It's easy to shoot great porn today.

[Paul Markham]

If you have a clue.

http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.ph...key=1596158837

OK this is a little bit slow. It's aimed I feel at a female/couples market. Yet it shows real passion, real emotions and no one insulting or degrading their partner or sex.

How hard is it to shoot this today?

Not hard at all. Tell the models what you need them to do. You can adjust it to suit your niche and style. Then put the camera on a mono pod to steady it and press record. Models who start to do it wrong can be stopped and told again how it's to be done. Those who refuse are told to fuck off without any money.

No one spits on genitalia, no one says any stupid phrases that only get said in porn films. Models have a great time, lots of fun and orgasms. Max to shoot in a day with couples is 2, 3 with solo girl.

So why do people shoot the same cloned fake crap that's everywhere?

Waiting for answers. The only one I can think of is they're selling to 18 year old virgins who never had sex. Because most porn today is nothing like real sex.

[stocktrader23]

I agree with you for once. Mark it on the calendar. Most porn sucks, fact.

[NewNick]

Love this content.

[stocktrader23]

I'm a fan of this one.

http://www.youporn.com/watch/650707/...nds-boyfriend/

No idea what it would cost to shoot, have to ask the expert.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by NewNick

Love this content.

I see so much content that has models faking their way through a scene or just putting on a crap or even strange performance and wonder why?

Anyone who wants to shoot good content need only look at the mainstream sex scenes on www.mrskin.com then alter them to include real sex, genitalia, fucking what ever. Tell the models to get on with it so you can see/film it and press record.

Needs a bit of skill to get lighting, angles, framing right. But that's the easy part. Contrary to what Cherry thinks, shooting porn is about making models work, not cameras.

A high quality image of low quality porn = low quality porn.
A low quality image of high quality porn = high quality porn.

[tical]

[tical]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

I see so much content that has models faking their way through a scene or just putting on a crap or even strange performance and wonder why?

Anyone who wants to shoot good content need only look at the mainstream sex scenes on www.mrskin.com then alter them to include real sex, genitalia, fucking what ever. Tell the models to get on with it so you can see/film it and press record.

Needs a bit of skill to get lighting, angles, framing right. But that's the easy part. Contrary to what Cherry thinks, shooting porn is about making models work, not cameras.

A high quality image of low quality porn = low quality porn.
A low quality image of high quality porn = high quality porn.

Shut the fuck up already! 99% of people that put on a porno do so to watch people FUCK. Only creepy weirdos like you spend time analyzing the psyche of a model as she's getting nailed. WTF is wrong with you?

[stocktrader23]

Originally Posted by tical

Shut the fuck up already! 99% of people that put on a porno do so to watch people FUCK. Only creepy weirdos like you spend time analyzing the psyche of a model as she's getting nailed. WTF is wrong with you?

You'd be wrong there bud. I make money with webcams only because most webmasters are too stupid to promote them effectively. I thank you all for that though.

[stocktrader23]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

A high quality image of low quality porn = low quality porn.
A low quality image of high quality porn = high quality porn.

An iPhone image of a sexy girl = money out of my ass.

[tical]

Do you really fucking sit there, dick in hand, watching porn... only to think, "Oh no, poor Jenna... I can really tell something is bothering her. I wonder if it's a family issue... WELP... I'm flaccid now... better put this bad-boy away"

[Emil]

I think this one is better:
http://www.cliphunter.com/w/942709/

[stocktrader23]

Originally Posted by tical

Do you really fucking sit there, dick in hand, watching porn... only to think, "Oh no, poor Jenna... I can really tell something is bothering her. I wonder if it's a family issue... WELP... I'm flaccid now... better put this bad-boy away"

No, I just find some non boring porn before I get started. (Like most of the civilized world.)

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

If you have a clue.

http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.ph...key=1596158837

OK this is a little bit slow. It's aimed I feel at a female/couples market. Yet it shows real passion, real emotions and no one insulting or degrading their partner or sex.

How hard is it to shoot this today?

