Does anyone still pitch website concepts to big programs?

[Diomed]

Was just wondering today,

do any of the larger programs to date accept contractors for adult site concepts?

God knows how many good ideas fall to the waste side when you either don't have time to develop them or don't have the resources available.

It would seem this should be an integral part of any company staying "plugged in" and always evolving to stay fresh in the business. Especially since the webmasters themselves are on the cutting edge of promotion and advertising, would make decent sense to keep an open ear to those who have observed what the market needs the most.

If there are any companies that do take concepts from contractors, we should form a list. Surely there are plenty of people sitting on "the project" they never got around to.

[JohnRingo]

I have an idea for a massive plan that is proven to work in ancillary markets.

[Diomed]

Originally Posted by JohnRingo

I have an idea for a massive plan that is proven to work in ancillary markets.

I'm sure you do. I know others do.

I know that the larger sized programs, even the medium sized programs, have their own creative teams and tend to rely on them for new "outside of the box" ideas. I'm just not sure why they aren't up to listening to other people.

Every program should have a person on hire to hear out individual contractor's pitches; as it doesn't eat up that many resources and could also lead to something that makes them a lot of money.

As of right now, if someone wants to be in business with a big program.. the only way to get your foot in the door is to be pushing a large volume of sales with that program.

[trevesty]

Any sound business person will be open to new ideas from any source.

That's a way of saying yes...

[SoloBabeCash]

We're always open to exciting new ideas.

[Paul Markham]

A new idea to give away more porn is always being accepted.

A new idea for a paysite, well if it can be put up very cheaply then fine. If it means a better more expensive product. For get about it. That's so 1998. LOL

[Diomed]

Some paysite ideas might work.. But its not very unique thought.

Regardless,

someone needs to bridge the gap from webmaster to program on being able to pitch qualified viable concepts for the future. As of now I haven't seen any single person or company openly and actively pursue independent ideas to exploit other than Shap.

One thing wm's know is their traffic and what entices new sales. Even some single ad concepts change the game.. Take facebook or book of sex for example. Strange how everyone sticks to the exact same old concepts, like safety in numbers or something.. Just because the next man is doing it, it must work and we must do it too.

It would just be nice to see some initiative from these larger programs to roll something out with a little something different to it.

I hope (naively) that all programs who are willing to accept concept submissions will post in this thread like solo babes :thumbnail

[cherrylula]

I did that once... never again. No I will not name anyone and it wasn't a huge program but never ever again.

[JohnRingo]

Here's one of mine. We see that group cam shows are working ad that freeloaders will always be a part of the equation. Why not use the group method for releasing porn videos? Basically you have a half hour video. The first minute is a trailer and free release. Each time someone contributes to the fund, more of the video is released until the final minute with the pop shot is released. Then the video is free for everyone. Of course a price point would need to be identified, but this would bring something fresh and fun to porn. Also, it would Do damage to the torrent sites. Of course a program would want to keep some videos for their member area. But think about quibids an how much money is made on a site like that when the group will pay double what a product is really worth.

I don't care who uses this idea. Just let me in on the beta please.

[stocktrader23]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

A new idea to give away more porn is always being accepted.

A new idea for a paysite, well if it can be put up very cheaply then fine. If it means a better more expensive product. For get about it. That's so 1998. LOL

NETFLIX

You don't raise prices in a recession and you damn sure don't keep your prices at 1999 levels when the cost of creating and running a site is a fraction of what it was back then. Well, not if you want to remain relevant.

[stocktrader23]

The Paul Markham strategy, cell phones should cost $500 and $0.40 per minute, computers should cost $50,000 minimum and common shit like televisions should run a few thousand bucks even though the cost to produce them has fallen for decades.

Great fucking plan!

[Diomed]

Regardless of Paul being weird,

bump for more companies who accept ideas from independent contractors!

