Friendly advice: Do Cams

[MrDeiz]

My cam properties are much smaller than adults, but cams are about to generate half of my earnings pretty soon.

Paysite model is almost dead, at least for individual webmasters. I suggest you to STOP working on your adult properties NOW! and DO CAMS. Use your current sites to promote your cam sites. I feel an idiot i didn't focus on cams during the past years.

That's a list of cam sites and programs you can start with http://www.signbucks.com/webcam-affiliate-programs

Some other tips:
- PPL/PPS is more profitable than revshare with most programs i promote. If you do revshare you should do it thru WL
- small cams also generate sales. at first i thought i can only make money with big cams, but small cams work great if that's what your traffic is looking for.

[xNetworx]

Cams FTW

[Niktamer]

cams are close to be 50% of our overall sales.

[The Porn Nerd]

Yes ok - but HOW? HOW do you "promote" cams if you have paysites like I do? Just throw cam ads all over them? LOL

Just saying 'promote cams' doesn't help anyone. Maybe your GFY post count but little else. Some actual HOW TO's would be nice. That is, if you are really interested in helping.

[MrDeiz]

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

Yes ok - but HOW? HOW do you "promote" cams if you have paysites like I do? Just throw cam ads all over them? LOL

Just saying 'promote cams' doesn't help anyone.

from my experience paysite traffic doesn't necessarily do well with cams. it's a task for webmaster to figure out how to sell shit. in many cases it doesn't make a sense to sell paysites any longer, while you still can do great with cams.
what i'm saying: there's no fish in this lake, there's some good in that one. go figure out your bait

[Plutocracy]

Thanks for the list

[Klen]

What happened to celeb sites ?

[MrDeiz]

Originally Posted by KlenTelaris

What happened to celeb sites ?

went to shit over past months.
fact: you can't sell what is free. even vivid stuff could be found free, while vivid is the only effective company who fights piracy

[clickity click]

Fuck off . No money in cams.

[JA$ON]

doesn't work

no money

move on

;)

[edgeprod]

VenusBlogger says otherwise, and he's brilliant!

[LeRoy]

Paysites are far from dead!

[pr0phet]

So doing cams.. What about all the google blacklisting?

[clickity click]

Yeah. If you do cams your site will be google blacklisted and all sites you are associated with.

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by edgeprod

VenusBlogger says otherwise, and he's brilliant!

This +1

Originally Posted by pr0phet

So doing cams.. What about all the google blacklisting?

Originally Posted by clickity click

Yeah. If you do cams your site will be google blacklisted and all sites you are associated with.

MrDiez is just trying to point you in the wrong direction to protect what he is really doing to make coin. Do not believe the Ukranian dude, it will bite you on the ass.

If you do anything with Cams Google will ax you immediately so please please DO NOT promote cams in any way. I repeat Cams promotion is dangerous to you and your web presence so please DO NOT promote cams. If you were thinking of starting, DON'T! If you are already promoting cams, stop immediately before Google ruins your life FOR EVER !!!!

I repeat once more for the hard of hearing:

DO NOT PROMOTE CAMS!


just my

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[2MuchMark]

Cams do extremely well especially considering all the content theft and lost sales thanks to Tube sites.

End users are tired of photos and videos that are typical of membership sites and instead prefer to spend their money actually interacting with the models. It doesn't take long for customers to become attached to the model(s) they like, and begin spending a surprising amount. Single "Whales" easily spend over $30,000 a year talking to just one model, and there are even bigger whales out there that spend much more than this.

You don't need to be a big cam site to make money in cams. Customers love the model, not the site, and want to connect with her.

Getting into cams is easy and cheap. We offer our own solution for only $199 a month (see http://www.2Much.net ) but there are plenty of other service providers out there too.

The best thing a model interested in adult can do is get into live cams.

[aka123]

Originally Posted by sarettah

If you do anything with Cams Google will ax you immediately so please please DO NOT promote cams in any way. I repeat Cams promotion is dangerous to you and your web presence so please DO NOT promote cams. If you were thinking of starting, DON'T! If you are already promoting cams, stop immediately before Google ruins your life FOR EVER !!!!

This is somekind of a joke, right?

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by sarettah

If you do anything with Cams Google will ax you immediately so please please DO NOT promote cams in any way. I repeat Cams promotion is dangerous to you and your web presence so please DO NOT promote cams. If you were thinking of starting, DON'T! If you are already promoting cams, stop immediately before Google ruins your life FOR EVER !!!!

Hi Sarattah,

What you are saying doesn't jive. I was talking by voice with Google rep just a couple of hours ago and they have absolutely no problem with Cam sites. We purchase advertising via Google Adwords, and he was helping to optimize our ads and placements.

