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jimmycooper · 10-30-2011, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by epitome

Jimmy, go to any Chase bank on Monday. As you know, they're literally on every corner of manhattan. If they check is good they'll give you cash, if it's not, they won't.

I cashed it last night at a Pay-O-Matic on 8th Ave. and 14th!! lol. So ghetto.
Great to know that it looks like things are being sorted out as I'm preparing for a 60+ page promotion and I think ZTOD content is or will be on at least 30 or so of those pages. Not to sound selfish or anything, as it would suck for a lot of people, but if anything were to happen to them, it would be at the worst time possible for me personally.

Tempest · 10-30-2011, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Aric

What would you do?

Just turning a paysite into a tube shows that the people running it have no creativity and just following the pack... It's short term thinking.. Maybe turning the paysite into a "destination" where there's a reason to stay on it, click around, "explore" would be a better route... You can still supply a bunch of content in "tube" format but give them a different type of experience.. If you just turn your paysite into a tube, there's no reason to join at all since you're now directly competing with every other tube out there and it's free content. The site blends in as opposed to standing out... Think freeones as opposed to pornhub/youporn etc.

GonZo · 10-30-2011, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Tempest

Just turning a paysite into a tube shows that the people running it have no creativity and just following the pack... It's short term thinking.. Maybe turning the paysite into a "destination" where there's a reason to stay on it, click around, "explore" would be a better route... You can still supply a bunch of content in "tube" format but give them a different type of experience.. If you just turn your paysite into a tube, there's no reason to join at all since you're now directly competing with every other tube out there and it's free content. The site blends in as opposed to standing out... Think freeones as opposed to pornhub/youporn etc.

I thought that marketing genius Jstyles was working for them?
No?

Relentless · 10-30-2011, 05:30 PM

I've promoted ZTOD for quite a while. Every check has been paid on time and cashed easily without incident. People who run to GFY with bogus 'alarms' make it harder for good companies to do business and harder for bad companies to be outed. If I were ZTOD I'd send you that 175 as your last check and cancel your affiliate account. If it were 175K I'd understand the panic, but for 175, if they have been emailing you to resolve it, why try to put a scare in other affiliates when there are so many other much bigger fish to fry elsewhere...

jimmycooper · 10-30-2011, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Tempest

Just turning a paysite into a tube shows that the people running it have no creativity and just following the pack... It's short term thinking.. Maybe turning the paysite into a "destination" where there's a reason to stay on it, click around, "explore" would be a better route... You can still supply a bunch of content in "tube" format but give them a different type of experience.. If you just turn your paysite into a tube, there's no reason to join at all since you're now directly competing with every other tube out there and it's free content. The site blends in as opposed to standing out... Think freeones as opposed to pornhub/youporn etc.

When you consider that in fashion, trends usually start in obsure or previously unrelated places, the trends are adapted by top designers who sell them at boutiques in NYC/Paris/Milan, then the high end department stores like Bergdorf, then middle class dep stores like Macy's, and then finally at Wal Mart as a poor man's version of the original trend as new trends are becoming all the rage, does it really surprise you that Pimproll turned a paysite into a tube in October 2011?

jimmycooper · 10-30-2011, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Relentless

I've promoted ZTOD for quite a while. Every check has been paid on time and cashed easily without incident. People who run to GFY with bogus 'alarms' make it harder for good companies to do business and harder for bad companies to be outed. If I were ZTOD I'd send you that 175 as your last check and cancel your affiliate account. If it were 175K I'd understand the panic, but for 175, if they have been emailing you to resolve it, why try to put a scare in other affiliates when there are so many other much bigger fish to fry elsewhere...

Yeah, so true about ZTOD. I think I may have even once had a check come early!

With that being said, there does exist a culture of unaccountability amongst sponsors, so I think it's perfectly acceptable to take things public if you are ignored while making a legitimate attempt at resolving the problem so long as you know that there's a chance you might be wrong in which case you will have to publicly admit your error and apologize. Two things which require adult-like traits,

In the same sense, money is money whether it be $1 or $1 million and with so many programs going under or going through changes, it's sensible for affiliates to diversify their efforts, so unless you're familiar with someone entire site portfolio and the traffic that it generates as a whole, it's best to just assume you know nothing and proceed as such.

porno jew · 10-30-2011, 06:34 PM

BIGTYMER · 10-30-2011, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by porno jew

Lichen · 10-30-2011, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Relentless

I've promoted ZTOD for quite a while. Every check has been paid on time and cashed easily without incident. People who run to GFY with bogus 'alarms' make it harder for good companies to do business and harder for bad companies to be outed. If I were ZTOD I'd send you that 175 as your last check and cancel your affiliate account. If it were 175K I'd understand the panic, but for 175, if they have been emailing you to resolve it, why try to put a scare in other affiliates when there are so many other much bigger fish to fry elsewhere...

