by cherrylula
one of my friends cheated on her husband and got pregnant from a guy who is LAPD

cops are the worst gang around. People have been wondering why in LA 5 cops have been killed in the last month...the streets have declared war on the LAPD...time for the real 'gang in blue' to start watchin their back

pornjudge · 12-08-2002, 10:42 AM

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Originally posted by toodamnfli
Two Los Angeles police officers sought to cover up their contact with a 16-year-old gang member who was shot to death on the border of a rival gang's territory just minutes after the officers released him from their patrol car, according to a district attorney's review of the case.

Neither officer, one of whom was accused of dropping off the same youth in rival gang territory as punishment a month earlier, documented the encounter with the victim on the day he was killed.

"It appears, based on this investigation, that [the officers] intentionally withheld information from the homicide detectives, internal affairs investigators and their chain of command," wrote Deputy Dist. Atty. Laura L. Laesecke, who investigated the officers as part of the Rampart scandal. "Not only does their lie obstruct justice, but it also calls into question the veracity of the rest of their ... statements" about the case.

Ultimately, Laesecke concluded that the officers could not be prosecuted for obstructing justice because the best evidence against them came from so-called compelled statements in which they were ordered to cooperate with authorities or face termination from the Los Angeles Police Department. Such statements cannot be used in court against those who made them.

Additionally, Laesecke wrote, the statute of limitations on such a charge had expired. Both officers, Mario Rios and Michael Montoya, deny any wrongdoing and remain on the job.

Montoya, now assigned to the community relations office in Northeast Division, seemed resigned to the criticism he and other officers have faced in the wake of the Rampart scandal.

"This is not the first bad thing that's been said about me. They're not true," Montoya said in a recent interview. "But what can be done about it?"

Montoya and Rios, now assigned to Southeast Division, were charged administratively by LAPD officials with making false statements about the case during an internal affairs investigation.

They were cleared of wrongdoing after they presented a declaration from a retired homicide detective who said he recalled Montoya mentioning that he knew the victim as a police informant, but did not remember whether the officer acknowledged having any contact with him on the day he was killed.

The detective refused to testify at the officers' hearing. In a recent interview with The Times, he declined to comment at length, saying only that he could not recall what the officers told him about their interaction with Eric Vega, known on the streets as "Baby Happy."

The incident, which was documented along with more than 80 other cases recently rejected for prosecution by the district attorney, came to light as part of the investigation into the Rampart scandal, launched in 1999 following the admissions and allegations of corrupt ex-cop Rafael Perez.

The Vega case itself, however, was never mentioned by Perez. Instead, investigators came upon it as they looked into allegations of officer misconduct in another Rampart case.

According to police reports, Montoya and Rios were working an "observation post" in the 1200 block of South Lake Street on Nov. 5, 1996, looking for suspicious gang or drug activity, when they spotted Eva Garcia dealing drugs. Based on their observations, other officers from the Rampart anti-gang CRASH unit swooped in and arrested her.

What the police reports do not state -- and what officers admitted years later during compelled interviews with detectives -- was that while Garcia was being arrested, Vega also was handcuffed and put in the back of Montoya and Rios' squad car.

The officers said later that Vega was not arrested but actually was a police informant who wanted to pass on information to them. He was handcuffed, the officers said, only so that his fellow gang members would not become suspicious of his cooperation.

After a few minutes of driving around with Vega in the car, the officers said, they concluded that Vega did not have any significant information and asked him where he wanted to be dropped off. Vega, they said, asked to be let out near a gang hangout known as El Castillo, where his mother was staying. The officers said they dropped him off there.

Moments later, at 4:39 p.m., Montoya and Rios received a radio call about a shooting. Within a minute, they were at the scene -- the first officers to arrive. The victim, they discovered, was Vega.

The killing occurred on the border of a rival gang's territory and was a couple of blocks from where the officers allegedly released Vega. Witnesses later implicated a rival gang member in the killing, but no arrests have been made.

Montoya said he told a sergeant and the lead homicide detective that night about their contact with the shooting victim. Like the detective, the sergeant said in a recent interview that he had no recollection of any such conversation.

Unaware of Vega's death, his mother and girlfriend went to South Lake Street looking for him about 6 p.m. that day. A neighborhood resident told them Vega had been arrested. They then went to the Rampart station, but were told there was no record of his arrest.