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by stocktrader23

The Paul Markham strategy, cell phones should cost $500 and $0.40 per minute, computers should cost $50,000 minimum and common shit like televisions should run a few thousand bucks even though the cost to produce them has fallen for decades.

Great fucking plan!

Where did I say raise the price of the site?

As I see thinking inside your tiny box again.

For you to read again and with an explanation. Because you're not clever enough to grasp what I'm saying.

A new idea to give away more porn is always being accepted.

A new idea for a paysite, well if it can be put up very cheaply then fine. If it means a better more expensive product. For get about it. That's so 1998. LOL

The term better more expensive product refers to what's inside the members area. Not the price of the join. The solution to today's problems lay inside the product. Finding better ways to give away more porn won't work. Shoot something that keeps members longer, converts surfers into members better. Than we do today.

Now if you clever guys have run down the profit margins in porn to such a level that you can only afford to get a cheaper product. Then fine, but stop telling me you're all so clever.

[Jakez]

Pretty sure no one ever said they were clever. You on the other hand..

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Because you're not clever enough to grasp what I'm saying.

Said you ARE clever in the very same post.

Another successful Paul Markham trolling.

[The Porn Nerd]

I will add sites and projects to my network on a case-by-case basis. Many, many "producers" have approached me about this deal or that, or to start this paysite or that, but there are so many factors for success with paysites that the producer in question better have his shit together before I will work with them.

Truth is, if a paysite "concept" is a good enough concept and will actually make money then do it yourself instead of approaching programs. If you're looking for seed capitol then search for that instead of approaching a program. That's what I would do, anyway, but I'm a DIY kinda guy.

[Diomed]

Originally Posted by MisterPeabody

I will add sites and projects to my network on a case-by-case basis. Many, many "producers" have approached me about this deal or that, or to start this paysite or that, but there are so many factors for success with paysites that the producer in question better have his shit together before I will work with them.

Truth is, if a paysite "concept" is a good enough concept and will actually make money then do it yourself instead of approaching programs. If you're looking for seed capitol then search for that instead of approaching a program. That's what I would do, anyway, but I'm a DIY kinda guy.

Fair points, and I totally agree with the producer having a well polished comprehensive plan.

But I don't agree with the "why not do it yourself", as I genuinely believe there are a lot of producers/contractors with perfectly great and profitable ideas who just cannot muster the resources to see them through properly, as they should be. Be it a lack of time, money, know how, or man power. Many people have blossomed with a little extended support from a benefactor.

I'm not speaking of paysites. At least, I wouldn't classify my ideas as the general paysite outline at all, but that might be open to interpretation.

If you can share an idea with a company, a comprehensive plan or concept, by walking them through the process and they turn around and "get it" by seeing the profit potential.. well the possibilities of that partnership being a great long term success are just as good as any others.

It's the bridging the gap between webmaster/program just to even be able to "pitch" that concept properly is the real problem. Nothing exist out there at the moment (that I'm aware of) to connect the two parties.

[Diomed]

By the way,

Paul. I beg you not to make this thread into another argument about right and wrong.

I truly mean no offense, but who knows.. something of value (wishful thinking I know) might just come of this thread.

I personally would love to have a contact list of people with the resources needed to pitch new innovative concepts to. I have had to let some great things go over the years, only to have someone finally get the same idea and execute it themselves.

I specialize mainly in new ad concepts that convert. That is how I survive in this business. I am not an SEO guru, I am not a programmer, I do work extensively with designers, but mainly for me it's just about outsmarting the guy next to me by making my product sound more appealing to the traffic.

But hell, I have seen entire programs built around a single ad concept with zero respect to a quality backend. It's just about getting them in the door with these, and that's ok if the retention is there. We all saw the "facebook of sex" landing page take over for a while, just an ultra simple enticing and promising front end, a single landing page with a join behind it.

[porno jew]

i have an idea of making a site like youtube, but porn videos. programs owners hit me up to make this a reality.