If Google banned a site promoting cams, it might have been for another reason such as inappropriate content maybe?

[NoWhErE]

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

Yes ok - but HOW? HOW do you "promote" cams if you have paysites like I do? Just throw cam ads all over them? LOL

Just saying 'promote cams' doesn't help anyone. Maybe your GFY post count but little else. Some actual HOW TO's would be nice. That is, if you are really interested in helping.

Create a whitelabel with your brand name, setup direct billing through your processor (so the user doesn't have to submit his CC details twice) and have an auto-signup process so that the user doesn't have to create a new account.

Voilà, you now have a seemless transition between your Member's area and the cam whitelabel.

[TeenCat]

Friendly advice: Do Cans

[clickity click]

Originally Posted by **********

Cams do extremely well especially considering all the content theft and lost sales thanks to Tube sites.

End users are tired of photos and videos that are typical of membership sites and instead prefer to spend their money actually interacting with the models. It doesn't take long for customers to become attached to the model(s) they like, and begin spending a surprising amount. Single "Whales" easily spend over $30,000 a year talking to just one model, and there are even bigger whales out there that spend much more than this.

You don't need to be a big cam site to make money in cams. Customers love the model, not the site, and want to connect with her.

Getting into cams is easy and cheap. We offer our own solution for only $199 a month (see http://www.2Much.net ) but there are plenty of other service providers out there too.

The best thing a model interested in adult can do is get into live cams.

Originally Posted by **********

Hi Sarattah,

What you are saying doesn't jive. I was talking by voice with Google rep just a couple of hours ago and they have absolutely no problem with Cam sites. We purchase advertising via Google Adwords, and he was helping to optimize our ads and placements.

If Google banned a site promoting cams, it might have been for another reason such as inappropriate content maybe?

Ok, we get it.. You are trying to sell your overpriced service however Sarattah is correct. Cams will get you burnt.

You could create a whitelabel but truth is you will compete with a million other white labels, all exactly the same. You are not special and you will not compete. You will earn exactly $0.00 a year.

Teencat offers the best advice, promote cans. Aluminium is where he future is.

[seeric]

Originally Posted by MrDeiz

went to shit over past months.
fact: you can't sell what is free. even vivid stuff could be found free, while vivid is the only effective company who fights piracy

You couldn't be farther from the truth. Vivid is one of the most aggressive companies when it comes to piracy, and the Vivid piracy abatement team does a fantastic job. It's a no win battle until the government takes some action to remove the safe harbor provisions that work for the free sites, and against the content producers. Until that time, the option is to keep up, which the Vivid team does in an amazing way, utilizing many different piracy abatement angles. To be honest with you, Vivid has had more problems with the affiliates/other adult sites stealing it's content over the last 3 years than they have had problems with consumers and repeat infringers. Meaning, more times that not when stolen content is discovered, there is normally an adult site at the end of the upload that is benefiting. The industry is full of thieves. That is a fact.

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by **********

Hi Sarattah,

What you are saying doesn't jive. I was talking by voice with Google rep just a couple of hours ago and they have absolutely no problem with Cam sites. We purchase advertising via Google Adwords, and he was helping to optimize our ads and placements.

If Google banned a site promoting cams, it might have been for another reason such as inappropriate content maybe?

First of all Mr TooMuch, it is Sarettah, not Sarattah. It is rude as fuck to misspell someone's name when you have known them (or known of them) for probably 10 years across multiple boards. You Canadians need to learn to show some fucking respect.

Of course you want people to promote cams, you sell a cam product, duh. If people realize that cams are actually the devil's doorway and stop promoting them then you are out of luck and living on the streets. Same with MrDiez, he recently went through and updated his list with all the cam sponsors so of course he wants people to think cams work. he wants people to go to his list and click through on the cam sponsors so he can pick up the referrals off of it. If people realize that cams are dead and have been since Jennifer Ringley closed up shop then you guys have nobody to con any more.

GOOD TRY BUT NO FUCKING CIGAR!

Cams are evil. They will ruin your life. They will rot your teeth, they are responsible for more stds then that crack whore you visit every Friday. They will cause your wife to leave you. They will cause your children to become gender confused drug addicts who will wind up in jail or worse yet gunned down by cops like dogs in the street.

DO NOT PROMOTE CAMS !



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[aka123]

Originally Posted by sarettah

Your sarcasm is quite shitty.

Or if you are for real, you could for starters stop promoting cams in your signature. Other advices are so obvious that they don't need to expressed.