The next day Vega's mother went to Juvenile Hall to find her son, but there was no record of him being there either. When she returned home, she later told police, she learned that her son had been killed shortly after he was taken away by officers the previous day.

Suspicious of the timing, Vega's mother and his girlfriend returned to the police station and claimed that officers were somehow connected to the youth's death. It was at that point that Vega's girlfriend also said she was with her boyfriend about a month earlier when Rios and another officer put Vega in the back of their squad car and drove off.

She said she saw her boyfriend about two hours later, his shirt torn and a frightened look on his face. She said Vega told her the officers gave him a choice: get dropped off in territory of the Mara Salvatrucha gang or the Rockwood gang, both rivals of his 18th Street gang. He said he chose Rockwood.

After Vega got out of the car, he allegedly said, the officers shouted to two of his rivals that Vega was from 18th Street. He told his girlfriend that the gang members chased him and managed to rip his shirt but did not catch him.

In her analysis of the events surrounding Vega's murder, prosecutor Laesecke raised a series of questions about the officers' accounts.

If they dropped off Vega at El Castillo, where his mother was, why did he then walk from there toward Pico Boulevard, a well-known border between his gang's territory and that of a rival? And how was it that he found himself in a life-threatening struggle "within five minutes" of being dropped off by the police?

The prosecutor also noted that the two officers did not document their contact with Vega in any of the reports they generated that day, a violation of department policy. "Montoya and Rios completed their [daily report], Eva Garcia's arrest report and their report as first officers on the murder scene after Vega was killed and, therefore, were aware at the time the reports were written of the significance of their contact with him," she wrote. "Nevertheless, they omitted his name and any reference to any contact with him from each of those reports."

Finally, the prosecutor was skeptical of the officers' claim that they told a supervisor.

For one thing, Laesecke noted, there is no mention of the officers' contact with Vega in the homicide report prepared by Det. John Curiel. And on the day after Vega's killing, in a tape-recorded interview with the victim's girlfriend, Curiel can be heard asking the young woman for basic information, such as the location of the arrest, a description of the officers involved and the reason for the arrest.

"If [Curiel] was already aware of Montoya's and Rios' involvement, it seems logical that he would have also asked Garcia some questions based on the information given to him by the officers or at least tried to reassure her that the officers were not involved in Vega's death," she continued.

Gary Wigodsky, an alternate public defender who has been specializing in Rampart cases, said the officers' conduct described in the district attorney's memo is "outrageous." He noted that most of the officers interviewed during the investigation had very little recollection of the incident. "That's a telltale sign," he said. "You know something fishy happened when they can't remember anything."

This thread is to fuckin long, got lost in the middle of it.....

TDF · 12-08-2002, 10:43 AM

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Originally posted by Cohen
I bet the cops were Black dudes

no - That story stinks. So many people cant handle the power they are given (police, army, goverment, pimps) - and yet we have to trust them with our money and life of our kids

I dont give a fuck what color they were, the point of the matter is blatant abuse of power and accessory to murder. Look into the "Rampart Divison" scandal and you will only see the tip of the iceberg...Training Day was inspired by this such organized crime family funded by taxpayer money

EscortBiz · 12-08-2002, 11:27 AM

great post! thanks

Babaganoosh · 12-08-2002, 11:27 AM

A few months ago there was a double murder here. An older couple was shot to death in a robbery. The suspect was stopped a couple of days later with property taken from the house. He confessed to the killings. He was black (and no, not a cop).

By your logic, we should declare war on blacks because there are some bad ones out there? I know a few cops that could be considered real life saints. Yes, there are some corrupt ones out there. Don't group them all together though. There are crooked bank tellers, pharmacists, even fucking janitors.

SpaceAce · 12-08-2002, 11:28 AM

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Originally posted by toodamnfli

I dont give a fuck what color they were, the point of the matter is blatant abuse of power and accessory to murder. Look into the "Rampart Divison" scandal and you will only see the tip of the iceberg...Training Day was inspired by this such organized crime family funded by taxpayer money

Oh, yeah, that was some good shit. I remember the main scandal was when the off-duty Rampart/CRASH officer got killed by another on-duty officer. The Rampart guy rolled up in his SUV and started waving a gun at the other guy (who he didn't know was a cop) and got himself killed. Them during the investigation they linked the dead cop and about half a dozen other Rampart/CRASH guys to drugs, extortion schemes, murders, gangs and all that ther good stuff. I'v follewed that story and it is one of the most amazing examples of police corruption I have ever heard of.