[porno jew]

Originally Posted by Diomed

We all saw the "facebook of sex" landing page take over for a while, just an ultra simple enticing and promising front end, a single landing page with a join behind it.

good point, it was the same old friendfinder backend right? but it was crazy popular.

[Diomed]

Originally Posted by porno jew

good point, it was the same old friendfinder backend right? but it was crazy popular.

The back ends varied,

everyone used a spinoff for their own backend.. be it fling, aff, datinggold, loadedcash, etc.

I seem to recall one of the programs who started it first earning the most out of the deal.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by MisterPeabody

I will add sites and projects to my network on a case-by-case basis. Many, many "producers" have approached me about this deal or that, or to start this paysite or that, but there are so many factors for success with paysites that the producer in question better have his shit together before I will work with them.

Truth is, if a paysite "concept" is a good enough concept and will actually make money then do it yourself instead of approaching programs. If you're looking for seed capitol then search for that instead of approaching a program. That's what I would do, anyway, but I'm a DIY kinda guy.

You have some sites that it seems are from the DVD world. They're great. The question is would they of been able to afford to produce the product only on a paysite revenue of the norm?

Originally Posted by Diomed

By the way,

Paul. I beg you not to make this thread into another argument about right and wrong.

I truly mean no offense, but who knows.. something of value (wishful thinking I know) might just come of this thread.

I personally would love to have a contact list of people with the resources needed to pitch new innovative concepts to. I have had to let some great things go over the years, only to have someone finally get the same idea and execute it themselves.

I specialize mainly in new ad concepts that convert. That is how I survive in this business. I am not an SEO guru, I am not a programmer, I do work extensively with designers, but mainly for me it's just about outsmarting the guy next to me by making my product sound more appealing to the traffic.

But hell, I have seen entire programs built around a single ad concept with zero respect to a quality backend. It's just about getting them in the door with these, and that's ok if the retention is there. We all saw the "facebook of sex" landing page take over for a while, just an ultra simple enticing and promising front end, a single landing page with a join behind it.

The problem for most is coming up with a new idea that's cheap to produce. Unlike ST I'm not proposing a hike in price, I'm proposing a hike in product budgets.

Someone is asking for content from tanning salons. Seems easy enough to do legally. Set up a tanning salon in a studio, get cameras in voyeur positions. Get actors to go into the set up and have sex with themselves or with others, film it and stream it recorded and live at times it "happens".

Cost would be not a lot. Set up of a location Tanning Beds costs $1,000 to $2,500. Building the studio set could be anything from $1,000 to $3,000, if you have the studio.

So top end for the initial set costs of $2,000 for a real cheap set to $6,000 for something good. Spread over 100 scenes $20 to $60 per scene.

Models are "how long is a piece of string" question. Here in CZ $500 a day for most action if you stay away for porn stars. If you mix solo and couples and shoot 3 scenes a day. Let's say 50 scenes at $166.66 and 50 at $333.33

So I did some sums and the production budget for 100 scenes 50/50 couples and solo is $25,000 cost for the product. Add to that the shooter, camera equipment and ancillary costs it could double. $50,000 for a site with 100 scenes. Or treble $75,000, depending who they are and what they have at their disposal.

Try pitching that to 99% of paysites owners and they will shy away today. Pitch it to Fabian and he might be interested. Pitch it 5 years ago and they would tell you they can make more buying in or shooting cheaper content like everyone else has and throwing traffic at it. I know I tried it and got the same answers. We were approached by lots of people who had ideas of having a site like Perfect Gonzo, yet no budget to acquire the right content.

I see what you're saying about the "FB" idea. What's the long term view of it? Once everyone copies you, you're back to square one with an old idea everyone can copy. And have to keep coming up with a new one. Try coming up with something that has a great unique back-end and it's life might be longer.

It's no longer about getting them through the door, it's about keeping them in the room. Getting them through the door with a fancy design or words is the first step, if they only stay 1-2 months that's very expensive. $45 on average and after costs what's left for the back end doesn't get you much most of the time.

