If you are a veteran and you didn't die in the War of 1812, you didn't die defending America.
 

You may have served heroically, but really you died protecting the economic interests of the rich.

And you don't think fighting Germany was defending the US?

Just selling goods and arms to the English and Russians, and steel to the Germans before WW2, was just looking after the rich.

WW1 and WW2 made America into the power it is today. It turned the economy into a successful industrial one. Benefits that have been felt by all Americans rich and poor.

Then consider this. would Germany of developed an Atom Bomb or bombers or rockets that could of hit the US? Would Japan of stopped at Australia and not gone on to invade Hawaii?

Maybe you should read some History before you post.

Yeah, how many vets are buried in europe?
LOL, this is from the people that served, FUCK YOU

don't give this douche the satisfaction of a response.

let this thread die.

What's wrong with you?

Not a enough love as a child? or just like to troll / crap on people.

What are you people really arguing with what he is saying? He is not saying dont honor the veterans. He said that they died heroically but died "protecting the economic interests of the rich."

Which is 100% true. Wars are not fought for protecting the public.

People in Canada and USA really need to get that through their heads.

Maybe us idiots (the west) wouldnt be over in the middle east right now if we understood that?

so again what is he saying that is wrong?

THE TRUTH IS THE TRUTH. all wars are fought for the social elite. The regular citizens death or life do not really matter if the interest of the social elite are full filled. that is how it has always been.

I'll be the first to admit that I did not die defending america.

You have every other day of the year to be a fucking dickhead.
How about not today?

It was a colony, not the United States. Furthermore it was a response to our aggressive acts toward Japan in serving it with an oil embargo.

I defended the fleet and ran as a deterrent against nuclear attack, my daughter did humanitarian aid to the Philippines.

Truth is you don't have a fucking clue, so shut the fuck up

I want to thank you for sitting your dumbass in the bowels of a supercarrier during Gulf War I. I want to honor your sacrifice. Thank you so fucking much.


Congrats on being a cog in the death machine, asshole.

Meta Man, FUCK YOU for the negative rep ASSHOLE

Yeah, the sandpeople were about to invade the USA!

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Hitler declared war on the US and had every intent in bombing us.

The difference between fighting for your country and fighting for your countries best interests is merely semantics... But making the claim that everyone who served and died after the war of 1812 was for nothing more than money and greed alone on a day which is meant to honour them? That is both low and shameful.

The issue here is you were not man / woman enough to server yourself.

You just shit on ppl that did....

I am a big liberal, mostly anti war and all that but having served this great country - I would never think to disrespect ppl who did, especially on V day.

Of course you have your 1ammed. rights to do so but show some class..

You mean Israels best interest, right?

Thanks for wasting a trillion dollars of tax payer money!

Hey Shit for Brains, it was called the Cold War you fucking ignorant troll!!!

I think the point (if he can be said to have one) is that EVERYTHING the US military does or that anyone serving in the military does is touted as being done in the defense of freedom and democracy, even when its clearly not true.

The armed forces serve the interests of the government (and indirectly, the people), but are hardly out fighting day and night to free oppressed people or defend the US from direct attack.

haha i think this thread speaks for itself when its only two idiots defending it

No, I was just smart enough to get a real job.


Did what? Kill thousands of innocent people? Fuck them and fuck you.

Your point is well taken...

Look wars are mostly fought for political / geo political issues.... In cases of wars such as WWII - where we are clearly justifed in our defense of our nation and our allies overseas there is no question - if we should of gone.

we can always blame our leaders, pols, etc but no one, even know they have the right to speak up and protest - should ever degrade the service of our military members as they are of course very low on the chain, so to speak... They follow orders from Pols and do thier job.

This is so.

The threat to your precious freedoms arent foreigners in Afghanistan but fellow Americans in Washington. How does Joe Q. Redneck protect you against that? He doesnt.


I protect ur freedumbs!
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I legislate patriot act III, mandatory RFID chipping of all americans! Now you go and make sure noone is unchipped!
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SIR YES SIR!
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And you don't know much do you?
My daughters ship does humanitarian work all the time, like all aircraft carriers

read this
http://www.navy.mil/search/display.asp?story_id=38237

have you watched the news?
http://gizmodo.com/5686916/uss-ronal...rom-starvation


so if you think the military is just to pick a fight, you are clearly an ignorant person

At ease soldier.

Thats not at all what I said.

All I was saying is that everything the US Military does is being said to be done in the name of freedom and democracy. This is always the selling point. Even when its a bunch of predator drones strafing villages in the Afghan mountains or blowing up a restaurant that Saddam is thought to be sitting in, even when its clearly going to kill scores of innocent people or whatever.

I was more saying that the rhetoric is very often inconsistent with the reality... and the reality if more often than not a matter of perspective. Its very safe to say that the middle east is not impressed with any attempts to force "freedom" and "democracy" on them.

My grandfather flew bombing missions over Germany and was shot down 5 times..survived each one of them. The last time he was shot down it took him 2 weeks to navigate his way from behind enemy lines to a neutral country. He did this defending the freedoms that cocksuckers like you take for granted everyday. Fuck off.:321GFY

You mixing things up...

Pols, make policy - your political leaders - who you and others "elect" into office.

You really should blame then and not re-elect them..

Congress and the admin sets policy and makes new laws, not the military..

The military takes orders, follows laws.

I forsure wasn't happy with the Patriot act but our "politicians" made that law.

He didn't defend any freedoms (except the Jews). You are a moronic, brain washed, uneducated douchebag with no fucking soul.

I am a Veteran, and while LOL picked the wrong time to say this (or right if he's trolling), what he says has a grain of truth.