As for "they say cops are good citizens", I've sure never said that. I think the police force tends to attract people who are looking to step on others. It's a power trip, pure and simple. I think the truly good cops are outnumbered 10:1 by the assholes.

SpaceAce

TDF · 12-08-2002, 11:30 AM

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Originally posted by Armed & Hammered
A few months ago there was a double murder here. An older couple was shot to death in a robbery. The suspect was stopped a couple of days later with property taken from the house. He confessed to the killings. He was black (and no, not a cop).

By your logic, we should declare war on blacks because there are some bad ones out there? I know a few cops that could be considered real life saints. Yes, there are some corrupt ones out there. Don't group them all together though. There are crooked bank tellers, pharmacists, even fucking janitors.

huh?? I thought my initial post was crooked cops and how they ARE gangs yet claim to crack down on them. How can you clean up the streets when you cant even clean up your own station? and why the fuck does it take 15 minutes for 911 to come when you call them? 911 is a fuckin joke..

SpaceAce · 12-08-2002, 11:30 AM

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Originally posted by Armed & Hammered
A few months ago there was a double murder here. An older couple was shot to death in a robbery. The suspect was stopped a couple of days later with property taken from the house. He confessed to the killings. He was black (and no, not a cop).

By your logic, we should declare war on blacks because there are some bad ones out there? I know a few cops that could be considered real life saints. Yes, there are some corrupt ones out there. Don't group them all together though. There are crooked bank tellers, pharmacists, even fucking janitors.

A) I don't actually think he said "they should", but he said "they did".

B) In the case of the LAPD, it just never stops. This isn't one or two bad guys. This is a culture that breeds racism and abuse. Just go look into things like the Rampart scandal toodamnfli mentioned. Even in a city the size of LA with as many cops as they have, there's too much corruption to be dismissed as a "few bad cops".

SpaceAce

TDF · 12-08-2002, 11:34 AM

btw, police moral is so bad here that they are recruiting people from other states and paying their moving fees. WHy you ask? No-one wants to be a cop here in LA..coruption is at an all time high and doesn't seem to be decresing any. Citizens cringe when you see cops..there is no secure feeling when you see a cruiser watching your block,they might come to rob your house next..and thats real live shit

example: AFTER A DECADE OF STOP-AND-START REFORM, of investigative commissions, a court-imposed consent decree and, most recently, the debate over whom the mayor should name as the city's new LAPD chief, the natural questions arise: Are things getting better or worse in the LAPD? Are police-abuse levels going up or down?

The short answer: We don't know.

If the cash paid out by the city on LAPD-related settlements is any measure, the situation seems grim. The payout from 1997 through 2001 topped $87 million, with the highest price tag, in 2000, coming close to $45 million. Those figures, however, included "the Rampart effect" ? payouts on the scandal that involved unlawful arrests, planted evidence, false testimony, the shooting of a handcuffed man ? and so are considered misleading by some

appleboy · 12-08-2002, 11:34 AM

this shit goes on because police know they can get away with it , minorities don't complain enough or have money for the best lawyers , judges and politicians let cops off the hook since they work together ,cops bring them in and judges sentence them making it look good that criminals are being prosecuted . And black civil rights leaders like Jesse Jackson are only interested in self serving causes and only helping themselves.

Babaganoosh · 12-08-2002, 11:35 AM

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Originally posted by SpaceAce

A) I don't actually think he said "they should", but he said "they did".

B) In the case of the LAPD, it just never stops. This isn't one or two bad guys. This is a culture that breeds racism and abuse. Just go look into things like the Rampart scandal toodamnfli mentioned. Even in a city the size of LA with as many cops as they have, there's too much corruption to be dismissed as a "few bad cops".

SpaceAce

I am not disputing if there is/isn't a problem there. If even half of the department is crooked, it still isn't right to assume that everyone in LA that wears a badge is a criminal.

TheFLY · 12-08-2002, 11:37 AM

TooDamnFli, I have to disagree with you... It's not murder to drop somebody off in "rival territory" -- all the cops did was show the kid that it doesn't pay to have enemies.

TDF · 12-08-2002, 11:37 AM

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Originally posted by appleboy
this shit goes on because police know they can get away with it , minorities don't complain enough or have money for the best lawyers , judges and politicians let cops off the hook since they work together ,cops bring them in and judges sentence them making it look good that criminals are being prosecuted . And black civil rights leaders like Jesse Jackson are only interested in self serving causes and only helping themselves.