[porno jew]

fuck off you stupid old clown. do you have to ruin every thread with your fucking bullshit. you are not wanted here.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by porno jew

fuck off you stupid old clown. do you have to ruin every thread with your fucking bullshit. you are not wanted here.

Nice to see you're still a moron.

Come up with a feasible argument and not abuse if you want me to take you seriously.



We don't need new ideas to advertise or promote paysites. Over the last 15 years we've been doing this and it has arrived us where we are today. The key to making money in online porn is no longer throwing out clever wrappings around the same products. The customers are rejecting these approaches.

It's to come up with better ideas and products. Convert more of the traffic that you have, keep it longer and when a member leaves, he returns in 3, 6 9 months to get the updates.

If you want a new idea to capture more traffic, here's one. FB for porn. Get behind it, support it and promote it. Talk to porn surfers without the restrictions of FB.

You only have to look at the enormous following pornstars have on FB to realise this is something that could work. We need one at the most two sites like this, without the restrictions of FB or a forum with an owner who sits like a lord over who you can and can't promote.

Whether affiliates can fit into this model without being too spammy is a big question. If it gets too spammy it's self defeating. Build interest in what we do, don't give away tons of free porn. Treat surfers like adults and kings. They will come and the ones who buy porn will keep coming and reading.

As for another paysite idea, inspired by the post "Is phone sex dead?".

Film a girl getting a phone call from a lover, male or female, and have the lover tell her what to do. Then film it as they chat back and forth and the lover pushes the girl, or guy for gay, further into the porn scene. Can work with a solo, 2 girl or BG. Record the lover and subject.

Could even be a "member" phoning in.

Think on it and expand on it.

[=^..^=]

its difficult now. Pre 2003/4 porn paved the way for mainstream but now its reversed and you have to convince a billion idiots to jump OFF facebook and yourtube ... and they only want to go with what feels familiar because they are sheeple.

[The Porn Nerd]

Another issue with just connecting with a company and "pitching" them a money-making idea is this: They go "That's interesting, but not really something we can do right now..." then wait for you to walk out of their office and then they....DO IT! Six months later you go back to them, they've stolen your concept, etc etc. Get lawyers involved, etc etc. Happens all the time.

Being a iddle man, or even a "partner", will only get you so far unless you have something to bring to the table otherwise you'll get screwed. The bigger the company you're pitching concepts to the bigger the ass-raping.

This is why I'm a DIY kinda guy myself. LOL But hey, maybe I'm just being cycnical here. Best of luck with whatever your idea is and I hope it's profitable for you!!

[Jel]

Jesus fucking Christ markham you whore's cunt, do you have to fuck up EVERY decent thread with the same bitter rant?

What in the fucking world do your posts in this thread have to do with the OP? Fuck all, that's what. Your cuntishness outweighs your comedy value and as funny as you are, it's ignore time for you. Increased thread views is one thing, but why a board of this size sees fit to have a fucking wankstain like yourself allowed to fuck up thread after thread in the name of views & advertising leverage is beyond me. Bye bye cunt, and have a truly miserable rest of your life

[porno jew]

fuck off you clueless old cunt. you deserve as much as a response as a retard standing in the middle of the mall piss dribbling down his legs wanting to talk about his favorite ice cream.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Nice to see you're still a moron.

Come up with a feasible argument and not abuse if you want me to take you seriously.



We don't need new ideas to advertise or promote paysites. Over the last 15 years we've been doing this and it has arrived us where we are today. The key to making money in online porn is no longer throwing out clever wrappings around the same products. The customers are rejecting these approaches.

It's to come up with better ideas and products. Convert more of the traffic that you have, keep it longer and when a member leaves, he returns in 3, 6 9 months to get the updates.

If you want a new idea to capture more traffic, here's one. FB for porn. Get behind it, support it and promote it. Talk to porn surfers without the restrictions of FB.

