dewpoint

I have pulled my original post. Seems that yes, as some accused me of, I was mislead. I reached my conclusion on TGP2's from some of the original posts found on this BBS about 1 month ago when the concept of the TGP2 was first being introduced.

Apparently the TGP2 has evolved into a honest and clean approach. (I took up the suggestion to check out some current, active TGP2 sites. I retract my orignal comments.



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Ludedude

Where in the world did you get the idea that TGP2 supports blind links??

Nothing is farther from the truth. If you want the real story, why not come to http://www.tgp2********* and ask if they support blind links, dishonesty or any other sort of treachery which you are accusing them of.

It's obvious that you're talking out of your ass...have never even seen a TGP2 gallery or most likely even a TGP2 site.

Get a clue before you accuse people!

As far as the gracious host of this BBS, he would certainly not accept advertising from the Midnight Collection (providers of the TGP2 submitter) if he thought we were going to tarnish or damage the reputation of the board or industry, would he?

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Rip

How is a tgp2 gallery different from a fpa with a few sample pics?

Is this good marketing?
(sorry the url was redirected now)
Essentially the new-webmaster had about 100 thumbs which he did not have a license to the pics, all on one page)

dum duh dum dum

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yys

From your post I can tell that you don't have a clue what your talking about although this might be due to this article http://www.theadultwebmaster.com/articles/tgp2.phtml . The whole idea behind TGP2's is to give the surfer less free porn, not to decieve them. I haven't seen any TGP2's that allow you to blindlink your thumbs to a sponsor. Anyways why would you want to do that, the traffic is much more productive and easier to sell a membership too then on a regular TGP. I suggest that the next time you post such a strong stand on something you get your facts straight first. You can read some unofficial rules for TGP2's at http://www.action-porn.com/ubb2/tgp2-rules.htm and for any other information on TGP2's I would suggest visiting this site http://www.tgp2.net .

dewpoint

As always, a professional & gracious reply. "Talking out of my ass".

Please correct me if I'm wrong ... Does every thumbnail on a TGP2 link to a full size picture. If not, then the answer is simple. This is deceiving the surfer. If I click on a thumbnail and get anything except a full size picture, then I have been mislead.

the New Shemp

They may not be "blind" links, but 2/3 of them are "dead" links - thumbs that go nowhere.

regards

shemp

yys

The thumbs that aren't linked are meant to be teasers,there just non-clickable thumbs. If a surfer wants to see more pics then let him pay for them. I don't see what any of the webmasters on this board would have to lose by giving the surfer less free porn.

the New Shemp

If I follow the theory correctly, then you should make galleries with one clickable thumb and 19 "dead thumbs"....then all you TGP2 guys would be mega rich.

regards,

shemp

Exxxotica

Nothing to loose but time. In my case, it isnt worth the time to make special galleries that IMO convert only slightly better.

Dont get me wrong...I still make TGP2 galleries when I have extra time...or nothing else better to do. I just would'nt "Praise Jesus for TGP2 concept".

The point of a TGP2 gallery is to give less porn, thus convincing the surfer that he or she needs to click on through to your sponsor to get the quality porn. If you have a good design, you can achive the same goal with a traditional gallery.

a list of 300 galleries with 5 clickable thumbs is not going to solve the conversion problem.

The way you make your galleries is what matters. You can have 5 clickable, or 15 clickable...if you gallery sucks...your gallery sucks.

yys

Are there not people making money from sites that have absolutly no content at all. You should make your money the best way you know how. Don't get me wrong, I don't believe that TGP2 is going to make me a millionaire but if you received an equal amount of uniques to a tgp and a tgp2 gallery which one do you think would "net" you more money. From my perspective the gallery with less content and less bandwidth usage would come out on top.
Exxxotica, I hear what your saying. The traffic numbers just aren't there to make a lot of money by solely posting TGP2 galleries but I see nothing wrong in beginning to condition some surfers to the idea that yes all these models aren't just exhibitionist who like to pose for them, no the internet really isn't free and yes if you'd like to see a lot of porn your going to have to pay for it.

Lane

tgp2 is gonna be fine
people are ready to pay money for paysites, but we are forcing them to look at free stuff. this has to end.
pictures are not free, so they shouldnt be provided for free

Rocky

i think too many people think that everyone surfing for porn look only at TGP's

you can find free porn just about anywhere

and if you they want to watch live amateur action for free, they go to places like http://www.camarades.com/adult

Ludedude

Quote:

They may not be "blind" links, but 2/3 of them are "dead" links - thumbs that go nowhere.

Shemp, there has been a great deal of debate on that very issue, and seems to be resolving itself into making galleries with ONLY 5 thumbs, no non-clickable images. Those galleries look pretty good, with a minimum of scrolling and very clean.

In any case, at NO time was there any endorsement of clickable thumbs leading anywhere but to a larger pic. No blind linked thumbs to sponsors etc. Since Lens has decided to anti-spam the tgp2 board, I won't try posting the url again but you all should have no problems finding it if you want to. The people driving the movement will be more than happy to answer any questions and have an open discussion.