[MrPotatoBread]

Originally Posted by aka123

Your sarcasm is quite shitty.

Or if you are for real, you could for starters stop promoting cams in your signature. Other advices are so obvious that they don't need to expressed.

Lol. This thread just gave me a headache. Haha

[Barry-xlovecam]

80% of my personal cam affiliate traffic is SEO referrals from Google and none of my cam affiliate websites are whitelabels. Learn to program with the cam sites' XML files ... Or, refer your traffic from sites that are adult related with heavy established member traffic.

I am in the people business not the porn business. Adult webcams are not about a fast wank to a video: if you can't get that through your head -- stay away -- you will just fail.

[MrDeiz]

Originally Posted by seeric

what i stated is:
- vivid is the only company who succeeds at fighting piracy;
- vivid content still could be found for free.

while content of others could be found just at any pirate site, your content is available at very few sites. i barely search, but every time i search i find pirate links and submit those to Steve. some videos have 100,000+ views over a few months. those get removed every time i report. but i also know some places where you can't get stuff removed and i don't even try to report those (piratebay, vk, etc).

to finalize: vivid does A+ job at removing pirated content while "it's a battle you can't ever win".

anyways that's a topic on doing cams
just curious how vivid cams are doing, both WL and your studio

and btw just to clarify "affiliate part" - you mean someone steals your videos in order to profit from it in some other ways, rather than just sharing?

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by aka123

Your sarcasm is quite shitty.

Or if you are for real, you could for starters stop promoting cams in your signature. Other advices are so obvious that they don't need to expressed.

You post what you want to post and I will post what I want to post. Ok?

You have problems with what I post, don't read it. Sheez.

I am trying to give people good solid advice based on like 500 years in this industry.

I promote cams in my sigs because I am just as evil as TooMuch Mack and Mr. Diez. So, promoting cams cannot fuck up my life because it is already fucked beyond belief.

Before I started promoting cams I was a happily married man with a beautiful wife, 3 wonderful children and 2 great dogs.

The very day I put up my first cam site both dogs ran away. I could not find them anywhere until a couple of days ago when I found them behind the local Quicktrip living in the dumpster. Neither one recognized me and both tried to attack me. From what I could tell, Peter, the male now hangs out with a gay German Shepherd named Fritz.

Then about a week into it my youngest daughter came home and told me that she decided that she was a lesbian and was moving in with her girlfriend Butch.

Then I come home the next night and find that my wife has left. She cleared out the house, even took the 96 inch plasma screen with her. She left a note saying that she was going to go live on a commune in Oregon some place called GangBangTrainLand or some such.

Then my son gets busted for trying to sell fake pot to a fake cop, furthermore he gave the real cops shit so they threw him in the pokey with some 900lb gorilla named Mr. Shirley. I don't think I have to go further into that.

Just yesterday, my oldest daughter came home and told me that she couldn't stand it any more and that she was leaving to go live in a Scientology convent and oh by the way she cashed in the trust fund I set up for her 20 years ago and gave it all to the church.

Me personally have been going down the tubes health wise ever since I started promoting cams. First it was just a little skin tumor that had to be scraped off. Then I caught Malaria of the toenail. Malaria is bad enough, but when you get Malaria of the toenail that is absolutely the worst kind of Malaria to get. Survival rate is 0 (yes that is zero, zilch, nada, no fucking hope at all).

So, if you want to go ahead and promote cams then by all means just ignore all the warnings and go ahead and promote them.

Don't come crying to me though when your life is destroyed because I will just laugh (if the malaria doesn't kill me first).

.

[clickity click]

Lmfao, I have very similar stories to tell. Promoting cams is an illness that will severely affect you and those around you.

[aka123]

Originally Posted by sarettah

you post what you want to post and i will post what i want to post. Ok?

ok.......

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

Learn to program with the cam sites' XML files ...

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.














dammit.

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[sarettah]

Originally Posted by aka123

ok.......

And for the record. I am never sarcastic. I never post in jest. I am always 100% serious in every post I make.
























Except when I'm not ;p

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[The Porn Nerd]

OK........

So to sum up this psychotic thread:

Mr. Deiz cannot sell paysites so therefore no one can. There are no more fish in that pond. (Except I pull dozens of fish from that pond every single day.)

If you promote cams THE RIGHT WAY you make bank.
If you do not know how to promote cams then you get Google-fucked.

I have a WL in my Mem Areas and make a measly $200 a month, on a good month. Obviously I am doing something wrong here and need a new sponser.

If you can 'design using the cams XML feed' then you are golden. I do not know what this means, of course, but I am hoping someone will contact me off-GFY with this precious info and I can reciprocate by......?