You only have to look at the enormous following pornstars have on FB to realise this is something that could work. We need one at the most two sites like this, without the restrictions of FB or a forum with an owner who sits like a lord over who you can and can't promote.

Whether affiliates can fit into this model without being too spammy is a big question. If it gets too spammy it's self defeating. Build interest in what we do, don't give away tons of free porn. Treat surfers like adults and kings. They will come and the ones who buy porn will keep coming and reading.

As for another paysite idea, inspired by the post "Is phone sex dead?".

Film a girl getting a phone call from a lover, male or female, and have the lover tell her what to do. Then film it as they chat back and forth and the lover pushes the girl, or guy for gay, further into the porn scene. Can work with a solo, 2 girl or BG. Record the lover and subject.

Could even be a "member" phoning in.

Think on it and expand on it.

[Diomed]

What do you fucking know..

I leave for a couple days and come back.. and Paul has jizzed all over this thread.

Paul,

for fuck sakes.. I have nothing against you, but you MUST start factoring in the bullshit you bring with you into these threads.. and if you think it might be a good thread with some value, seriously consider staying out of it. You KNOW that everyone hates your posts. I am really starting to see why people dislike you.

ANYWAYS.

There were some good points made.. MisterPeabody, I agree.. it's very tough to "TRUST" that they wont just wait a bit and steal your idea and cut you out.. You as the "middle man" have a lot to lose unless you have some leverage to bring to the game.

With that said, there are good and decent companies yet.. ones that WILL keep their word and cut you in for your percentage. It would be wise, if you can afford one, to have a lawyer be made aware of what your doing to insure you.

But I do think there are companies out there, small medium and large, who can actively profit from third party ideas.

Is there anyway we can make a list of contacts who accept pitches from independent contractors?

I for one would love to have some solid creative contacts willing to think outside the box and hear out other people's ideas and concepts.

I mean, if they have an inhouse creative team that they pay, why not accept submissions from other people?

[Diomed]

Bump for more answers,

perhaps I should compile a list by contacting every big name program myself to see?

[Diomed]

For the record Paul,

I wasn't referring to paysites.

I think there are a lot more new opportunities in the dating/social side of things.

[Fenris Wolf]

Originally Posted by MisterPeabody

This is why I'm a DIY kinda guy myself. LOL But hey, maybe I'm just being cycnical here. Best of luck with whatever your idea is and I hope it's profitable for you!!

I can completely understand your DIY attitude and can also respect how far you have gotten understanding your past but there are advantages to attaching your project to a big program that goes beyond a capital infusion.

[JohnRingo]

Listen. I have a huge idea with very low cost. Similar products have proven track records but right nor there is nothing like this out there. Icq me if interested in discussing.

[epitome]

The owners of programs (even big ones) aren't hiding. Hell, even Fabian posts here.

If you have an idea, make a cold call and sell it. Its what I did and I am now partnered with a big program.

[stocktrader23]

I tried to do the MyFreeCams.com model 6 years ago but the costs involved were ridiculous back then. I actually rented some flash based video chatrooms at the time for $200 per month EACH and started piecing it together until they broke something and couldn't fix it.

Called it crowd sourced strip shows or crowd funded cams.

One of dozens over the years. Oh well.

[Adraco]

Isn't Pimproll accepting partnerships, I thought I heard something about it but I might be absolutely wrong on this ?! Could be worth the time asking them though.

[Captain Kawaii]

Its hard to find companies to partner with because they want to pay nothing or very little to the producer or to compensate the producer or the models at a reasonable rate.

[Captain Kawaii]

Originally Posted by MisterPeabody

Another issue with just connecting with a company and "pitching" them a money-making idea is this: They go "That's interesting, but not really something we can do right now..." then wait for you to walk out of their office and then they....DO IT! Six months later you go back to them, they've stolen your concept, etc etc. Get lawyers involved, etc etc. Happens all the time.

