Is this ISP shit? Traceroute question for network guys - GoFuckYourself.com

Swiftone · 10-24-2002, 10:44 PM

Ok guys, after being on 56k for the past 6 years I have finally found out in my area there is broadband access in the form of a WISP(wireless). It's a 1 meg up/1 meg down plan, and they are coming out monday to do an onsite survey. I need this connection (working on adult sites obviously), but would also like it to be 'up to par' with other forms of broadband as far as gaming goes.

Now I know some people with wireless are having excellent results in both pingtime and throughput, but that of course varies greatly depending on the ISP.

I was doing a bit of research on the ISP (nanomega.com) and started running some traceroutes from various places on the net and noticed some.. not so desirable results, and I was wondering if anyone here could give me their opinion.

When doing traceourtes i noticed the ping is generally extremely low up until the last 2 hops, and then it jumps up 50ms+ in pingtime (i am assuming this is when it reaches their network).

For instance, look at this (this is the lowest ping I have been able to find):
http://www.undergroundpalace.com/cgi...t=Submit+Query

The ping is 4MS!! Up until the last hop, where it jumps up to 50. Is this a sign that their network/router is extremely overloaded? 50ms in their network is a bit high is it not?

Here is another example:
http://www.ntplx.net/traceroute/?www.nanomega.com
The ping is 60ms till it reaches what I assume is their network and then it jumps to 120.

Another Example:
http://cgi.cs.wisc.edu/scripts/condo...w.nanomega.com
Ping is 45 till it reaches their network, then jumps to 90.

Now my question is this, should I assume that this connection will not be below 100 ping most of the time? I am a big gamer and for $135 a month (the connection charge) I really want to be able to get pings of 30-70 on servers near me (now I know all of them wont be that good), and from the pings it is looking as if that MAY be unlikely?

Do these pings mean anything? Is it possible they have their webserver(s) located on another part of their network, etc? Basically, is it worth worrying about the fact that the ping seems to jump by 50ms when it enters their network? Is there any other explanation besides a slow/poor quality/overloaded network for this?

I just don't know if the 135 a month is worth it if I won't have 'good gaming' along with the fast downloads, and am trying to make a decision, and seeing as how a ton of you here run your own ISPS I would like if you could give me your opinions on any data you can get from the traceroutes, etc.

Thank you!

edmo · 10-24-2002, 11:06 PM

you should try using mtr.
http://www.bitwizard.nl/mtr/

when you start crossing providers you get into peering type problems where it's hard to tell who's at fault unless you can test from both networks. also time of day and physical location are factors. and don't forget that it could just be that their .com site is slow and not the actual service. try hunting down an ip of one of their users.

given that it's presumably your only alternative to dial up i would just go with it and make sure you get some kind of sla.

jennycards · 10-24-2002, 11:11 PM

1) Ping has little meaning for "regular" applications like web browsing, e-mail, video. It MAY mean something to hard gamers who could lose a game because their "reaction" comes too slow.

2) A pingt time of 50-100 ms is nothing to worry about.

3) I wouldn't pay $135 a month for my internet connection ... that is far too expensive. You can't find anything cheaper?

4) Wireless is ALWAYS less reliable than "wired".

Swiftone · 10-24-2002, 11:11 PM

Yeah, thats what I was thinking. I'll download that utility and check it out. Hard to find a user of the ISp though, they are relatively small (service a town of 80k) and haven't been able to find much info from a users persepective.

Swiftone · 10-24-2002, 11:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jennycards
1) Ping has little meaning for "regular" applications like web browsing, e-mail, video. It MAY mean something to hard gamers who could lose a game because their "reaction" comes too slow.

2) A pingt time of 50-100 ms is nothing to worry about.

3) I wouldn't pay $135 a month for my internet connection ... that is far too expensive. You can't find anything cheaper?

4) Wireless is ALWAYS less reliable than "wired".

It's either wireless or satellite. Satellite = $99 if you don't buy all the shit upfront, and requires a 12 month contract.

Wireless = faster, most definately better pings and whatnot.