So basically: thanks for nuttin'.


EDIT:

Originally Posted by NoWhErE

Create a whitelabel with your brand name, setup direct billing through your processor (so the user doesn't have to submit his CC details twice) and have an auto-signup process so that the user doesn't have to create a new account.

Voilà, you now have a seemless transition between your Member's area and the cam whitelabel.

Thanks for this. I do not have this in place but will soon. Perhaps Crak and I can do some biz together?

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

OK........

So to sum up this psychotic thread:

Mr. Deiz cannot sell paysites so therefore there no more fish in that pond. Except I pull dozens of fish from that pond every single day.

If you promote cams THE RIGHT WAY you make bank.
If you do not know how to promote cams then you are Google-fucked.

I have a WL in my Mem Areas and make a measly $200 a month, on a good month. Obviously I am doing something wrong here and need a new sponser.

If you can 'design using the cams XML feed' then you are golden. I do not know what this means, of course, but I am hoping someone will contact me off-GFY with this precious info and I can reciprocate by......?

So basically: thanks for nuttin'.

Don't forget all the disease and horrible evil things there.

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[CAHEK]

No money in cams.

Move On.

See my sig below and make some money.

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by CAHEK

No money in cams.

Move On.

See my sig below and make some money.

Dating is worse then cams. I would tell you what happened after I set up my first dating domain but Eric would probably ban me because it is just disgusting.

.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by clickity click

Ok, we get it.. You are trying to sell your overpriced service however Sarattah is correct.

Actually, no, I am just mentioning what we do. And, we offer a free trial now too. We offer an alternative to the "free cam site" business model, that is all.

Originally Posted by clickity click

Cams will get you burnt.

So then why is your website, http://www.nudecamreviews.com, promoting ImLive, Jasmin, Webcams.com and others?

Originally Posted by clickity click

You could create a whitelabel but truth is you will compete with a million other white labels, all exactly the same. You are not special and you will not compete. You will earn exactly $0.00 a year.

This can be true of course but only if you promote your site in the wrong way. I myself am no fan of white labels of other sites because the customers that affiliates bring to the big cam sites, belong to those cam sites. The affiliate gets a commission but owns zero in the long run with many sites. This is what makes us different.

Originally Posted by clickity click

Teencat offers the best advice, promote cans. Aluminium is where he future is.

When can we expect you to follow your own advice and remove all of the cams from your own site and replace them with Aluminium companies?

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by sarettah

First of all Mr TooMuch, it is Sarettah, not Sarattah. It is rude as fuck to misspell someone's name when you have known them (or known of them) for probably 10 years across multiple boards. You Canadians need to learn to show some fucking respect.

I'm sorry I misspelled your name.

Originally Posted by sarettah

Of course you want people to promote cams, you sell a cam product, duh.

Of course, and of course I lean towards cam sites because of it.

But I am also speaking from personal experience. We do quite well despite our small spot of the marketplace. But even if you don't believe me, all you need to do is check in with the LiveJasmins and MFC's and Streamates of the world to see how they are doing.

I am also speaking from personal preference. Looking at a bunch of pictures of some hot chick or watching her videos is nothing compared to the personal 1 on 1 live experience that a customer can get via video chat. End users can have very, very specific interests, fetishes and requests that many times are never found in pictures or video clips.

The thrill that the end user gets when he knows that the girl he dreams of is fulfilling his fantasy is tremendous to alot of people, which keeps them coming back for more. This is why cam sites, even small cam sites, thrive in today's over-crowded online porn marketplace.

Originally Posted by sarettah

If people realize that cams are actually the devil's doorway and stop promoting them then you are out of luck and living on the streets.

Cams are evil. They will ruin your life. They will rot your teeth, they are responsible for more stds then that crack whore you visit every Friday. They will cause your wife to leave you. They will cause your children to become gender confused drug addicts who will wind up in jail or worse yet gunned down by cops like dogs in the street.

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Why do you call them the Devils Doorway? Sorry man, I'm really confused as to why you hate cams so much... and why do you have Chaturbate in your sig? Are you trolling? Why, you dirty....

peace.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by sarettah

You post what you want to post and I will post what I want to post. Ok?

You have problems with what I post, don't read it. Sheez.

I am trying to give people good solid advice based on like 500 years in this industry.

I promote cams in my sigs because I am just as evil as TooMuch Mack and Mr. Diez. So, promoting cams cannot fuck up my life because it is already fucked beyond belief.

Before I started promoting cams I was a happily married man with a beautiful wife, 3 wonderful children and 2 great dogs.