Are you fucking kidding me? Who said it was bogus? The check bounced, i got no restitution yet, so gfy fool...

Lichen · 10-30-2011, 09:24 PM

I've got response from them tonight so waiting for the resolution...

CamTraffic · 10-31-2011, 04:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Relentless

I've promoted ZTOD for quite a while. Every check has been paid on time and cashed easily without incident. People who run to GFY with bogus 'alarms' make it harder for good companies to do business and harder for bad companies to be outed. If I were ZTOD I'd send you that 175 as your last check and cancel your affiliate account. If it were 175K I'd understand the panic, but for 175, if they have been emailing you to resolve it, why try to put a scare in other affiliates when there are so many other much bigger fish to fry elsewhere...

ruff · 10-31-2011, 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by simmeon

I signed up to Ztod last week, dont think Ill bother pushing them now. Unless they get it sorted.

These guys are major sponsors. I don't believe they are having any problems. My check cleared the other day as do all checks from them and I get a lot of them.

PR_Glen · 10-31-2011, 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Tempest

Just turning a paysite into a tube shows that the people running it have no creativity and just following the pack... It's short term thinking.. Maybe turning the paysite into a "destination" where there's a reason to stay on it, click around, "explore" would be a better route... You can still supply a bunch of content in "tube" format but give them a different type of experience.. If you just turn your paysite into a tube, there's no reason to join at all since you're now directly competing with every other tube out there and it's free content. The site blends in as opposed to standing out... Think freeones as opposed to pornhub/youporn etc.

what does creativity have to do with making money? We are a business we aren't artists...

If apple halted production on ipods to make coloured paper mache hats how fast would their stock fall?

Lichen · 10-31-2011, 07:46 AM

Clement still no answer...???

porno jew · 10-31-2011, 07:50 AM

bro's before checks ......

edgeprod · 10-31-2011, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by PR_Glen

what does creativity have to do with making money? We are a business we aren't artists...

If apple halted production on ipods to make coloured paper mache hats how fast would their stock fall?

Sadly, the stock would probably rise, because fanboys would have to own the $400 paper mache hats.

DlxClem · 10-31-2011, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by NHunter

Are you fucking kidding me? Who said it was bogus? The check bounced, i got no restitution yet, so gfy fool...

Just an update since NHunter decided to make it public.

His check got returned because it wasn't endorsed, so it was 100% his fault. He also decided to post after he got an email from us asking for more information, and I guess you didnt like that.

On top of that now, he's asking us now to pay for the bounce fee - usually we would totally pay it but I really wonder why we should. We also tried to send you 8 wires to 3 different names , 2 different countries and 2 different banks the past few months and they all bounced.

Just to confirm, we have funds in our accounts, we're not going anywhere and we take care of all our affiliates and we always make sure you get paid ;)

Relentless · 10-31-2011, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by DlxClem

Just an update since NHunter decided to make it public. His check got returned because it wasn't endorsed, so it was 100% his fault. He also decided to post after he got an email from us asking for more information, and I guess you didnt like that. On top of that now, he's asking us now to pay for the bounce fee - usually we would totally pay it but I really wonder why we should. We also tried to send you 8 wires to 3 different names , 2 different countries and 2 different banks the past few months and they all bounced. Just to confirm, we have funds in our accounts, we're not going anywhere and we take care of all our affiliates and we always make sure you get paid ;)

porno jew · 10-31-2011, 10:18 AM

yeah we get it. he hired you at some point.

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Originally Posted by Relentless

Relentless · 10-31-2011, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by porno jew

yeah we get it. he hired you at some point.

Thankfully I have been hired by plenty of companies in the adult market. I operate review sites and other affiliate sites that have sent sales to literally 100s of paysites sponsors. I also own my own paysite network and have seen first hand what this business is like from the 'other side' of the equation.