I have the some of the best lawyers in the city...not to mention they are family also

TDF · 12-08-2002, 11:38 AM

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Originally posted by TheFLY
TooDamnFli, I have to disagree with you... It's not murder to drop somebody off in "rival territory" -- all the cops did was show the kid that it doesn't pay to have enemies.

so what do u call it then? If you drop someone off at a 'friends house' to get killed do u not think you will get hit with accessory to murder charges?

TheFLY · 12-08-2002, 11:39 AM

I guess we can all learn from this kid's death... If there's somebody in the world that wants you dead -- you better figure out why... and rectify the situation -- or you could end up in the wrong place at the wrong time...

TheFLY · 12-08-2002, 11:40 AM

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Originally posted by toodamnfli

so what do u call it then? If you drop someone off at a 'friends house' to get killed do u not think you will get hit with accessory to murder charges?

These were probably public streets. The cops can claim ignorance.

The police department is not responsible for knowing the perimeter of gang territories!!!

TDF · 12-08-2002, 11:44 AM

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Originally posted by TheFLY

These were probably public streets. The cops can claim ignorance.

The police department is not responsible for knowing the perimeter of gang territories!!!

riggggggght. Fuck the police...i dont trust em for shit and if you value your life here in LA you wouldnt either

TheFLY · 12-08-2002, 11:45 AM

I agree, these cops could have had ill intent, or even murderous intent... Either that or the cops are tired too of the slow justice of our existing legal system... Which is plain to see right here -- that the legal system can't keep up with the complex strategies of "thug" life hehe... The real problem is not murder, it's the bigger context/framework under which the motivational forces came to be in the first place.

The answer is hiphop.

Kat - Fast · 12-08-2002, 11:50 AM

The 'kid' (read 'gang-scum') was dropped off in a rival area? Tough fuckin shit - they should do that with all the shitheads - a sure way of reducing gang numbers.

TheFLY · 12-08-2002, 11:52 AM

"Police officers in general tend to lack self-esteem, have an inordinate need for control over others, suffer from disproportionately high levels of anger, depression, alcoholism, and suicide, and have a tendency toward domestic violence and divorce. Further, police tend to be relatively undereducated and are almost always politically conservative ? the perfect gang to carry out the wishes of the wealthy elites who own our countries."

<img src="http://www.cannabisculture.com/library/images/uploads/1817-cops2.jpg">

http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/1817.html

Fletch XXX · 12-08-2002, 11:53 AM

'Even Pac dropped 2 cops.'

Sucks.

Thats a cruel thing to do, (drop someone off in gang territory)

Fletch XXX · 12-08-2002, 11:55 AM

<font color="yellow"><h1>187 ON A MOTHERFUCKING COP!</font></h1>

\X/

Yayaeeee

TDF · 12-08-2002, 12:02 PM

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Originally posted by Kat
The 'kid' (read 'gang-scum') was dropped off in a rival area? Tough fuckin shit - they should do that with all the shitheads - a sure way of reducing gang numbers.

last i checked it's not illegal to be in a gang..it's gang activity that causes the action that leads to crime

BVF · 12-08-2002, 12:03 PM

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Originally posted by Armed & Hammered
The suspect was stopped a couple of days later with property taken from the house. He confessed to the killings. He was black (and no, not a cop).

By your logic, we should declare war on blacks because there are some bad ones out there? I know a few cops that could be considered real life saints. Yes, there are some corrupt ones out there. Don't group them all together though. There are crooked bank tellers, pharmacists, even fucking janitors.

I wasn't even going to post on this thread until I saw this idiotic bullshit right here. That is the most RIDICULOUS comparison I've seen on here in a long time.

The average black/white/jewish crime suspect doesn't swear an oath to protect the public as a responsible criminal. The average suspect isn't given a gun and a badge by a government authority and given carte blanche to go out on the streets and arrest someone. The average suspect doesn't have the power to rig and tamper with evidence in order to get someone convicted. The average suspect isn't allowed to shoot someone with little more than a slap on the wrist, if that and excused by his/her superiors. So how in the fuck does a criminal compare to a person WITH A FUCKING BADGE ON??

yes, there are bad apples in every bunch. but when a person swears an oath to protect and serve, that puts them at a greater responsiblity than your average black criminal suspect. AND it is the responsiblity of the higher powers to weed out every single criminal that is wearing a badge.