Not hard at all. Tell the models what you need them to do. You can adjust it to suit your niche and style. Then put the camera on a mono pod to steady it and press record. Models who start to do it wrong can be stopped and told again how it's to be done. Those who refuse are told to fuck off without any money.

No one spits on genitalia, no one says any stupid phrases that only get said in porn films. Models have a great time, lots of fun and orgasms. Max to shoot in a day with couples is 2, 3 with solo girl.

So why do people shoot the same cloned fake crap that's everywhere?

Waiting for answers. The only one I can think of is they're selling to 18 year old virgins who never had sex. Because most porn today is nothing like real sex.

That is one of the most boring porn flicks ever. My peewee didn't even tingle from it.

Boring porn is very easy to shoot, what you showed is very boring porn. This is why you like it though, it's a reflection of your shoots.

It's funny that you don't get the fantasy of porn, what the dirty guy actually likes.

[stocktrader23]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

That is one of the most boring porn flicks ever. My peewee didn't even tingle from it.

Boring porn is very easy to shoot, what you showed is very boring porn. This is why you like it though, it's a reflection of your shoots.

It's funny that you don't get the fantasy of porn, what the dirty guy actually likes.

There are kinks of all kinds but porn producers vastly overestimate the number of people that want to watch guys hocking loogies into a girls pussy / mouth.

[CaptainHowdy]

Here we go again ...

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by stocktrader23

There are kinks of all kinds but porn producers vastly overestimate the number of people that want to watch guys hocking loogies into a girls pussy / mouth.

Other than very hardcore porn - which anything kinda goes.... and besides swapping of course, I really don't recall spitting as being a main thing that happens in pornos.

[Jel]

UK Porn production in the 60s, was mostly done in tiny dingy flats on a shoe string budget and very much in the way I described. They moved location all the time, it was kept very secret and even with the pay offs to the London Vice Squad it was still very low key. Even though the retail sales of a Soho Porn Shop were good and generated enough money to interest criminals. The lack of supply and selection resulted in a pretty bad product. Nothing to compare with the product of the late 1980s and 1990s, which were in my opinion the best years for those in porn. Because of the huge demand and the number of suppliers.

Today the demand is bigger, yet the supply is so big, the result is little is left per supplier. Without the factor of free porn. The cake is bigger, yet not big enough to satisfy all the new people feeding off it. Anyway back to 1960s.

color climax magazineUK Porn production in the 60s all changed in the late 60s. Suddenly Color Climax magazines burst onto the scenes. they were awesome for their day, properly shot, printed and bound together in a real magazine. Every month a new one came out and the smugglers had a problem keeping up with demand. No sooner had a new one hit the shops, it was sold out in a matter of days and then everyone had to wait for the next smuggled load to arrive. I believe mostly in the backs on lorries coming across on ferries. This information was not for us to know. We were merely there to sell them. Every so often I was told by Tom to go grab a cab, go to an address which often changed, pick up a box and bring it to the warehouse. A little basement flat where the stocks were held. And sometimes went there to warehouse, well grotty basement flat if you prefer, and bring back some magazines.

Color climax films

Then films hit the shops. And my days as a UK porn stud were done. Or so I thought. The production of home grown UK porn plummeted. Why bother when those lovely guys over at Color Climax were doing such a great job? No more being paid to fuck in front of a camera in an often freezing cold or baking hot grotty location by an idiot with a camera and a girl who had as much life in her as a cadaver. On the down side no more getting 2 weeks wages for half a days work. Now that really hurt. Still had a few live shows. but the money earned from porn production was missed more than the free sex. Much more. Now we had properly produced and duplicated films from people who had a clue. And it was my job to review them all and get paid for it, so not so bad after all.

Business was booming. Buyers would get a magazine or film one month, keep it for a week or month or many would return them and get a 50% return against their next purchase. So the shop bought once and sold it over and over again. Probably why there was ahuge criminal element involved in the Soho Porn Shop business.