The reason I am asking about ping is indeed because of gaming, I have no doubt it will suit my fancy for the business side of things, but I do enjoy FPS gaming and I haven't been able to partake in it much as of late because of the horridness of my 56k modem ;)

Another reason of asking about ping is because generally I would assume that when it takes 50ms to get around once you get in their network, they most likely have a networking problem or an oversold service (at least this is my assumption, probably totally wrong).

Anything above a 100 ping is also very high when your talking about a traceroute from a t1+ connection to an ISP. For instance, tracerouting from my webservers which generally get pings of 10-30 almost everywhere, and this isps domain alone gets 130.. that leads to some questions ;)

DrGuile · 10-24-2002, 11:14 PM

wireless ping usually suck...

its always been like that

Swiftone · 10-24-2002, 11:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DrGuile
wireless ping usually suck...

its always been like that

Fixed Wireless can have very good ping times, I've spoken with a few people who have a similar service and can get 30-60ms reliably to most gameservers.

Don't confuse wireless with satellite

faytl · 10-24-2002, 11:36 PM

Matt's traceroute [v0.48]
wireless Fri Oct 25 14:44:27 2002
Keys: D - Display mode R - Restart statistics Q - Quit
Packets Pings
Hostname %Loss Rcv Snt Last Best Avg Worst
1. xxx.xxx.xxx.xx 0% 52 52 2 2 6 36
2. FastEthernet2-0-20.cor1.per.connect 2% 51 52 4 3 13 134
3. fastethernet6-0-0.bdr1.per.connect. 0% 52 52 97 4 15 258
4. atm9-1-0-4.bdr2.syd.connect.com.au 0% 52 52 63 63 72 155
5. g2-0-2.sybr3.global-gateway.net.nz 0% 52 52 66 63 68 94
6. p4-0.sybr2.global-gateway.net.nz 0% 52 52 63 63 67 103
7. p1-0-0.labr2.global-gateway.net.nz 8% 48 52 219 219 222 243
8. sl-gw15-ana-6-0.sprintlink.net2. (serve0% 52 52 221 221 226 245
9. sl-bb22-ana-3-3.sprintlink.net 0% 52 52 221 221 236 406
10. sl-gw24-ana-9-0.sprintlink.net 0% 52 52 221 221 224 240
11. sl-roseville-1-0.sprintlink.net 0% 51 52 240 235 249 483
12. 208.45.228.240 0% 51 52 230 226 235 323
13. 66.60.131.254 2% 50 51 239 236 243 313
14. 66.60.188.13 0% 51 51 228 227 231 253

Wireless is pretty damn good if setup properly and fast as well, you'll notice the ping time dosen't really go up until the packets cross the pacific... but thats to be expected...

10-24-2002, 10:44 PM	#1
Swiftone Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 337	Is this ISP shit? Traceroute question for network guys Ok guys, after being on 56k for the past 6 years I have finally found out in my area there is broadband access in the form of a WISP(wireless). It's a 1 meg up/1 meg down plan, and they are coming out monday to do an onsite survey. I need this connection (working on adult sites obviously), but would also like it to be 'up to par' with other forms of broadband as far as gaming goes. Now I know some people with wireless are having excellent results in both pingtime and throughput, but that of course varies greatly depending on the ISP. I was doing a bit of research on the ISP (nanomega.com) and started running some traceroutes from various places on the net and noticed some.. not so desirable results, and I was wondering if anyone here could give me their opinion. When doing traceourtes i noticed the ping is generally extremely low up until the last 2 hops, and then it jumps up 50ms+ in pingtime (i am assuming this is when it reaches their network). For instance, look at this (this is the lowest ping I have been able to find): http://www.undergroundpalace.com/cgi...t=Submit+Query The ping is 4MS!! Up until the last hop, where it jumps up to 50. Is this a sign that their network/router is extremely overloaded? 50ms in their network is a bit high is it not? Here is another example: http://www.ntplx.net/traceroute/?www.nanomega.com The ping is 60ms till it reaches what I assume is their network and then it jumps to 120. Another Example: http://cgi.cs.wisc.edu/scripts/condo...w.nanomega.com Ping is 45 till it reaches their network, then jumps to 90. Now my question is this, should I assume that this connection will not be below 100 ping most of the time? I am a big gamer and for $135 a month (the connection charge) I really want to be able to get pings of 30-70 on servers near me (now I know all of them wont be that good), and from the pings it is looking as if that MAY be unlikely? Do these pings mean anything? Is it possible they have their webserver(s) located on another part of their network, etc? Basically, is it worth worrying about the fact that the ping seems to jump by 50ms when it enters their network? Is there any other explanation besides a slow/poor quality/overloaded network for this? I just don't know if the 135 a month is worth it if I won't have 'good gaming' along with the fast downloads, and am trying to make a decision, and seeing as how a ton of you here run your own ISPS I would like if you could give me your opinions on any data you can get from the traceroutes, etc. Thank you! __________________ Yo.