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Ludedude

To Dewpoint:

You have my apologies for my reaction. Thank you for retracting your statements as well.

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harvey

Well, since maths are maths, if you need 10 dollars to make 30, it will be much better to spend only 1 dollar. This is what we have at this time. There's not much traffic yet? sure, but it's growing. Even more, as committed as I'm from the very beginning to the TGP idea, I just made a tgp myself (I'm essentially a gallery maker and designer): http://www.blacklatintgp.com It hasn't much traffic, but if you've some time, just go to sextracker and see how many bookmarks I have. You'll be surprised of a so called "crap-deceiving-TGP2-suckers" having almost 50% of its traffic coming from bookmarks. And I've the proofs to show that, and you can access them.
So: is TGP2 a bad idea? No
Is TGP2 the BEST idea? Sure not!
Is the best we can have? Possibly
Is the traffic quality better than TGP? Hell, yeah!

A final thought: Why is so many people bitchin' bout the TGP2 movement? If you don't like, just go back to your CJ, TGP, LL or whatever you run! Do you REALLY think your posts will make people go back from the TGP2 idea? Just take a look at the TGP2.net counter and you'll know the answer. After all, 99% of the people bitchin' about TGP2 will be TGP2 webmasters in a not so far future, so, why not endorse the movement NOW?

Well, that's my 0.2 euros and good night

Peace

Harvey

harvey

Or, of course, you can run a CJ or CJ2 and be cheated by 99% of your trades! And you'll make loaaaaaads of money!

Exxxotica

That's exactly the point...there is not yet enough traffic to get a good return on the time it takes to create one of these special galleries.

However, that's not the gallery makers problem...that is the problem of the TGP2 owner. How can he get his traffic up?

A gallery submitter is going to post to where ever he can make money. 50K of traffic with 3 signups is still better than 100 visitors and 1 signup.

eroswebmaster

Hell yeah people are bookmarking your site so they can avoid that fucking pop up hell you put them through after entering.

Also I would like to point out while tgp2 is a good idea on paper and you might get some good book marking done from some newbies you will soon lose that traffic when these people happen upon any other tgp that offers more free porn.

I am not against saving money on content or bandwidth but the simple fact is that tgp2 will never be able to compete with tgp1.

I don't care if 99.9% of the tgp's out there become tgp2's there is going to be that .10% that will work to steal all of their traffic. Anybody with any business sense let alone common sense will see that offering "less porn" is the weakest point of this concept that should be and will be exploited by regular tgp's wanting to increase their traffic.

I don't understand how tgp2 proponents can't see this.

eros

eroswebmaster

double post sorry

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wolfshade

That's bullshit!

What makes youthink we're competing with TGP1? TGP2 is an entirely different beast all together.

TGP2 can and will get bookmarkers if the TGP2 in questions plays it right.

Why should a listing of TGP2 galleries be the only content on the site?

We can add chat
We can add a linkportal
We can add a Hun like linkshelf system
We can even add dating centers or whatever.

The more interactive a site becomes the more appealing it is for the surfer.

I think comparing TGP2 only with TGP1 is a very limited view.

In a few days I will SHOW you all what I mean when Action Porn is 100% revamped and I guarantee that it will have many bookmarkers

With the above in mind I don't care what regular TGP they will visit I know they are going to return to Action Porn

As for getting traffic from TGP2 read this:

1 Does traffic matter?
Offcourse it does but not like we are lead to believe here.

At this point when you submit a TGP2 gallery you will receive about 100 hits a day by just submitting to the pool.

Our tests with 11!!! galleries have shown that you will get on avarage one sale per 100 hits.

Now it was posted(I believe by magnatique) that conversions are not like that accourding to him and I have a few things to say about that.

If we had posted just one gallery I would have agreed withthe statement but not after testing 11 galleries.

Therefor I conclude that it's a matter of design and marketing skills, that determine conversions.

Therefor I think the following is true:

The advantage of TGP2 besides a smaller bandwidth bill is the oportunity to get more creative with advertising and teh higher productivity on clickthroughs.

The rest is up to the gallerybuilder. Which means that how well a gallery converts is still in the marketing/design skills of the builder.

As further proof this is through I want to add that the galleries we tested were using liveteen as a sponsor(stiffycash) which is one of the most overexposed sites online.

If we can do 1 sale a day with 100 hits a day using that site it only ads proof to my statement above.

Offcourse we will continue to test different things with TGP2 and keep you all posted on what works, but for now the above is fact.

Now on teh build more TGTP2 galleries issue.

I say instead of 1 a day for regular TGP1 sites build 10 to 15 TGP2 galleries.

That got me the remark that it's sooooooooooooo timeconsuming to build them because you have to design them so nicely in order to convert.

WRONG!!!!

As I stated numerous times before:

For a surfer to click on an add he/she needs to see it at least 7 times. therefor repetition works. This goes for the galleries too. build those 10 to 15 galleries a day with the same lay-out make surfers recognise it, your sales will improve by 20 to 50%.