Now I look back on it, with 4 decades in porn, I wonder what my thoughts were then. I never thought of what I was doing as a huge crime. I was merely involved in the organisation. Tom occasionally told me to get out of the shop after a call or when I went in told me to get out. I knew this to mean the heat was coming down and it was best for me to make myself scarce. Never thought of the consequences. As a 16-18 year old, you never do. You’re just having a bit of fun. As for the UK laws on porn, well today they are absurd to the point of idiocy. To sell a porn movie porn shop has to be licensed, which costs money. To sell a porn film legally in the UK it has to be certificated by the BBFC handling fees. Handling fee £75 per submission plus £6.00 per minute for full length of work. Which means a 90 minute DVD costs £615 just to license one DVD with 5 scenes.

Add the production costs or license costs for overseas produced movies the cost is a lot compared with the sales of a DVD. It’s to “control” the flood of porn into the UK. Which means those that shaped and continue to uphold this law have no clue of what the Internet is. Even though they use it themselves to list laws and put up information. And anyone can go online and access what porn they like or open a site and publish what porn they like. Well within certain boundaries.

[Fletch XXX]

porn today has to have people spitting on the girl, play slapping her and calling her whore.

producers who do that stuff, enjoy degradation themselves, most viewers dont want that stuff in pron, i know i dont.

lol

[stocktrader23]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

Other than very hardcore porn - which anything kinda goes.... and besides swapping of course, I really don't recall spitting as being a main thing that happens in pornos.

I see it often without looking for it. Anyhow, there is a gigantic niche out there for "realistic" porn. Most of the stuff we have these days started out as niche because nobody else was doing it, it converted well because nobody else was doing it, then they mass produced it.

I don't like the spitting but I also don't like the standard "[Insert obviously doing this for money porn star here] getting fucked" porn either.

[stocktrader23]

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

porn today has to have people spitting on the girl, play slapping her and calling her whore.

producers who do that stuff, enjoy degradation themselves, most viewers dont want that stuff in pron, i know i dont.

lol

Exactly. I wish we had some internal numbers on how much the big webcam sites made while most were happy with their (terrible in my opinion) conversions on regular old porn. I think most would shit if iFriends for instance opened their books and showed us just how many billions that segment of the market made on real people doing dirty things. It would dwarf the numbers for paysites in the same time period.

Degradation sells, just not as much as you would be led to believe by looking at how many of those sites are available.

[Shap]

Originally Posted by tical

Do you really fucking sit there, dick in hand, watching porn... only to think, "Oh no, poor Jenna... I can really tell something is bothering her. I wonder if it's a family issue... WELP... I'm flaccid now... better put this bad-boy away"

It's something that happens subliminally and changes the way people feel about a scene. He's just itemizing it

[marlboroack]

That's what she said.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by tical

Shut the fuck up already! 99% of people that put on a porno do so to watch people FUCK. Only creepy weirdos like you spend time analyzing the psyche of a model as she's getting nailed. WTF is wrong with you?

Then they can watch anything on a free tube site and maybe you can sell 1,000 clicks for $2.

In the real world where people want to sign up to a specific theme, niche or style of porn they do think, empathise and link to the performers.

What is wrong with me?

I think porn is about more than flesh.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

porn today has to have people spitting on the girl, play slapping her and calling her whore.

producers who do that stuff, enjoy degradation themselves, most viewers dont want that stuff in pron, i know i dont.

lol

Spot on. Can you imagine what a girl would do if you spoke to her like guys speak to porn stars, or spat on her pussy. Or she did that to you?

Are we aiming at 15 year old boys or guys who never had sex?

There's always been two types of porn consumers. Those who can get off on generally anything and those with more refined tastes. Not refined in terms of better class. Both use to have to buy to get porn. Today the less refined ones can get it for free.

Those want to see something that's real for them. Rings a bell in their memory or fantasies. It has to be something they can link to. Next show in Vegas take a walk to the porn DVD show and see the guys lining up to get an autograph of a porn star. These are not people who will "knock one out" to any piece of flesh and our prime market.

Tical is clearly clueless and probably just shoves clicks around. Here's what he shold of said.