Being a iddle man, or even a "partner", will only get you so far unless you have something to bring to the table otherwise you'll get screwed. The bigger the company you're pitching concepts to the bigger the ass-raping.

This is why I'm a DIY kinda guy myself. LOL But hey, maybe I'm just being cycnical here. Best of luck with whatever your idea is and I hope it's profitable for you!!

QFT...
Its the Hollywood Showrunner theft method spilled into porn...One is much better off going solo.

[Diomed]

Originally Posted by Adraco

Isn't Pimproll accepting partnerships, I thought I heard something about it but I might be absolutely wrong on this ?! Could be worth the time asking them though.

Any truth to this?

[Supz]

Originally Posted by porno jew

i have an idea of making a site like youtube, but porn videos. programs owners hit me up to make this a reality.

this is next generation stuff right here.

[cam_girls]

Nah it just doesn't happen!

Intellectual property being worth $$$ days are long gone.

No company earning 7 figures will pay anyone for an idea.

It happens less often than winning lotto 3 weeks running. Someone might listen to your idea but only for fun.

Do it yourself, get a business loan, or register the .COM like COFFEECUPHEATER.com

[jimmycooper]

Originally Posted by Adraco

Isn't Pimproll accepting partnerships, I thought I heard something about it but I might be absolutely wrong on this ?! Could be worth the time asking them though.

Originally Posted by Diomed

Any truth to this?

I doubt it.

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1043...ht=ztod&page=2

Originally Posted by PR_Glen
what does creativity have to do with making money? We are a business we aren't artists...

If apple halted production on ipods to make coloured paper mache hats how fast would their stock fall?

[Diomed]

So far the feedback in this thread has not been very good to say the least.

I was really hoping that at least a few companies would come out and say that they openly accept independent contractor partnerships. You can be focused on money and not really be focused on creativity and still make headway with new partners and new profit with minimum investment of time and resources.

All of the new ideas and business models have to start somewhere. Trends must be set before they are copied. Someone is benefiting by leading the pack in timely innovation, even if its just a few months exclusivity to get a strangle hold on a concept. Even if its just a tweak or hybrid of a pre-existing idea, notion, ad, site, service, etc.

You can approach new concepts in two ways, a quick money racket with a killer front end enticing sales pitch and a hollow members area, or by actually customizing a decent backend for long term retention. I find both agreeable depending on resources and objective.

I as a person who makes my margin on creating better concepts for the same product that the next guy is selling, find it very disappointing that fewer companies are willing to hear out concepts that I have to pass on because a lack of resources and time. Because from my experience with similar less customized projects, they are very profitable and consistently convert.

[Diomed]

Well if we can't get a list of programs that accept submissions,

can we at least get a list of names of people with the power to make it happen?

I wonder if the first guy to make the 'facebook of sex' concept tried to cold pitch it to any number of companies, what their reaction would have been. I personally think they could have instantly seen the money to be made.

I have a similar but more extensive concept than that can exist from resources these dating companies have already invested in and have. But it serves a different purpose than dating, or should I say fills a different gap in the traffic. It could even exist as just an extremely high converting front end, but would be better with a customized backend going for the long money instead of short. It would also prevent anyone from copying it if you made it its own thing instead of an entry for something else.

[Diomed]

Perhaps I am naive,

but I still believe in good people and good business. I realize the people who can see these partnerships through are likely to not want to post in this thread because they will get flooded with responses.

If anyone who is still hungry and seeking new concepts to profit from reads this thread and has interest in hearing out a concept pitch that will convert and retain its members depending on how custom you are willing to make the backend, shoot me an email.

This concept does not require a lot of capital. Especially if you are already running a dating or webcam program. It mainly requires a few pre-existing resources and some databases.

If you know anyone who might be interested, shoot me an email. It is not a paysite concept. Rather I should say, it does not require porn video content.