So to build those galleries is a matter taking the first gallery, change teh pics and save it under another name.

Use Midnights submitter and it works even faster.

Last but not least second page clicks work even better with TGP2 then with TGP1 and enables you to make $$$ from all clicks instead of just the sales from your main featured sponsor.

Make it like this:

1 TGP2 gallery ad-clicks leading to a second page with:

Sponsor FPA + exit for those that don't sign up.

Make money regardless is my motto

Wolfshade



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eroswebmaster

Because you are.

The average surfer out there doesn't know the difference between tgp 1, tgp2, free sites, pic posts they just know to save in their favorites folder the best place they can find for their free porn.

There is alot the average surfer doesn't know about this business.

I consider myself a savvy surfer and have been online for quite some time now...and before entering this biz a short time ago didn't know there was a difference between a tgp, cj, pic post etc. I thought they were all just porn sites and thumbnail galleries and were just places that people uploaded shit they came across on the net or on newsgroups.

I never considered that anyone other than the web site owner was making any money.

But during the last couple of years do you realize how many times I accidentally came across sites like Thumbzilla, and easy pic..etc. Too numerous to mention. My younger brother who just got online in the past couple of years and who to this day is still the poster boy for computer illiteracy found these sites easily through chat rooms on msn.

My point being...people book mark their favorite tgp2 sites...site has nice design, all of the bells and whistles you point out...but then they happen to stumble across Thumbzilla. Guess what site they are going to bookmark and probably start visiting on a regular basis.

You are far more experienced than I in this biz Wolfshade and I bow to your wisdom. But I am confused here.

You tell us "instead of 1 a day for regular TGP1 sites build 10 to 15 TGP2 galleries." which you then repeat again"build those 10 to 15 galleries a day"

Are you serious? In order for me to be a succesful tgp2 gallery maker I need to make anywhere from 70 to 100 galleries a week? And the reason I should do this is because you have tested this on just 11 galleries.

And the conversion rate on those 11 galleries was 1:100 correct? But more important how many actual sales was that? I look at this game like I do baseball. I could care less how many home runs you hit throughout the season while home runs are cool they don't necessarily reflect a win. More importantly how many wins and losses did your team put up on the scoreboard is what really counts.

If those galleries each only pulled a little over 100 click thrus then that's a total of 11 sales. I have done that in one day off of 1 gallery on 1 tgp as I am sure people here have done many times that off of 1 gallery in one day. I'm still a little fish in this big pond but seriously these numbers do not impresss me. I want to know total sales, not conversions...stats can be made to look good or bad.

I would like to sum this up with your own statement "Therefore I conclude that it's a matter of design and marketing skills, that determine conversions."

Exactly my point and everybody else's point regarding tgp2. It is not the tgp2 concept that is selling your product it is you yourself the gallery makers. If your gallery sucks it won't sell regardless of what kind of smokes and mirrors you put in front of your surfers.

There are some people in this industry yourself included who could probably sell an ice cube to an eskimo or a cup of hot java to a man sitting in hell.

eros



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magnatique

just like eros said about the 15 galleries a day...

Kimmykim

I cannot believe people are still whining about tgp2.

If you don't like it don't do it, it's that simple. No different than dialers or anything else.

I hate to be such a bitch (ok maybe not lol) but instead of spending time posting and editing and retracting, go build whatever it is you like to work with and submit it, I'll bet your chances of making a buck are greatly increased...

Exxxotica

But it's so fun!

I just cant pass up a chance to put my 2 cents in (sound familiar Kim?)

eroswebmaster

Okay let's all move on to bitching about that sorry ass processor ccbil

Just kidding
eros

Rod

If surfers knows so quickly about TGP's, then how the hell does link sites still gets traffic???!!!

Seriously, a lot of visitors likes better link sites than TGP's...because they like to surf porn...and they know that if they want REAL quality stuff, they need to buy a membership on a pay site.

One of my friend doesn't surfs TGP's at all, and he knows them, trust me. But, he surfs link sites...he's favorite site is link-o-rama.com

WHY?!

Just because he doesn't only want quick porn...he also wants NO popups and he also likes to surf into pay sites....just for the design.

There is plenty of surfers like that....otherwise, there wouldn't have ANY traffic on link sites...

So, my personal opinion is that TGP2 sites will succeed if they put in their rules that there is NO consoels at all, NO target="new" thing....this way, a lot of surfers will visit the TGP2 sites even if they know about the TGP1's.

My 2 cents.

Kimmykim

"I just cant pass up a chance to put my 2 cents in (sound familiar Kim?) "
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as long as you are making two more...

Friendly football pool anyone?
http://216.218.221.164/opc.html

eroswebmaster

I love it when people help me make my point.

Link lists are yet another competition that will offer more porn than a tgp2 and therefore will continue to benefit especially if a majority of tgp's convert to tgp2 as the tgp2 proponents keep suggesting will happen.

eros

eroswebmaster

Sorry Kimmykim I had to respond...but I guess I should follow your suggestion and get to work...Lord knows submitting 15 tgp2 galleries a day is the way to save and make money.

eros

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