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Pathfinder · 07-18-2002, 07:42 AM

It is becoming clearer that we are going to overthrow Sadam.

We have authorized the CIA and SF to engage in covert actions.

http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/meast/....ap/index.html

Questions:

#1: At this point in time do we (the USA) have a legitimate/legal cause to overthrow the leader of a soveriegn nation?

#2: Should Bush be allowed to unilaterally act if our military forces are required to overthrow Sadam, or should the American people demand that Congress be the ones to make the decision to use military force.

PornMeister · 07-18-2002, 07:47 AM

#1 NO
#2 YES

Thomas N · 07-18-2002, 07:57 AM

Pornmeister, you can't asnwer an 'or' question with a yes or a no. I can't tell you how many times I have tried to explain that to my wife...

Me: "Honey do you want to go out for dinner tonight, or stay in and we'll cook"

Wife: "Yes that sounds great!"

Me:

hyper · 07-18-2002, 09:06 AM

yes we have every right to eliminate him since the restrictions on assasinations have been lifted.

and no an act of war cannot be declared without congressional approval

TheApostate · 07-18-2002, 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by SwordFish
Pornmeister, you can't asnwer an 'or' question with a yes or a no. I can't tell you how many times I have tried to explain that to my wife...

Me: "Honey do you want to go out for dinner tonight, or stay in and we'll cook"

Wife: "Yes that sounds great!"

Me:

Enchantress · 07-18-2002, 09:44 AM

What I don't get is the angle on this. The white house just projected a 165 billion dollar deficit, so why would we engage in a costly campaign to overthrow a dictator who's not really proving to be a threat to us? It doesn't add up.

pr0 · 07-18-2002, 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Enchantress
What I don't get is the angle on this. The white house just projected a 165 billion dollar deficit, so why would we engage in a costly campaign to overthrow a dictator who's not really proving to be a threat to us? It doesn't add up.

Not a threat?

I think you need to get your history straight. This guy used gas to kill thousands of his own people. He lured his american exiled family back to iraq under friendly terms & then had them executed.

Trust me, this guy would have no issue lobbing bio-weapons or anything else he had at both israel & the United states if he could reach us.

And he more than likely helped fund that little plane attack into our WTC.

Yea he's a real peach.

J.R. · 07-18-2002, 10:07 AM

No Doubt!

I would stockpile your own
supplies.. I know I will

You never know if thay can
send some nukes are way.

Luckily, I think we have the means
to shoot them down before they would
ever reach us.

Let's pray that they do..

kmanrox · 07-18-2002, 10:07 AM

#1 you're a putz
#2 we are the USA we do as we please, any questions?

Pathfinder · 07-18-2002, 10:09 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by kmanrox
#1 you're a putz
#2 we are the USA we do as we please, any questions?

I do not have any questions of some dumb ass Marine that can't put two sentences together! Gay Marine???

pr0 · 07-18-2002, 10:10 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by kmanrox

#2 we are the USA we do as we please, any questions?

All joking aside thats pretty much the bottom line.

When you guys in other countries become military & economic super powers you'll enjoy the same benefits.

DarkJedi · 07-18-2002, 10:11 AM

whats a putz ?

Enchantress · 07-18-2002, 10:25 AM

Yes. Saddam Hussein is a crappy person, the world is full of crappy people, that doesn't make it ok to spend millions of taxpayer dollars to invade his country. If we adopt the attitude that having the power to do something gives us the right to do it, we are no better than the dictator we are threatening to oust. If it's in retaliation for 9/11 fine, but where's the evidence that there was any involvement? People seem so apathetic, but let me ask you, is it a cause you'd be willing to die for? More importantly, is it a cause you'd be willing to send your 18 year old kid off to die for? I'm not entirely opposed to the idea, I just think as citizens, and taxpayers we deserve a really good explanation as to why it's necessary and I haven't heard one yet.

jammyjenkins · 07-18-2002, 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by pr0

All joking aside thats pretty much the bottom line.