Do you really fucking sit there, dick in hand, watching porn... only to think, "Oh no, lucky Jenna... I can really SEE the sex isgetting to her. I wonder if if she WILL get off like that when I fuck her?... WELP... I'm cumming now... better put this bad-boy away"

HELL YES I DO!!!

If you can do this and get a member to need to see her next scene. you have a sign up or a retained member. If you have a guy who is like Tical and can get off to pretty much anything so long as it's some meat. You're lucky to get him to click the banner to go look at the site.

[stocktrader23]

I guess Paul really has me on ignore.

[Mutt]

jesus, if there's one thing the Internet proved when it comes to people and porn is that people have an incredibly wide range of tastes and fetishes and styles of porn that turns them on. for one guy it's the rough nasty spitting slapping type of sex scene, for another guy it's the soft intimate type of scene Paul posted and X-Art produces, some like homemade amateur content, others like professionally produced porn like Andrew Blake, Brazzers, Twistys, etc

i've made 14 sales since last night on a friggin' zip set of a girl in a tiny bikini - NO NUDITY! there are even guys out there who will pay for that because that's what turns them on.

i've seen some really hot rough sex videos - nothing new under the sun, there have always been women that enjoy that role in sex, it's consensual and they dig it. and as more young girls are exposed to that kind of porn you're getting more girls who want it rough and nasty.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Mutt

jesus, if there's one thing the Internet proved when it comes to people and porn is that people have an incredibly wide range of tastes and fetishes and styles of porn that turns them on. for one guy it's the rough nasty spitting slapping type of sex scene, for another guy it's the soft intimate type of scene Paul posted and X-Art produces, some like homemade amateur content, others like professionally produced porn like Andrew Blake, Brazzers, Twistys, etc

i've made 14 sales since last night on a friggin' zip set of a girl in a tiny bikini - NO NUDITY! there are even guys out there who will pay for that because that's what turns them on.

i've seen some really hot rough sex videos - nothing new under the sun, there have always been women that enjoy that role in sex, it's consensual and they dig it. and as more young girls are exposed to that kind of porn you're getting more girls who want it rough and nasty.

True. It's not the point I'm making.

It's the real passion of the scene that's important.

What ever the incredibly wide range of tastes and fetishes are it has to be done with feelings that look real. Not models going through the motion doing what they've done in all their scenes.

All scenes from Amateur to home made, from real rough sex to soft core like the sample, need to be done with passion. Today I get the impression with so much porn, is churned out by robots.

Please don't link an artist like Andrew Blake with Brazzers and Twistys.

[Wizzo]

Originally Posted by tical

[CaptainHowdy]

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by stocktrader23

I see it often without looking for it. Anyhow, there is a gigantic niche out there for "realistic" porn. Most of the stuff we have these days started out as niche because nobody else was doing it, it converted well because nobody else was doing it, then they mass produced it.

I don't like the spitting but I also don't like the standard "[Insert obviously doing this for money porn star here] getting fucked" porn either.

Oh I know we have a niche for realistic porn, but that is what it is, a niche. If you're buying porn and you notice they split when you don't like that, you wont buy from them - you will however buy from someone else. The issue isn't that the porn video had spit, has no passion, has talking, was realistic or not, or nobody spoke English, etc... the issue is it didn't match the persons desires/niche.

PM thinks porn should be done a particular way or a few ways.... when the reality is, the mass variety in every aspect, is exactly what makes porn so kick ass. If even a few people like totally amateur, cell phone shot, home-made porn, of ugly fat fucks... then that's exactly what the Internet needs, because someone is buying it.

[momovic]

Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy

Here we go again ...

, i was reading... till i saw this. totally agree

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by momovic

, i was reading... till i saw this. totally agree

I know. Stupid subject, talking about what porn consumers like.

We should be talking about important stuff, like giving away more free porn. Now that will make everything good again.

[Roald]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

...
PM thinks porn should be done a particular way or a few ways.... when the reality is, the mass variety in every aspect, is exactly what makes porn so kick ass. If even a few people like totally amateur, cell phone shot, home-made porn, of ugly fat fucks... then that's exactly what the Internet needs, because someone is buying it.

this

[fuzebox]

This scene did not do it for me at all.