You need to stick to talking about TGP's and porn because some of you are clueless when it comes to real life subjects.

TDF · 12-08-2002, 12:15 PM

song of the moment-D'Angelo...Send it through...smoke out and listen to this shit...

TDF · 12-08-2002, 12:19 PM

wtf are cops using a minor for as an informant for anyway?

TheFLY · 12-08-2002, 12:21 PM

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Originally posted by toodamnfli
song of the moment-D'Angelo...Send it through...smoke out and listen to this shit...

Post the MP3 ?

Fletch XXX · 12-08-2002, 12:22 PM

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Originally posted by TheFLY

Post the MP3 ?

yeah TDF, 'send it through.'

;)

XXXPaysiteDesign · 12-08-2002, 12:23 PM

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Originally posted by Fletch XXX
<font color="yellow"><h1>187 ON A MOTHERFUCKING COP!</font></h1>

\X/

Yayaeeee

...you sittin home watchin your tv, while I participating is some anarchy...

TDF · 12-08-2002, 12:24 PM

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Originally posted by Fletch XXX

yeah TDF, 'send it through.'

;)

im uploading it now..reminds me of church back in the 80's...swayin and prayin

Kat - Fast · 12-08-2002, 12:28 PM

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Originally posted by toodamnfli

last i checked it's not illegal to be in a gang..it's gang activity that causes the action that leads to crime

It doesn't take much extrapolation to realise that by reducing gang membership, crime will reduce.

Shoot the fuckin lot of the wannabe bling gangsta assholes. Then their rap idols.

TDF · 12-08-2002, 12:30 PM

d'angelo

TheFLY · 12-08-2002, 12:31 PM

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[i]it is the responsiblity of the higher powers to weed out every single criminal that is wearing a badge.[/B]

Ultimately who is responsible for evil? Satan? You will never be able to entirely eliminate crooked people from a police force... All humanity has the potential for evil.

Can you explain to me how "higher powers" could weed out people with the capacity for criminal thinking?

Just think about it -- maybe you are a cop -- you make average money -- you got a fucker in the back seat of your patrol car that wants you dead, that probably swears he will kill your wife and children... you know the judge won't do shit, why not drop the punk off in the wrong side of town... end of problem. Do you think the kid getting dropped off really wants the sympathy of the cop?

"No please don't drop me off here, I'm sorry. I'm really a pussy ass punk and I didn't mean to call you a pig."

Gimme a fucking break.

TheFLY · 12-08-2002, 12:33 PM

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Originally posted by toodamnfli
d'angelo

Hmm I get 404? http://www.platinumthong.com/

TDF · 12-08-2002, 12:34 PM

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Originally posted by Kat

It doesn't take much extrapolation to realise that by reducing gang membership, crime will reduce.

Shoot the fuckin lot of the wannabe bling gangsta assholes. Then their rap idols.

if you believe this is about as stupid as those who say the economy goes as Bush goes..

TDF · 12-08-2002, 12:34 PM

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Originally posted by TheFLY
[B]

Hmm I get 404?

i reedited it..try it again

TheFLY · 12-08-2002, 12:35 PM

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Originally posted by Kat
Shoot the fuckin lot of the wannabe bling gangsta assholes. Then their rap idols.

I think the last part is true -- the real battle between good/evil is on the mic.

jimmy3way · 12-08-2002, 12:36 PM

You know's really fucked up and really fucking scary about that Rampart bullshit, is that the county prosecutors went along with it for so long.

Didn't a bunch of the gang unit cops rig a shooting using catsup in one case and then submit pictures to the prosecutor's office, an dthey actually put a guy in jail to cover up a homocide by a cop?

I saw that shit in the LA Times about a year ago.

Fletch XXX · 12-08-2002, 12:37 PM

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I think it's true -- the real battle between good/evil is on the mic.

Or the Technics.

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TDF · 12-08-2002, 12:37 PM

rap music has a much more profound impact on society than you think...it deems what clothes are in,what cars to drive,what shoes to wear,and what liquor to drink..what a country!!

xanx · 12-08-2002, 12:39 PM

Most of you have no clue... how many of you actually have put on a uniform and went to work and delt with all the scum on a daily basis. Believe me it would change your opinion a little.

TDF · 12-08-2002, 12:39 PM

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Originally posted by jimmy3way
You know's really fucked up and really fucking scary about that Rampart bullshit, is that the county prosecutors went along with it for so long.

