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Originally Posted by MisterPeabody
I will add sites and projects to my network on a case-by-case basis. Many, many "producers" have approached me about this deal or that, or to start this paysite or that, but there are so many factors for success with paysites that the producer in question better have his shit together before I will work with them.
Truth is, if a paysite "concept" is a good enough concept and will actually make money then do it yourself instead of approaching programs. If you're looking for seed capitol then search for that instead of approaching a program. That's what I would do, anyway, but I'm a DIY kinda guy.  |
You have some sites that it seems are from the DVD world. They're great. The question is would they of been able to afford to produce the product only on a paysite revenue of the norm?
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Originally Posted by Diomed
By the way,
Paul. I beg you not to make this thread into another argument about right and wrong.
I truly mean no offense, but who knows.. something of value (wishful thinking I know) might just come of this thread.
I personally would love to have a contact list of people with the resources needed to pitch new innovative concepts to. I have had to let some great things go over the years, only to have someone finally get the same idea and execute it themselves.
I specialize mainly in new ad concepts that convert. That is how I survive in this business. I am not an SEO guru, I am not a programmer, I do work extensively with designers, but mainly for me it's just about outsmarting the guy next to me by making my product sound more appealing to the traffic.
But hell, I have seen entire programs built around a single ad concept with zero respect to a quality backend. It's just about getting them in the door with these, and that's ok if the retention is there. We all saw the "facebook of sex" landing page take over for a while, just an ultra simple enticing and promising front end, a single landing page with a join behind it.
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The problem for most is coming up with a new idea that's cheap to produce. Unlike ST I'm not proposing a hike in price, I'm proposing a hike in product budgets.
Someone is asking for content from tanning salons. Seems easy enough to do legally. Set up a tanning salon in a studio, get cameras in voyeur positions. Get actors to go into the set up and have sex with themselves or with others, film it and stream it recorded and live at times it "happens".
Cost would be not a lot. Set up of a location
Tanning Beds costs $1,000 to $2,500. Building the studio set could be anything from $1,000 to $3,000, if you have the studio.
So top end for the initial set costs of $2,000 for a real cheap set to $6,000 for something good. Spread over 100 scenes $20 to $60 per scene.
Models are "how long is a piece of string" question. Here in CZ $500 a day for most action if you stay away for porn stars. If you mix solo and couples and shoot 3 scenes a day. Let's say 50 scenes at $166.66 and 50 at $333.33
So I did some sums and the production budget for 100 scenes 50/50 couples and solo is $25,000 cost for the product. Add to that the shooter, camera equipment and ancillary costs it could double. $50,000 for a site with 100 scenes. Or treble $75,000, depending who they are and what they have at their disposal.
Try pitching that to 99% of paysites owners and they will shy away today. Pitch it to Fabian and he might be interested. Pitch it 5 years ago and they would tell you they can make more buying in or shooting cheaper content like everyone else has and throwing traffic at it. I know I tried it and got the same answers. We were approached by lots of people who had ideas of having a site like Perfect Gonzo, yet no budget to acquire the right content.
I see what you're saying about the "FB" idea. What's the long term view of it? Once everyone copies you, you're back to square one with an old idea everyone can copy. And have to keep coming up with a new one. Try coming up with something that has a great unique back-end and it's life might be longer.
It's no longer about getting them through the door, it's about keeping them in the room. Getting them through the door with a fancy design or words is the first step, if they only stay 1-2 months that's very expensive. $45 on average and after costs what's left for the back end doesn't get you much most of the time.