When you guys in other countries become military & economic super powers you'll enjoy the same benefits.

that's all very well ... but when that attitude comes back to america and bites you in the ass (terrorism...etc.) don't act surprised

arrogance is a very unatractive quality

arrogance + ignorance = deadly

not pointing any fingers ... just a fact

jammyjenkins · 07-18-2002, 10:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Enchantress
Yes. Saddam Hussein is a crappy person, the world is full of crappy people, that doesn't make it ok to spend millions of taxpayer dollars to invade his country. If we adopt the attitude that having the power to do something gives us the right to do it, we are no better than the dictator we are threatening to oust. If it's in retaliation for 9/11 fine, but where's the evidence that there was any involvement? People seem so apathetic, but let me ask you, is it a cause you'd be willing to die for? More importantly, is it a cause you'd be willing to send your 18 year old kid off to die for? I'm not entirely opposed to the idea, I just think as citizens, and taxpayers we deserve a really good explanation as to why it's necessary and I haven't heard one yet.

er ... because it's a potential threat to Israel?

Just a thought...

volante · 07-18-2002, 10:37 AM

Am I the only one who thinks that Bush should spend some of that massive defence budget on a dictionary so he can get someone to look up the work "covert"?

hyper · 07-18-2002, 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by jammyjenkins

er ... because it's a potential threat to Israel?

Just a thought...

nope..

it's all about the oil
black gold
iraqi hillbillies

the U.S.A doesnt do this shit for the hell of it

jammyjenkins · 07-18-2002, 10:44 AM

yeah, i read today that under Iraq there's enough oil to run the US for 100 years

Hmm, after all that oil's been used up, I'm sure we can enjoy the 60c summers!

(that's meant to be centigrade. I've no idea how much that is in fahrenheit!)

vending_machine · 07-18-2002, 10:44 AM

I predict if our numbnuts of a president attacks Iraq and tries to overthrow Saddam, there WILL be a third world war. And yes, the US will be hit with nuclear as well as other "dirty" bombs...

I hate Bush.

Enchantress · 07-18-2002, 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by jammyjenkins

er ... because it's a potential threat to Israel?

Just a thought...

Defending Israel isn't a good enough reason to send my kids off to die for. I don't mean that to offend anyone, I'm just saying that there are things I would fight and die for, but defending Israel isn't one of them.

Cogitator · 07-18-2002, 10:49 AM

The main problem with Iraq is Saddam Hussein is making available long range missle technology to the crazies of the world. He also wants to develop nuclear plants for "peaceful" purposes. Yeah, right. In a country that is literally floating on oil. If the crazies get the missle AND nuclear technology, we're fucked....

Cogitator · 07-18-2002, 10:50 AM

...missile...sorry...

jammyjenkins · 07-18-2002, 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Enchantress

Defending Israel isn't a good enough reason to send my kids off to die for. I don't mean that to offend anyone, I'm just saying that there are things I would fight and die for, but defending Israel isn't one of them.

Yup. This will probably annoy a lot of people, but I really don't give a flying monkey's bollock about Israel.

(I'm not in the US so perhaps I don't get it rammed down my throat as much)

I do think the whole situation is fucked up over there ... but what can I do about it?

When you consider that Israel is the only mideast country with nukes, perhaps saddam arming himself is just self defence.

:-)

Keev · 07-18-2002, 10:54 AM

I would rather just release like 10 tons of boneprone certified crabs over Saddams palaces and let him live the rest of his life scratching his nuts off....

mjrools23 · 07-18-2002, 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Pathfinder

I do not have any questions of some dumb ass Marine that can't put two sentences together! Gay Marine???

he called u gay marine? LOL LOL

jammyjenkins · 07-18-2002, 10:58 AM

am I stupid or what? How do I do those fucking smiley pictures in my posts??!! I feel so left out ...

hyper · 07-18-2002, 11:01 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by jammyjenkins
Hmm, after all that oil's been used up, I'm sure we can enjoy the 60c summers!