Didn't a bunch of the gang unit cops rig a shooting using catsup in one case and then submit pictures to the prosecutor's office, an dthey actually put a guy in jail to cover up a homocide by a cop?

I saw that shit in the LA Times about a year ago.

yes they did..so who polices to police?? noone..

TDF · 12-08-2002, 12:40 PM

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Originally posted by xanx
Most of you have no clue... how many of you actually have put on a uniform and went to work and delt with all the scum on a daily basis. Believe me it would change your opinion a little.

so that gives me the right to crush someones skull in or kill them..sounds like it's time to make a career change bitch...noone asked their mentally unstable ass to be a cop

TheFLY · 12-08-2002, 12:40 PM

If you legalize drugs you wouldn't have a gang problem. You should have voted for Ralph Nader.

Kat - Fast · 12-08-2002, 12:40 PM

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Originally posted by toodamnfli
rap music has a much more profound impact on society than you think...it deems what clothes are in,what cars to drive,what shoes to wear,and what liquor to drink..what a country!!

If that isn't the most compelling reason to shoot them all I don't know what is.

12-08-2002, 10:33 AM	#1
TDF Triple OG nigga on GFY Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: in the BP4L family compound Posts: 27,296	and they say cops are good citizens.. Two Los Angeles police officers sought to cover up their contact with a 16-year-old gang member who was shot to death on the border of a rival gang's territory just minutes after the officers released him from their patrol car, according to a district attorney's review of the case. Neither officer, one of whom was accused of dropping off the same youth in rival gang territory as punishment a month earlier, documented the encounter with the victim on the day he was killed. "It appears, based on this investigation, that [the officers] intentionally withheld information from the homicide detectives, internal affairs investigators and their chain of command," wrote Deputy Dist. Atty. Laura L. Laesecke, who investigated the officers as part of the Rampart scandal. "Not only does their lie obstruct justice, but it also calls into question the veracity of the rest of their ... statements" about the case. Ultimately, Laesecke concluded that the officers could not be prosecuted for obstructing justice because the best evidence against them came from so-called compelled statements in which they were ordered to cooperate with authorities or face termination from the Los Angeles Police Department. Such statements cannot be used in court against those who made them. Additionally, Laesecke wrote, the statute of limitations on such a charge had expired. Both officers, Mario Rios and Michael Montoya, deny any wrongdoing and remain on the job. Montoya, now assigned to the community relations office in Northeast Division, seemed resigned to the criticism he and other officers have faced in the wake of the Rampart scandal. "This is not the first bad thing that's been said about me. They're not true," Montoya said in a recent interview. "But what can be done about it?" Montoya and Rios, now assigned to Southeast Division, were charged administratively by LAPD officials with making false statements about the case during an internal affairs investigation. They were cleared of wrongdoing after they presented a declaration from a retired homicide detective who said he recalled Montoya mentioning that he knew the victim as a police informant, but did not remember whether the officer acknowledged having any contact with him on the day he was killed. The detective refused to testify at the officers' hearing. In a recent interview with The Times, he declined to comment at length, saying only that he could not recall what the officers told him about their interaction with Eric Vega, known on the streets as "Baby Happy." The incident, which was documented along with more than 80 other cases recently rejected for prosecution by the district attorney, came to light as part of the investigation into the Rampart scandal, launched in 1999 following the admissions and allegations of corrupt ex-cop Rafael Perez. The Vega case itself, however, was never mentioned by Perez. Instead, investigators came upon it as they looked into allegations of officer misconduct in another Rampart case. According to police reports, Montoya and Rios were working an "observation post" in the 1200 block of South Lake Street on Nov. 5, 1996, looking for suspicious gang or drug activity, when they spotted Eva Garcia dealing drugs. Based on their observations, other officers from the Rampart anti-gang CRASH unit swooped in and arrested her. What the police reports do not state -- and what officers admitted years later during compelled interviews with detectives -- was that while Garcia was being arrested, Vega also was handcuffed and put in the back of Montoya and Rios' squad car. The officers said later that Vega was not arrested but actually was a police informant who wanted to pass on information to them. He was handcuffed, the officers said, only so that his fellow gang members would not become suspicious of his cooperation. After a few minutes of driving around with Vega in the car, the officers said, they concluded that Vega did not have any significant information and asked him where he wanted to be dropped off. Vega, they said, asked to be let out near a gang hangout known as El Castillo, where his mother was staying. The officers said they dropped him off there. Moments later, at 4:39 p.m., Montoya and Rios received a radio call about a shooting. Within a minute, they were at the scene -- the first officers to arrive. The victim, they discovered, was Vega. The killing occurred on the border of a rival gang's territory and was a couple of blocks from where the officers allegedly released Vega. Witnesses later implicated a rival gang member in the killing, but no arrests have been made. Montoya said he told a sergeant and the lead homicide detective that night about their contact with the shooting victim. Like the detective, the sergeant said in a recent interview that he had no recollection of any such conversation. Unaware of Vega's death, his mother and girlfriend went to South Lake Street looking for him about 6 p.m. that day. A neighborhood resident told them Vega had been arrested. They then went to the Rampart station, but were told there was no record of his arrest. The next day Vega's mother went to Juvenile Hall to find her son, but there was no record of him being there either. When she returned home, she later told police, she learned that her son had been killed shortly after he was taken away by officers the previous day. Suspicious of the timing, Vega's mother and his girlfriend returned to the police station and claimed that officers were somehow connected to the youth's death. It was at that point that Vega's girlfriend also said she was with her boyfriend about a month earlier when Rios and another officer put Vega in the back of their squad car and drove off. She said she saw her boyfriend about two hours later, his shirt torn and a frightened look on his face. She said Vega told her the officers gave him a choice: get dropped off in territory of the Mara Salvatrucha gang or the Rockwood gang, both rivals of his 18th Street gang. He said he chose Rockwood. After Vega got out of the car, he allegedly said, the officers shouted to two of his rivals that Vega was from 18th Street. He told his girlfriend that the gang members chased him and managed to rip his shirt but did not catch him. In her analysis of the events surrounding Vega's murder, prosecutor Laesecke raised a series of questions about the officers' accounts. If they dropped off Vega at El Castillo, where his mother was, why did he then walk from there toward Pico Boulevard, a well-known border between his gang's territory and that of a rival? And how was it that he found himself in a life-threatening struggle "within five minutes" of being dropped off by the police? The prosecutor also noted that the two officers did not document their contact with Vega in any of the reports they generated that day, a violation of department policy. "Montoya and Rios completed their [daily report], Eva Garcia's arrest report and their report as first officers on the murder scene after Vega was killed and, therefore, were aware at the time the reports were written of the significance of their contact with him," she wrote. "Nevertheless, they omitted his name and any reference to any contact with him from each of those reports." Finally, the prosecutor was skeptical of the officers' claim that they told a supervisor. For one thing, Laesecke noted, there is no mention of the officers' contact with Vega in the homicide report prepared by Det. John Curiel. And on the day after Vega's killing, in a tape-recorded interview with the victim's girlfriend, Curiel can be heard asking the young woman for basic information, such as the location of the arrest, a description of the officers involved and the reason for the arrest. "If [Curiel] was already aware of Montoya's and Rios' involvement, it seems logical that he would have also asked Garcia some questions based on the information given to him by the officers or at least tried to reassure her that the officers were not involved in Vega's death," she continued. Gary Wigodsky, an alternate public defender who has been specializing in Rampart cases, said the officers' conduct described in the district attorney's memo is "outrageous." He noted that most of the officers interviewed during the investigation had very little recollection of the incident. "That's a telltale sign," he said. "You know something fishy happened when they can't remember anything." __________________ Sig heil