War is the biggest and most profitable business in the world. We are in the Middle East right now to protect our way of life. Which revolves around oil.

This should not detract from the fact that every veteran, past and current should be honored for their service. Thank you.

Yeah, it all started because like usual we didn't mind our own business, provided weapons to Brits and Russians and put an oil embargo on Japan.

Your mom should have swallowed.

You have a problem with us JEWS? well shit, don't be shy...

Just come out and say it....

Us jews have done alot for this country, us jews love and respect our country, us jews have served this country.

Us jews helped start and run the industry you work in...

hahaha, gfy on V day :)

Top quote is what you said, the reality is that it's more than most anyone thinks, the military is something we have to have. And on a Submarine, like I was, it was 24/7 hazardous duty. I wasn't there to kill people, my Sub only had weapons that could be used on other ships. As far as the drones, you're blaming the administration would be closer to the truth, not the people that fly them, it's not their decision.

Love talking to some of the old timers from WWII , one guy is in his 90's I know, he was on a sub that went into a Japanese Harbor to blow up a ship, had to launch 3 torpedoes till one hit. At the beginning of WWII, torpedoes were shit for accuracy

Lets honor all of them!!!

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You desperately need a history lesson. Hitler had conquered most of Europe and was beating Britain which was one of the last military powers and an ally into submission as well. We gave them a lot more than weapons and tons of very brave people died trying to do in in merchant ships. It wasn't in any nations interest to have Hitler running the world and it was certainly a moral imperative to stop him from mass genocide. Japan had a recent history at the time, no less brutal than Nazi Germany's and also needed to be dealt with.

Its funny that you could use 100s of examples of questionable military use and you choose 2 obvious examples of Military doing the right thing for everyone

The US never had a large peacetime army until after WWII when it was never disbanded as it normally would have been. Instead the military industrial complex sold the people on fear of the boogeyman and used that fear to assure its continued existence and profitability.

After the Soviet Union broke up they needed to sell us a new boogeyman, radical Islam and the biggest fraud of all time, Al Qaeda.

A great intervention, some good reputation on your way...

Don't for a fucking second think that the US had anything to do with winning World War 2 other than their pussy out way of dropping a nuclear bomb. Pussies. Murderers. Losers. Scum.

The Russians won World War 2. The US would be speaking German right now if it wasn't for the Russians.

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When were our freedoms in danger? Do you consider conscription and rationing freedom?

After WWII, the US became a Superpower. And let's face it, the Military Industrial Complex was in full gear. Fear has always been used to keep people in line. From being threatened with ex communication by the Church during the dark ages, to getting groped by TSA at the airports today. I don't care to have our service members fighting in the Middle East, but I am also pragmatic enough to know that if they didn't, our way of life would end.

you need to read and learn, your hate is clouding your vision of reality.

What are you saying here?

You have no clue. You have proved it time and time again. Im going to be honest I think you seem like a nice guy but you are a fat american idiot who needs to open a book.

Where did i say what you did or daughter did was not heroic?

I said indeed it is heroic. Just because you are not capable of separating the issue it is not my problem.

I support troops, wish them the best. But i do not support what they fight for. They mean well but are extremely brainwashed.

So im an asshole because I dont agree with sending innocent young men to fight greedy old mens war? i dont go along with the status quo because im told to.

please explain.

please point out how I cussed out anything. the truth is the truth. the majority of americans dont like to hear it. and that is why you are collapsing.

war was determined to be the way things were/are decided 1000s of years ago, long before america existed.

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What are you 5?? you're a grown man giving a fuck about your "GFY Rep"

Fuck GFY is classic!!

Thank you for insulting me, I was talking about the subject of the thread, are you talking about me....again? Please I know I interest you tons and tons but could you stick to the thread just once instead of insulting me? I'm not hurt by it and everyone sees right through the insult and knows that what you really mean to say is 'I don't know what to argue against that, I have no valid points and all I can do is throw this out.'

Yes, you were there to kill people. What else do you think those fucking bombs do when they explode? Make funny colors?

The people that fly the drones are the one that press the button to kill others, is it not their decision to press the button? So what you're saying is their freedom is taken away so that they can fight for....freedom? Laughable...you are free to do whatever you want, just because you join the military it doesn't mean when you kill you aren't a MURDERER because you still are. You still have the freedom not to join and when you're in the army you have the freedom to reject orders. Don't play the 'not the soldier's choice' card. It is very much the soldier's choice each and every time they kill someone, hurt someone and ruin a family.

hypocrite.

A) point out where i said they should not be honored and do not deserve a day?

you need to be able to separate issues and really understand that human greed and interests are the backing of every decision ever made.

they indeed were fighting for money and greed and nothing else. that is why it is so sad.

i will honor those whos fought bravery but i will not honor the reasons. if people want to throw around "my grandpa did this or that" both my grandpas were in the WW2. and i personally am against war and the reasons. and so were they.

Americans are built up on this thing called "freedom". but your freedom is purely facade.

The country with power always teaches its citizens that the leadership is the best and most suited. that is pure politics.

so please tell me if they didnt fight for money and greed then what did they fight for?

america fights wars that benefit them. The american army is purely a proxy army and is 100% for hire by the highest bidders.

"The difference between fighting for your country and fighting for your countries best interests is merely semantics"

If you are lied to about what your countries best interest are then no you are not really fighting for the best interest.

Your post was condesending toward veterans, sorry if you don't see that.

I don't give a fuck about the rep thing ASSHOLE,I would rather that shit got turned off. I give a shit about the veterans, so shove it up your ass