(that's meant to be centigrade. I've no idea how much that is in fahrenheit!)

double it and add 30 will get it close

60 x 2 = 120 + 30 = 150 fahrenheit

jammyjenkins · 07-18-2002, 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by hyper

double it and add 30 will get it close

60 x 2 = 120 + 30 = 150 fahrenheit

Cheers!

Pathfinder · 07-18-2002, 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by hyper
yes we have every right to eliminate him since the restrictions on assasinations have been lifted.

and no an act of war cannot be declared without congressional approval

Since the War Powers act a President can engage our troops without Congressional approval, for up to ninety days.

Congress is the only one that can declare war and they have not done this since the Second World War.

GB senior came close to going to war in the Gulf with out Congressional approval, but in the end Congress voted a resolution of approval.

Pathfinder · 07-18-2002, 09:50 PM

I wasn't aware that assasination has been given the green light.

SleazyDream · 07-18-2002, 09:52 PM

Notradamis predicted a 20 year war with some guy in the middle east named madas - which curiously is Sadam spelled backwards...............................

Mr.Fiction · 07-18-2002, 10:04 PM

Whether you support taking out Sadam or not, Bush shouldn't do it without approval from Congress.

Bush and Cheney are under heavy pressure from all of their scandals. Do you really want them making decisions about our military, and the people in our military, just so that they can get their legal problems off of the front page of the papers?

Bush also has a personal problem with Sadam because his dad couldn't kill him. Not to mention all of the money that the Bush family would probably make on the oil from the area if we took over Iraq. There are too many conflicts of interest between Bush and Iraq for him to make a decision based on the best interests of America.

Even if you do support attacking Iraq, I think it's fair to say that Congress should have to approve before we make a major move.

Ace-Ace · 07-18-2002, 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SwordFish
Pornmeister, you can't asnwer an 'or' question with a yes or a no. I can't tell you how many times I have tried to explain that to my wife...

Me: "Honey do you want to go out for dinner tonight, or stay in and we'll cook"

Wife: "Yes that sounds great!"

Me:

hahahaha....

Rochard · 07-18-2002, 11:18 PM

Bush SR wasn't able to kill him? Did you not see what happened in the Gulf when we kicked their asses? They didn't know what direction we were coming from! Their elite guard units were surrendering to news reporters. The US stopped - It's goal was to get Iraq out of Kuwiat, not to topple Iraq's government.

Third World War? Iraq and what army? Not many countries seem to be siding with Iraq these days. Iran isn't going to come to their defense. Russia doesn't seem to be able to do jack, and Chinia doesn't seem to care.

It's not about oil. Fuck Iraq. If we don't buy their oil they starve; There are a dozen other countries with the oil we need.

jammyjenkins · 07-19-2002, 11:31 AM

G W has got a hard on for Saddam as he's trying to get revenge for Saddam almost getting his dad assasinated

I say drown the whole fucking lot of them! (all bush's)

foe · 07-19-2002, 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by jammyjenkins
yeah, i read today that under Iraq there's enough oil to run the US for 100 years

Hmm, after all that oil's been used up, I'm sure we can enjoy the 60c summers!

(that's meant to be centigrade. I've no idea how much that is in fahrenheit!)

152 of the top of my head

Pathfinder · 07-19-2002, 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jammyjenkins
G W has got a hard on for Saddam as he's trying to get revenge for Saddam almost getting his dad assasinated

I say drown the whole fucking lot of them! (all bush's)

I suspect this is certainly a secret personal motive, but there is more to it when making a case to overthrow Sadam.

RW316 · 07-19-2002, 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Pathfinder
It is becoming clearer that we are going to overthrow Sadam.

We have authorized the CIA and SF to engage in covert actions.

http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/meast/....ap/index.html

Questions:

#1: At this point in time do we (the USA) have a legitimate/legal cause to overthrow the leader of a soveriegn nation?

#2: Should Bush be allowed to unilaterally act if our military forces are required to overthrow Sadam, or should the American people demand that Congress be the ones to make the decision to use military force.