12-08-2002, 10:37 AM	#2
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12-08-2002, 10:37 AM	#3
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12-08-2002, 10:39 AM	#5
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12-08-2002, 10:39 AM	#4
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12-08-2002, 11:27 AM	#10
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12-08-2002, 11:34 AM	#14
TDF Triple OG nigga on GFY Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: in the BP4L family compound Posts: 27,296	btw, police moral is so bad here that they are recruiting people from other states and paying their moving fees. WHy you ask? No-one wants to be a cop here in LA..coruption is at an all time high and doesn't seem to be decresing any. Citizens cringe when you see cops..there is no secure feeling when you see a cruiser watching your block,they might come to rob your house next..and thats real live shit example: AFTER A DECADE OF STOP-AND-START REFORM, of investigative commissions, a court-imposed consent decree and, most recently, the debate over whom the mayor should name as the city's new LAPD chief, the natural questions arise: Are things getting better or worse in the LAPD? Are police-abuse levels going up or down? The short answer: We don't know. If the cash paid out by the city on LAPD-related settlements is any measure, the situation seems grim. The payout from 1997 through 2001 topped $87 million, with the highest price tag, in 2000, coming close to $45 million. Those figures, however, included "the Rampart effect" ? payouts on the scandal that involved unlawful arrests, planted evidence, false testimony, the shooting of a handcuffed man ? and so are considered misleading by some __________________ Sig heil Last edited by toodamnfli; 12-08-2002 at 11:35 AM..