There are some really great companies to work with, and some really terrible ones out there as well. I hate seeing the bad ones praised and I hate seeing the good ones unnecessarily hassled. Feel free to check all my posts. You won't find a single one where I 'stood up' for a bad company or 'went after' a good company.

Going after a good company is just as bad as standing up for a bad one because it muddies the waters and makes it harder for webmasters to identify who is worth working with and who is not. Failing to endorse a check and then trashing a company on GFY with false claims is not something sponsors OR other webmasters ought to tolerate.

Lichen · 10-31-2011, 11:15 AM

I never said u guys didnt pay or anything but i ve been receiving checks for 10 years already and never signed a single one, so how is it my fault the check got bounced...???
Did u tell me before sending it your bank has this policy???

Choopa Phil · 10-31-2011, 11:20 AM

youre supposed to endorse all checks i thought...

signupdamnit · 10-31-2011, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by NHunter

I never said u guys didnt pay or anything but i ve been receiving checks for 10 years already and never signed a single one, so how is it my fault the check got bounced...???
Did u tell me before sending it your bank has this policy???

Just to make sure we're all on the same page do you mean endorsed as in you the affiliate didn't sign the check or as in the sponsor didn't sign the face of the check?

porno jew · 10-31-2011, 11:31 AM

sign your checks moron.

Lichen · 10-31-2011, 11:32 AM

I didnt sign as affiliate but im in Canada and i dont sign any other checks and the only ztod check got bounced, thats why was concerned...

Lichen · 10-31-2011, 11:32 AM

I guess i will sign all the checks now, i hope that was the only reason though...

epitome · 10-31-2011, 11:37 AM

There have been a handful of times where I haven't endorsed a check. The bank endorsed it for me. Tellers even have a special stamp for that.

Not saying it wasn't returned because of that, its just the first i've ever heard of it.

signupdamnit · 10-31-2011, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by NHunter

I didnt sign as affiliate but im in Canada and i dont sign any other checks and the only ztod check got bounced, thats why was concerned...

I guess it could be a cultural difference so maybe you didn't know. But in my opinion (and I'm no ass kisser) this is your fault and you should consider apologizing for posting this. This isn't their fault this time.

Lichen · 10-31-2011, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by epitome

There have been a handful of times where I haven't endorsed a check. The bank endorsed it for me. Tellers even have a special stamp for that.

Not saying it wasn't returned because of that, its just the first i've ever heard of it.

My point exactly...

Lichen · 10-31-2011, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by signupdamnit

I guess it could be a cultural difference so maybe you didn't know. But in my opinion (and I'm no ass kisser) this is your fault and you should consider apologizing for posting this. This isn't their fault this time.

You dont know what u talking about so please...

jimmycooper · 10-31-2011, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by PR_Glen

what does creativity have to do with making money? We are a business we aren't artists...

If apple halted production on ipods to make coloured paper mache hats how fast would their stock fall?

Wow. I can honestly say that even after having been sucked into a few Paul Markham threads and various other ridiculous threads, that this may have been the single dumbest thing I have ever read on GFY. Unbelievable. I don't know who you are and I don't promote Pimproll, but for the sake of Pimproll affiliates and Pimproll employees, I really hope you are no more than an intern or low level employee because your post suggests that you have absolutely no understanding of business whatsoever. My gods. I really am shocked. Amazing. If you've at least somehow managed to earn a high school diploma, I highly, highly suggest that you take a couple business classes at the local community college. Even if you quit after only one or two classes, I promise that you'll be better off than you are now. Way better off. Presuming, of course, that you do have the ability to learn.

bobby666 · 10-31-2011, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DlxClem

Just to confirm, we have funds in our accounts, we're not going anywhere and we take care of all our affiliates and we always make sure you get paid ;)

things i can only agree for the last 10 years! i've made my first steps into adult by building a deluxepass site and never had ANY issue with the payments of deluxepass and videosz- all in time over the years and i always got great support by you, Clemens
So its time to say Thank YOU

Relentless · 10-31-2011, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

Interesting, have you ever personally "stood up" and went after a bad company? Meaning, your opinion would be much more valid if you did, instead looking like a kiss ass to try to cover for a company with a possible accounting error.