[_Richard_]

you can't be serious.

[Stef.]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

you can't be serious.

this is exactly what he want you to believe...that he is serious

goal is : 3+ thread pages winnaa
.

[MaDalton]

i dont get this discussion...

like music, fashion, cars etc. the peoples taste for porn changes as well. what's good today, sucks tomorrow.

for years we tried to improve our skills, now i send my assistant who has no clue about photography to shoot with his cell phone cam and my clients say it's great content

so who gives a shit?

[porno jew]

exactly. nothing compares to work of porn genius like this:

http://xhamster.com/movies/265560/pa...threesome.html

just don't make porn as great as this any more.

[porno jew]

ariel is one of the hottest and most popular girls in that scene. guarantee that video is making them money.

but what do they know? they should have taken advice from an insane old illiterate man living on benefits.

[Arton]

Originally Posted by porno jew

exactly. nothing compares to work of porn genius like this:

http://xhamster.com/movies/265560/pa...threesome.html

just don't make porn as great as this any more.

ehh old classic with very very very low budget

[Jel]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

Oh I know we have a niche for realistic porn, but that is what it is, a niche. If you're buying porn and you notice they split when you don't like that, you wont buy from them - you will however buy from someone else. The issue isn't that the porn video had spit, has no passion, has talking, was realistic or not, or nobody spoke English, etc... the issue is it didn't match the persons desires/niche.

PM thinks porn should be done a particular way or a few ways.... when the reality is, the mass variety in every aspect, is exactly what makes porn so kick ass. If even a few people like totally amateur, cell phone shot, home-made porn, of ugly fat fucks... then that's exactly what the Internet needs, because someone is buying it.

Exackery. If it isn't the wankham way, it's the wrong way.

[EukerVoorn]

I totally agree with you Paul. Most porn is getting very female unfriendly, maybe because they all try to be like Max Hardcore who at least was original?

I was wondering the other day... in the past we had female porn producers coming and going... are there any female porn producers doing well today or is it something that will just never work?

[Makaveli]

Degrading porn doesn't do it for me. I like a good fuck scene but the girl having fun turns me on the most.. Not really into the soft type stuff either.. In all honestly porn in general doesn't do it for me much these days. Hardly ever crank it to porn.

[Paul Markham]

exactly. nothing compares to work of porn genius like this:

http://xhamster.com/movies/265560/pa...threesome.html

just don't make porn as great as this any more.

Very true. Thanks for backing me up for once.

The votes and comments from the consumers is what tells the truth.

No big budget. No big set up, no fancy equipment. Just a guy in charge of the shoot who has a clue and a lot of profit, so we don't have to rush it.

PM thinks porn should be done a particular way or a few ways.... when the reality is, the mass variety in every aspect, is exactly what makes porn so kick ass. If even a few people like totally amateur, cell phone shot, home-made porn, of ugly fat fucks... then that's exactly what the Internet needs, because someone is buying it.

What thread are you reading. I think you posted this in the wrong one.

The consumers of "totally amateur, cell phone shot, home-made porn, of ugly fat fucks" want it real. Not bad shooting, not amateur shooting, not cell phone. They go to that section because the believe it's being done for real.

Just like the scene I started the thread with, just like the 3some I shot and the votes and comment back up.

It can be Andrew Blake to DVTimes. It can be very soft to Max Hardcore. All they ask is Keep it real. Actually Max Hardcore is a great example of what I'm saying. If you can stomach that niche it is because you want to see girls in distress while being badly abused. Does anyone here think Max or the girls are faking it?

The reality is, the buyers are sick to death of the fake, plastic and unreal product most people put out.

Glad you're still clueless and reading into a thread something that isn't there.

[garce]

Originally Posted by tical

Shut the fuck up already! 99% of people that put on a porno do so to watch people FUCK. Only creepy weirdos like you spend time analyzing the psyche of a model as she's getting nailed. WTF is wrong with you?