The very day I put up my first cam site both dogs ran away. I could not find them anywhere until a couple of days ago when I found them behind the local Quicktrip living in the dumpster. Neither one recognized me and both tried to attack me. From what I could tell, Peter, the male now hangs out with a gay German Shepherd named Fritz.

Then about a week into it my youngest daughter came home and told me that she decided that she was a lesbian and was moving in with her girlfriend Butch.

Then I come home the next night and find that my wife has left. She cleared out the house, even took the 96 inch plasma screen with her. She left a note saying that she was going to go live on a commune in Oregon some place called GangBangTrainLand or some such.

Then my son gets busted for trying to sell fake pot to a fake cop, furthermore he gave the real cops shit so they threw him in the pokey with some 900lb gorilla named Mr. Shirley. I don't think I have to go further into that.

Just yesterday, my oldest daughter came home and told me that she couldn't stand it any more and that she was leaving to go live in a Scientology convent and oh by the way she cashed in the trust fund I set up for her 20 years ago and gave it all to the church.

Me personally have been going down the tubes health wise ever since I started promoting cams. First it was just a little skin tumor that had to be scraped off. Then I caught Malaria of the toenail. Malaria is bad enough, but when you get Malaria of the toenail that is absolutely the worst kind of Malaria to get. Survival rate is 0 (yes that is zero, zilch, nada, no fucking hope at all).

So, if you want to go ahead and promote cams then by all means just ignore all the warnings and go ahead and promote them.

Don't come crying to me though when your life is destroyed because I will just laugh (if the malaria doesn't kill me first).

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Bahahahaha ok I get it now... well played.

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by **********

Bahahahaha ok I get it now... well played.

Hmm, You're a little faster then the normal human being, aren't you? Oh, I forgot, you're Canadian. Sorry for confusing you ;p

.

[oppoten]

Originally Posted by sarettah

Cams are evil...They will rot your teeth.

This much is true, especially for Brits

[TheSquealer]

Why don't big media buyers promote cams? EPC's are lower.
/thread

[wehateporn]

My traffic doesn't like cams, prefers paysites

[CPA-Rush]

Originally Posted by **********

I'm sorry I misspelled your name.


Looking at a bunch of pictures of some hot chick or watching her videos is nothing compared to the personal 1 on 1 live experience that a customer can get via video chat. End users can have very, very specific interests, fetishes and requests that many times are never found in pictures or video clips.

this true , model wait until the moment guest reveal his fetish then just ban him

[anexsia]

Venusblogger was a genius and far ahead of his time I like promoting paysites.

[The Porn Nerd]

So wait - by 'cams' you mean 'cameras', right?

Why would anyone promote cameras? Does Best Buy have an affiliate program or something?

[signupdamnit]

I think it's more for most affiliates:

"Don't focus on paysites in 2014"

Compare $/impression if you can or use $/unique if you don't have those metrics. If you are an affiliate driving targeted traffic you will probably find dating and cams do better. If not then by all means focus on the paysites working for you.

For the angry paysite owners it is nothing personal. The paysite industry largely abandoned affiliates and chose to allow all their content to be handed out for free on the tubes. Many of you cheered it on or did nothing so we got to this point. If you really want affiliates again you are probably going to have to sweeten the pot in some way because $0.005 EPC probably isn't going to cut it. Otherwise you might not find many takers....

[RyuLion]

Cams is $$. moving on..

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by seeric

You couldn't be farther from the truth. Vivid is one of the most aggressive companies when it comes to piracy, and the Vivid piracy abatement team does a fantastic job. It's a no win battle until the government takes some action to remove the safe harbor provisions that work for the free sites, and against the content producers. Until that time, the option is to keep up, which the Vivid team does in an amazing way, utilizing many different piracy abatement angles. To be honest with you, Vivid has had more problems with the affiliates/other adult sites stealing it's content over the last 3 years than they have had problems with consumers and repeat infringers. Meaning, more times that not when stolen content is discovered, there is normally an adult site at the end of the upload that is benefiting. The industry is full of thieves. That is a fact.

It's too bad the people at the top didn't do more to stop piracy in our industry. Instead they had drinks while the pirates delivered the keynote. I guess we reap what we sow.

[Mutt]

Originally Posted by NoWhErE

Create a whitelabel with your brand name, setup direct billing through your processor (so the user doesn't have to submit his CC details twice) and have an auto-signup process so that the user doesn't have to create a new account.

Voilà, you now have a seemless transition between your Member's area and the cam whitelabel.

How do you get CCBILL/EPOCH and the cam site the white label is a front for to set this up?