This thread isn't about me. However to answer your question, it depends what you consider 'stood up' to mean. My review sites were among the first to warn viewers of cross sales on join pages, WebsiteSecure.org only certifies sites with ethical terms and billing practices (and has rejected several sites in the past from mainstream and adult), WebmasterScore.com provides simple reviews of sponsor programs that include information provided directly by the affiliate programs AND allows webmasters to post comments on each review. Those are a few examples.

I have found it to be not really worth my time to try and 'police the internet' so I put very little time into dealing with bad companies. I simply blacklist them and move on. However, I have put a large amount of time and effort into highlighting good companies and providing consumers or webmasters with tools helpful for determining whether a site is worth signing up or not. I have also written dozens of articles for XBIZ, FubarTimes, AVN, Klixxx (back in the day) etc including several that explored the negative aspects of the .XXX TLD. Frankly, I am comfortable with my own stance on these issues and I'm comfortable saying ZTOD has been one of the 'good sponsors' I have worked with for quite a while.

You have a guy who failed to endorse the back of his payout check, starting a thread titled 'ZTOD Check Bounced' and trying to claim it is somehow the sponsor's fault. I see that as just as big a problem with this industry as a sponsor who unduly messes with an affiliate. It works both ways.

signupdamnit · 10-31-2011, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by NHunter

You dont know what u talking about so please...

American banks generally expect the check to be endorsed or to have a stamp such as "For deposit only". It's possible your bank might have taken care of it for you before or else Ztod's bank let it go previous times. But clearly checks can be returned for lack of endorsement when dealing with U.S. Banks.

http://www.ehow.com/info_8016675_cau...ed-checks.html

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Missing Endorsement

You can have a check returned to you because the depositor forgot to endorse it prior to sending it to his bank for deposit. The endorsement goes on the back of a check and is necessary in order to complete the transaction. A missing endorsement will delay the transaction as the check will be mailed back to the original account holder -- you. Your job will be to resend the check to the depositor with a request for him to endorse the check.

There are similar gray areas with lack of a signature from the sponsor. Sometimes it can slip through and the sponsor's bank will honor it for whatever reason but officially they can choose not to honor it if they wish.

It's not Ztod's fault in this case if you or your bank forgot to endorse the check and that was the reason for it being dishonored. That's not to say they still don't have an obligation to pay out on the check ultimately.

anexsia · 10-31-2011, 02:27 PM

Okay I just read through 3 pages of this thread and..........How fucking hard is it to endorse a check? Make 2 scribble lines and you're good to go! Sheesh.

Lichen · 10-31-2011, 02:41 PM

Case closed, Ztod is obviously a stand-up company, not sure why my bank rejected the check, they wont say the reason, I'll sign a new check they sent me and update this thread if anybody interested, peace.

Eyeball · 10-31-2011, 02:56 PM

You've just made yourself look a cunt and gained nothing.

Lichen · 10-31-2011, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Eyeball

You've just made yourself look a cunt and gained nothing.

Go smoke more crack idiot.

Tempest · 10-31-2011, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by PR_Glen

what does creativity have to do with making money? We are a business we aren't artists...

If apple halted production on ipods to make coloured paper mache hats how fast would their stock fall?

Creativity was what propelled Apple from a company that was failing to what it is now. Creativity and innovation is what makes a company stand out, grow and have more potential than one that just follows the pack.

You guys have the resources to do fantastic things.. Turning porn.com into a tube says that you have no idea what to do with everything you have. It says you have no plan, no idea where you're going, no innovative ideas etc.

Jel · 10-31-2011, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by anexsia

Okay I just read through 3 pages of this thread

Tell me, future boy, who is the President of the United States in 1985?

Or words to that effect ;)

And it case the humour doesn't come through, I'm just playin'

jimmycooper · 10-31-2011, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Tempest

Creativity was what propelled Apple from a company that was failing to what it is now. Creativity and innovation is what makes a company stand out, grow and have more potential than one that just follows the pack.

You guys have the resources to do fantastic things.. Turning porn.com into a tube says that you have no idea what to do with everything you have. It says you have no plan, no idea where you're going, no innovative ideas etc.