12-08-2002, 11:34 AM	#15
appleboy Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: ny Posts: 291	this shit goes on because police know they can get away with it , minorities don't complain enough or have money for the best lawyers , judges and politicians let cops off the hook since they work together ,cops bring them in and judges sentence them making it look good that criminals are being prosecuted . And black civil rights leaders like Jesse Jackson are only interested in self serving causes and only helping themselves.

12-08-2002, 11:37 AM	#17
TheFLY So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: http://www.thefly.net/ --- Quit your job and live off steady traffic. Posts: 11,856	TooDamnFli, I have to disagree with you... It's not murder to drop somebody off in "rival territory" -- all the cops did was show the kid that it doesn't pay to have enemies.

12-08-2002, 11:39 AM	#20
TheFLY So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: http://www.thefly.net/ --- Quit your job and live off steady traffic. Posts: 11,856	I guess we can all learn from this kid's death... If there's somebody in the world that wants you dead -- you better figure out why... and rectify the situation -- or you could end up in the wrong place at the wrong time...

12-08-2002, 11:45 AM	#23
TheFLY So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: http://www.thefly.net/ --- Quit your job and live off steady traffic. Posts: 11,856	I agree, these cops could have had ill intent, or even murderous intent... Either that or the cops are tired too of the slow justice of our existing legal system... Which is plain to see right here -- that the legal system can't keep up with the complex strategies of "thug" life hehe... The real problem is not murder, it's the bigger context/framework under which the motivational forces came to be in the first place. The answer is hiphop.

12-08-2002, 11:50 AM	#24
Kat - Fast Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: The bushes behind your house Posts: 2,303	The 'kid' (read 'gang-scum') was dropped off in a rival area? Tough fuckin shit - they should do that with all the shitheads - a sure way of reducing gang numbers.

12-08-2002, 11:52 AM	#25
TheFLY So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: http://www.thefly.net/ --- Quit your job and live off steady traffic. Posts: 11,856	"Police officers in general tend to lack self-esteem, have an inordinate need for control over others, suffer from disproportionately high levels of anger, depression, alcoholism, and suicide, and have a tendency toward domestic violence and divorce. Further, police tend to be relatively undereducated and are almost always politically conservative ? the perfect gang to carry out the wishes of the wealthy elites who own our countries." <img src="http://www.cannabisculture.com/library/images/uploads/1817-cops2.jpg"> http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/1817.html

12-08-2002, 11:53 AM	#26
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12-08-2002, 12:19 PM	#31
TDF Triple OG nigga on GFY Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: in the BP4L family compound Posts: 27,296	wtf are cops using a minor for as an informant for anyway? __________________ Sig heil

12-08-2002, 12:30 PM	#37
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12-08-2002, 12:36 PM	#43
jimmy3way Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Top Secret Hideout Posts: 2,508	You know's really fucked up and really fucking scary about that Rampart bullshit, is that the county prosecutors went along with it for so long. Didn't a bunch of the gang unit cops rig a shooting using catsup in one case and then submit pictures to the prosecutor's office, an dthey actually put a guy in jail to cover up a homocide by a cop? I saw that shit in the LA Times about a year ago. __________________ One thing, I forgot this last detail: the Biz Markie will always prevail.

12-08-2002, 12:37 PM	#45
TDF Triple OG nigga on GFY Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: in the BP4L family compound Posts: 27,296	rap music has a much more profound impact on society than you think...it deems what clothes are in,what cars to drive,what shoes to wear,and what liquor to drink..what a country!! __________________ Sig heil

12-08-2002, 12:39 PM	#46
xanx Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 3,711	Most of you have no clue... how many of you actually have put on a uniform and went to work and delt with all the scum on a daily basis. Believe me it would change your opinion a little.

12-08-2002, 12:40 PM	#49
TheFLY So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: http://www.thefly.net/ --- Quit your job and live off steady traffic. Posts: 11,856	If you legalize drugs you wouldn't have a gang problem. You should have voted for Ralph Nader. <img src="http://www.cannabisculture.com/library/images/uploads/1817-cops4.jpg">