I grew up watching 70's porn. The people in those flicks could actually act (at least a little bit...). Money (or at least imagination) was spent on locations, set design, and costumes.

I haven't watched a porn movie or updated a porn site since last February. Its all shit. You could take the shit off of one porn site, post it on another porn site, and no-one could ever tell the fucking difference.

Porn used to be taboo and creative. Now - except for a very few exceptions - its mostly unwatchable, generic shit.

I miss Loni Sanders...

[PR_Glen]

it's almost like there are dozens of different kinds of porn that people like out there... maybe if we divide these things into separate categories, which we can call niches, we can all make some money out of it?

nah, that's fucked up... tender kindness porn for all!

[garce]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

The consumers of "totally amateur, cell phone shot, home-made porn, of ugly fat fucks" want it real. Not bad shooting, not amateur shooting, not cell phone. They go to that section because the believe it's being done for real.

This is the only thing that interests me anymore, Paul. Real - or even pretend - "homemade" amateur stuff, where all parties involved seem to at least care about each other, and are having a bit of fun.

I'd much rather watch an embarrassed, somewhat overweight wife show her tits to her husband, than see yet another plastic-titty "pornstar" take cock ass to mouth and try to pretend she cares.

For me, a 30 second amateur titty flash on Youtube is a thousand times hotter than anything produced by Manwin, ND, or (any other company that mass produces generic porn). No offense meant to either of these fine companies. Their product just doesn't do it for me...

[CarlosTheGaucho]

The interesting part is that we're obviously dealing with the first generation of consumers that are overexposed to tons of generic porn.

I had a few nude pics hidden on my PC when I was 17 and that was so taboo and so exciting I can't even remotely imagine to be that excited anymore.

Now it's like - ok these hundred clips on the front page don't do it for me, dude talking too much, too much angles with male ass, girl not doing it for me, this needs to be POV, this is a mutual masturbation instead of sex, this is too fake, nobody in their right mind fucks in such acrobatic position, can't stand the idiotic intro etc.

[Jakez]

http://www.pandafuck.com

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by garce

I grew up watching 70's porn. The people in those flicks could actually act (at least a little bit...). Money (or at least imagination) was spent on locations, set design, and costumes.

I haven't watched a porn movie or updated a porn site since last February. Its all shit. You could take the shit off of one porn site, post it on another porn site, and no-one could ever tell the fucking difference.

Porn used to be taboo and creative. Now - except for a very few exceptions - its mostly unwatchable, generic shit.

I miss Loni Sanders...

There obviously is the element of saturation and "taboo" of it being illegal. Still this should be encourage people to make scenes that are even more special and stand out. Not an excuse for turning it into tasteless pulp porn. Tasteless in it having no distinctive flavor. It's the restriction of budget that have done this.

Back to the real reason for dull porn and my old hobby horse.

When you pay $300 for an exclusive set and video in a market that that returns $3,000 for a non exclusive set only. You'll get people who can't get into the better paying market. It's like pay 5% rev share and expecting whales to send traffic.

Even if we were to shoot for this market, with our limited skills, what could we do? 5 scenes in one day would put us under a lot of pressure to get a good scene out. Lights have to be moved, models have to have a break, get changed, redo make up. Models and shooter get tired. No girl will climax 5 times in a day except with her new lover, under normal circumstances.

When the models have worked for people before who don't know what they're doing she builds the wrong idea of what's required. When clients are more interested in the quantity than the quality. We would end up shooting the same pulp porn that everyone else shoots. You can't make a silk purse from a sows ear.

As someone who worked in porn during the 70s, 80s, 90s,2000s I can tell you money is te big difference. No one knows if theirs more or less money in porn today than 10 or 20 years ago. We all have opinions based on judgement. What is indisputable with online porn is the money is spread very thinly.

There are far more people trying to feed from the same trough. The people who got the short end of the stick were the producers.

And that's why porn in earlier days was better than porn today.

It has nothing to do with niches, theme, style and the stupidest excuse cameras. It's the over production and under funding f production.

Garce, girls in the 70s didn't act better than girls today. They actually got into the job.