Not only that, but creativity or lack thereof has a direct effect on the entire way in which a company is set up, how a company is run, and how a company allocates it's resources. No creativity = paying too much tax. No creativity = thinking you are creative when you launch midget porn site #17. No creativity = getting raped by vendors. No creativity = perpetually several steps behind the competition. No creativity = Pimproll being acquired by another company 18-24 months from now for less than the appraised value of porn.com because the buyer will take on a huge mess wrought on by a lack of creativity over the years. I mean, why buy now when you can have them and their lack creativity essentially work for you for the next year and a half by driving down the price?

Relentless · 10-31-2011, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

'Random Comments that demonstrate you did not read my reply...'

Your decision to ignore what I wrote in reply while you continue to disagree, even though my reply directly answered your comments, has been duly noted.

ruff · 10-31-2011, 06:11 PM

Fucked thread. Ztod is owed an apology. Anyone anywhere tried to walk into any bank and cash a check without endorsing it? Of course not. Maybe you can deposit it and get away with it a few times and then the bank fucks you. Out the fucking bank not Ztod.

jimmycooper · 10-31-2011, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ruff

Fucked thread. Ztod is owed an apology. Anyone anywhere tried to walk into any bank and cash a check without endorsing it? Of course not. Maybe you can deposit it and get away with it a few times and then the bank fucks you. Out the fucking bank not Ztod.

I would also like an apology from the OP as he is now the cunt that ruined my Saturday late afternoon/early evening,

Theo · 10-31-2011, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by NHunter

Case closed, Ztod is obviously a stand-up company, not sure why my bank rejected the check, they wont say the reason, I'll sign a new check they sent me and update this thread if anybody interested, peace.

yes it is. ZTOD affiliates shouldn't worry.

10-30-2011, 05:30 PM	#54
Relentless www.EngineFood.com Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 5,697	I've promoted ZTOD for quite a while. Every check has been paid on time and cashed easily without incident. People who run to GFY with bogus 'alarms' make it harder for good companies to do business and harder for bad companies to be outed. If I were ZTOD I'd send you that 175 as your last check and cancel your affiliate account. If it were 175K I'd understand the panic, but for 175, if they have been emailing you to resolve it, why try to put a scare in other affiliates when there are so many other much bigger fish to fry elsewhere... __________________ Website Secure \| Engine Food ICQ# 266-942-896

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10-31-2011, 02:56 PM	#87
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10-31-2011, 06:11 PM	#93
ruff I have a plan B Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Seattle - Miami - St Kitts Posts: 5,501	Fucked thread. Ztod is owed an apology. Anyone anywhere tried to walk into any bank and cash a check without endorsing it? Of course not. Maybe you can deposit it and get away with it a few times and then the bank fucks you. Out the fucking bank not Ztod. __________________ CryptoFeeds

10-30-2011, 06:34 PM	#57
porno jew Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 10,166

10-30-2011, 09:24 PM	#60
Lichen Tube Master Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 1,640	I've got response from them tonight so waiting for the resolution...

10-31-2011, 07:46 AM	#64
Lichen Tube Master Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 1,640	Clement still no answer...???

10-31-2011, 07:50 AM	#65
porno jew Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 10,166	bro's before checks ......

10-31-2011, 11:15 AM	#71
Lichen Tube Master Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 1,640	I never said u guys didnt pay or anything but i ve been receiving checks for 10 years already and never signed a single one, so how is it my fault the check got bounced...??? Did u tell me before sending it your bank has this policy???

10-31-2011, 11:31 AM	#74
porno jew Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 10,166	sign your checks moron.

10-31-2011, 11:32 AM	#75
Lichen Tube Master Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 1,640	I didnt sign as affiliate but im in Canada and i dont sign any other checks and the only ztod check got bounced, thats why was concerned...

10-31-2011, 11:37 AM	#77
epitome So Fucking Lame Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: St. Petersburg, FL Posts: 12,156	There have been a handful of times where I haven't endorsed a check. The bank endorsed it for me. Tellers even have a special stamp for that. Not saying it wasn't returned because of that, its just the first i've ever heard of it.

10-31-2011, 02:27 PM	#85
anexsia Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 5,735	Okay I just read through 3 pages of this thread and..........How fucking hard is it to endorse a check? Make 2 scribble lines and you're good to go! Sheesh.

10-31-2011, 02:41 PM	#86
Lichen Tube Master Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 1,640	Case closed, Ztod is obviously a stand-up company, not sure why my bank rejected the check, they wont say the reason, I'll sign a new check they sent me and update this thread if anybody interested, peace.