YES
YES

jammyjenkins · 07-19-2002, 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by RW316

YES
YES

Are you cumming?

Jax Meehoff · 07-19-2002, 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Pathfinder
It is becoming clearer that we are going to overthrow Sadam.

We have authorized the CIA and SF to engage in covert actions.

http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/meast/....ap/index.html

Yeah we all know that the best way to start any covert action is to announce it to CNN and the entire world... good gravy just fucking take his punk ass out and be done with it.

funkmaster · 07-19-2002, 12:45 PM

... I remeber bush saying, we want him dead or alive ... that has been over 10 month ago ... how dangerous must osama be if even the us can´t get him ??

Pathfinder · 07-19-2002, 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by funkmaster
... I remeber bush saying, we want him dead or alive ... that has been over 10 month ago ... how dangerous must osama be if even the us can´t get him ??

Have you considered that we may have already got him?

jammyjenkins · 07-19-2002, 01:18 PM

hmm ... you never see bin laden and bush in the same room at the same time do you?

What does that tell you?

funkmaster · 07-19-2002, 01:27 PM

"Have you considered that we may have already got him?"

... sounds like you are talking about that guy in the eminem video !

archer · 07-19-2002, 01:30 PM

the empire of the united states can do what it wants and no one else can say boo

jammyjenkins · 07-19-2002, 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by archer
the empire of the united states can do what it wants and no one else can say boo

That's actually rubbish, but I can't be bothered to explain why

look it up here:

http://www.foreignpolicy.com

Pathfinder · 07-19-2002, 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jammyjenkins

That's actually rubbish, but I can't be bothered to explain why

look it up here:

http://www.foreignpolicy.com

In part rubbish.

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vending_machine Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Seattle Posts: 1,062	I predict if our numbnuts of a president attacks Iraq and tries to overthrow Saddam, there WILL be a third world war. And yes, the US will be hit with nuclear as well as other "dirty" bombs... I hate Bush. Last edited by vending_machine; 07-18-2002 at 10:46 AM..

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Pathfinder theking of trailer parks Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Tehachapi, California Posts: 2,277	U.S. Iraq Campaign... It is becoming clearer that we are going to overthrow Sadam. We have authorized the CIA and SF to engage in covert actions. http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/meast/....ap/index.html Questions: #1: At this point in time do we (the USA) have a legitimate/legal cause to overthrow the leader of a soveriegn nation? #2: Should Bush be allowed to unilaterally act if our military forces are required to overthrow Sadam, or should the American people demand that Congress be the ones to make the decision to use military force.

07-18-2002, 07:47 AM	#2
PornMeister Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 158	#1 NO #2 YES

07-18-2002, 07:57 AM	#3
Thomas N Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 973	Pornmeister, you can't asnwer an 'or' question with a yes or a no. I can't tell you how many times I have tried to explain that to my wife... Me: "Honey do you want to go out for dinner tonight, or stay in and we'll cook" Wife: "Yes that sounds great!" Me:

07-18-2002, 09:44 AM	#6
Enchantress Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Wa. U.S.A Posts: 121	What I don't get is the angle on this. The white house just projected a 165 billion dollar deficit, so why would we engage in a costly campaign to overthrow a dictator who's not really proving to be a threat to us? It doesn't add up.

07-18-2002, 10:07 AM	#8
J.R. WantBoobs.com Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Calif & Washington Posts: 3,472	No Doubt! I would stockpile your own supplies.. I know I will You never know if thay can send some nukes are way. Luckily, I think we have the means to shoot them down before they would ever reach us. Let's pray that they do..

07-18-2002, 10:11 AM	#12
DarkJedi No Refunds Issued. Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: GFY Posts: 28,300	whats a putz ?