10-24-2002, 11:11 PM	#3
jennycards Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: European Union Posts: 1,124	1) Ping has little meaning for "regular" applications like web browsing, e-mail, video. It MAY mean something to hard gamers who could lose a game because their "reaction" comes too slow. 2) A pingt time of 50-100 ms is nothing to worry about. 3) I wouldn't pay $135 a month for my internet connection ... that is far too expensive. You can't find anything cheaper? 4) Wireless is ALWAYS less reliable than "wired". __________________ Make Money with true niche programs like Adult ECards - Pantyhose Fetish - Men in Pantyhose

10-24-2002, 11:11 PM	#4
Swiftone Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 337	Yeah, thats what I was thinking. I'll download that utility and check it out. Hard to find a user of the ISp though, they are relatively small (service a town of 80k) and haven't been able to find much info from a users persepective. __________________ Yo.

10-24-2002, 11:14 PM	#6
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10-24-2002, 11:36 PM	#8
faytl Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 121	Matt's traceroute [v0.48] wireless Fri Oct 25 14:44:27 2002 Keys: D - Display mode R - Restart statistics Q - Quit Packets Pings Hostname %Loss Rcv Snt Last Best Avg Worst 1. xxx.xxx.xxx.xx 0% 52 52 2 2 6 36 2. FastEthernet2-0-20.cor1.per.connect 2% 51 52 4 3 13 134 3. fastethernet6-0-0.bdr1.per.connect. 0% 52 52 97 4 15 258 4. atm9-1-0-4.bdr2.syd.connect.com.au 0% 52 52 63 63 72 155 5. g2-0-2.sybr3.global-gateway.net.nz 0% 52 52 66 63 68 94 6. p4-0.sybr2.global-gateway.net.nz 0% 52 52 63 63 67 103 7. p1-0-0.labr2.global-gateway.net.nz 8% 48 52 219 219 222 243 8. sl-gw15-ana-6-0.sprintlink.net2. (serve0% 52 52 221 221 226 245 9. sl-bb22-ana-3-3.sprintlink.net 0% 52 52 221 221 236 406 10. sl-gw24-ana-9-0.sprintlink.net 0% 52 52 221 221 224 240 11. sl-roseville-1-0.sprintlink.net 0% 51 52 240 235 249 483 12. 208.45.228.240 0% 51 52 230 226 235 323 13. 66.60.131.254 2% 50 51 239 236 243 313 14. 66.60.188.13 0% 51 51 228 227 231 253 Wireless is pretty damn good if setup properly and fast as well, you'll notice the ping time dosen't really go up until the packets cross the pacific... but thats to be expected... Last edited by faytl; 10-24-2002 at 11:37 PM..

10-24-2002, 11:06 PM	#2
edmo Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SanHo Posts: 359	you should try using mtr. http://www.bitwizard.nl/mtr/ when you start crossing providers you get into peering type problems where it's hard to tell who's at fault unless you can test from both networks. also time of day and physical location are factors. and don't forget that it could just be that their .com site is slow and not the actual service. try hunting down an ip of one of their users. given that it's presumably your only alternative to dial up i would just go with it and make sure you get some kind of sla.