07-18-2002, 10:25 AM	#13
Enchantress Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Wa. U.S.A Posts: 121	Yes. Saddam Hussein is a crappy person, the world is full of crappy people, that doesn't make it ok to spend millions of taxpayer dollars to invade his country. If we adopt the attitude that having the power to do something gives us the right to do it, we are no better than the dictator we are threatening to oust. If it's in retaliation for 9/11 fine, but where's the evidence that there was any involvement? People seem so apathetic, but let me ask you, is it a cause you'd be willing to die for? More importantly, is it a cause you'd be willing to send your 18 year old kid off to die for? I'm not entirely opposed to the idea, I just think as citizens, and taxpayers we deserve a really good explanation as to why it's necessary and I haven't heard one yet.

07-18-2002, 10:37 AM	#16
volante Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: LAX Immigration Posts: 2,940	Am I the only one who thinks that Bush should spend some of that massive defence budget on a dictionary so he can get someone to look up the work "covert"?

07-18-2002, 10:44 AM	#18
jammyjenkins So Fucking Banned Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 1,371	yeah, i read today that under Iraq there's enough oil to run the US for 100 years Hmm, after all that oil's been used up, I'm sure we can enjoy the 60c summers! (that's meant to be centigrade. I've no idea how much that is in fahrenheit!)

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jammyjenkins So Fucking Banned Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 1,371	am I stupid or what? How do I do those fucking smiley pictures in my posts??!! I feel so left out ...

07-18-2002, 09:50 PM	#30
Pathfinder theking of trailer parks Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Tehachapi, California Posts: 2,277	I wasn't aware that assasination has been given the green light.

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SleazyDream I'm here for SPORT Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phone # (401) 285-0696 Posts: 41,470	Notradamis predicted a 20 year war with some guy in the middle east named madas - which curiously is Sadam spelled backwards............................... __________________ This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog! Now read without the word dog.

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Mr.Fiction Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Free Speech Land Posts: 9,484	Whether you support taking out Sadam or not, Bush shouldn't do it without approval from Congress. Bush and Cheney are under heavy pressure from all of their scandals. Do you really want them making decisions about our military, and the people in our military, just so that they can get their legal problems off of the front page of the papers? Bush also has a personal problem with Sadam because his dad couldn't kill him. Not to mention all of the money that the Bush family would probably make on the oil from the area if we took over Iraq. There are too many conflicts of interest between Bush and Iraq for him to make a decision based on the best interests of America. Even if you do support attacking Iraq, I think it's fair to say that Congress should have to approve before we make a major move.

07-18-2002, 11:18 PM	#34
Rochard Jägermeister Test Pilot Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: NORCAL Posts: 74,110	Bush SR wasn't able to kill him? Did you not see what happened in the Gulf when we kicked their asses? They didn't know what direction we were coming from! Their elite guard units were surrendering to news reporters. The US stopped - It's goal was to get Iraq out of Kuwiat, not to topple Iraq's government. Third World War? Iraq and what army? Not many countries seem to be siding with Iraq these days. Iran isn't going to come to their defense. Russia doesn't seem to be able to do jack, and Chinia doesn't seem to care. It's not about oil. Fuck Iraq. If we don't buy their oil they starve; There are a dozen other countries with the oil we need. __________________ “The choice is no longer between right or left. The choice is between normal and crazy.” - Sarah Huckabee Sanders YNOT MAIL \| THE BEST ADULT MAILING SOLUTION

07-19-2002, 11:31 AM	#35
jammyjenkins So Fucking Banned Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 1,371	G W has got a hard on for Saddam as he's trying to get revenge for Saddam almost getting his dad assasinated I say drown the whole fucking lot of them! (all bush's)

07-19-2002, 12:45 PM	#41
funkmaster So Fucking Banned Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: shell beach Posts: 7,938	... I remeber bush saying, we want him dead or alive ... that has been over 10 month ago ... how dangerous must osama be if even the us can´t get him ??

07-19-2002, 01:18 PM	#43
jammyjenkins So Fucking Banned Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 1,371	hmm ... you never see bin laden and bush in the same room at the same time do you? What does that tell you?

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funkmaster So Fucking Banned Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: shell beach Posts: 7,938	"Have you considered that we may have already got him?" ... sounds like you are talking about that guy in the eminem video !

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