Im not getting involved but for my own personal info.

Who estimated this?

or do you just post any number that sounds large?

some argue those bombs saved closer to 30,000,000 lives.

The planners of Operation Downfall.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Downfall

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read the patch

came across this today. i wonder if lol belongs in any of those

It could have gone that high or higher.

Casualty predictions varied widely but were extremely high for both sides: depending on the degree to which Japanese civilians resisted the invasion, estimates ran into the millions for Allied casualties[1] and tens of millions for Japanese casualties.

dont post me wikipedia links.

give me a direct quote.

I will post what I choose to post...thank you very much...sport. The educated guess on casualties was made by the planners of Operation Downfall...feel free to research who all of the planners were and then feel free to search for quotes from any of them.

great thread.

What a Fucking Piece of Dog Shit. You must been deopped on your fucking head at birth.

i want to say this again, i will rephrase-

america did not invent war.

the decision to use war as a way to achieve an objective was made thousands of years ago. wars then,and since, just like now, were fought for a myriad of reasons, not the least of which was/is economic gain.

this thread is stupid and moot for that simple reason.

why would i research planners' names in which you obviously have no idea what the names are in the first place?

is that how you normally win an argument.

"GO LOOK IT UP IN WIKIPEDIA! I WIN"

brilliant!

how about the guys that said there were WMDs in Iraq. Do you still believe them?

brilliant old chap simply brilliant!

Is it the government and politicians that fight these wars? Of course not, so ask any soldier why they fight and I promise you you wont find one that says it is for the greed of their government, they fight because they believe in what they are doing. Even if they change their minds in the aftermath if they truly believed they were killing to make their government rich they would have abandoned their post in a heart beat...

Nobody is condoning war here, I don't like it either, but stating that soldiers are only fighting for money and greed IS in fact an act of dishonouring them, whether you think it does or not, especially on a day like today.

non-sequitur.

Yes...a myriad of reasons...including "perceived" national interests...which in and of itself can and usually does contain multiple reasons...with some of the reasons being relayed to the public and some of the reasons not relayed to the public.

In his book, "Decision Points," Bush recalls his thought process after CIA director George Tenet asked for permission to waterboard alleged al Qaeda mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed in early 2003. Bush's response: "Damn right."

In his interview on NBC
LAUER: Why is waterboarding legal, in your opinion?

BUSH: Because the lawyer said it was legal.

He waterboarded the dude ~150 to 200 times to try and get him to admit he was in leaque with Sadam, which of course he wasn't.

A couple years ago I was sitting in the bar at Schiphol airport in Amsterdam and an American soldier walked in and sat next to me. We started talking about a ton of different things, one being the war in Iraq. He was on leave from Iraq to go see his sick son at home. He hated the fact he was in Iraq, he did not believe they were there for the right reason. He was suppose to only do 1 tour, he was currently on his 4th I believe he said. He said they were fighting a war that can never be one and the only reason they were there was for greed. He had some incredible stories let me tell you.

I am not trying to win anything...let alone an argument...and certainly not with you...as I consider you to be ignorant in most subjects you post about. As I stated even the ignorant are entitled to their :2 cents:..but that is all their/your opinion is worth.

I already stated their intentions were honorary and that they should be honored.

that is beside the point of the true reason of war. honoring the soldiers would be seeking truth in life to prove the reasons why they died so we never have to go back there again. if we do not seek truth through their deaths then yes they did die in vain.

but yet us canadians and americans want to sit back and let it be all ok. cause hey we are fighting for things we "believe in".

maybe you are one of those people that when they find out the truth of things goes and ends their life. Not me i always want to be told the truth. If i found out my entire life was a lie, i would have no problem with it. i would change in an instant.

the entire point of believing in something is believing in it for truth. if that supposed "truth" is a complete lie, then what is the point in fighting for it in the first place?

i want to look at truth, not wear a poppy and pretend i am honoring people. you honor people who died by your actions and what you believe in.

hey man dont have a different and sensible view. all soldiers are there because they believe in it ok?

what a fucking disgrace we have become. complete and fucking utter disgrace.

we put on a fucking poppy and throw a fucking parade and we are honoring those who died? give me a fucking break.

we are complete and utter idiots over here it is not even funny. but hey keep sending young men over to fight for shit we "believe in". another soul burned up on the battlefield so we can show the world how much better we are.

GO WEST

Fixed for accuracy.

The SS soldiers ran the extermination and death camps. Their loyalty was not to Germany but directly to Hitler and the Nazi party and they were handpicked by the party. They believed in the superiority of the arian race and were driven by that rather than loyalty to their country or their people.

So, no, for the SS soldier (or officer) that put bodies in the oven it was not sacrifice in their minds but rather privelege.

All strictly imho of course (except the factual parts, like the SS running the death camps and the SS being pretty much hand picked.)

Just for information, so it doesn't get cloudier, there were many german soldiers that were not part of the Nazi party and were not loyal to the Nazi party.

you're nuts!

it is the exact same deal. i dont care if you go off on a wannabe history lesson.

if you think 100% of the "SS soldiers" that did it enjoyed it you are insane.

you cant even admit where your logic is flawed.

You are all over the place.

Let's step back. This started when I said that the soldiers aren't brainwashed. What does the rest of anything you are asking me have to do with that?

Civilians were fair targets? You mean like that one attack that Japan did on US soil and the only attack on US soil during a real war. Didn't they attack a military base?

Rrrright..my history is failing me is it.

It wasn't a pussy move? Well if the people that flew into the Twin Towers didn't do that, it was estimated by them that millions more would die in attacks that were being planned by guys in that tower. Does that make the guys flying the planes into the Twin Towers heros? It's easy to say 'oh it could have or would have' point is, you guys murdered 100,000 innocent men, women and children that posed no threat to you.

Pussy move? Oh yes, very much, no matter from what angle you look at it, it was a VERY VERY VERY pussy move by the US, in fact the PUSSIEST MOVE of all wars, ever.

How does it feel to be ranked #1 in all time pussies United States? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Wait so all enemy soldiers are inherently evil and enjoy killing but US soldiers are inherently pacifists and will only kill when pushed to that line? LOL LOL LOL LOL

Some people are so ignorant and have never left their house/country to see that there is something else out there, other people that aren't American are still people just like you and me.

As to saving lives with an attack....that's like right now coming in and nuking the entire United States of America, killing every one of the 300 million people there and it being ok because 6 billion could possibly die due to the global warming they were causing.

Is it right to kill those 300 million? Of course not, theking and people like him would say, they were Americans, the chosen people, they aren't like the Japs who were sub human monsters or the Nazis who were all homicidal maniacs.

We are Americans, the perfect race and everyone should be like us. Sounds eerily familiar to another world power that tried to use the 'perfect race' card as they attempted to wipe out another race.

Theking, I'm just wondering, are you just racist towards Arabs and Asians or are you also an anti-Semite that hates Jews? What about blacks? Please tell us about your racist views!

Do you honestly believe that anyone here cares what you think

I'm sorry did you not notice the many replies to my many posts throughout this board? I thought it was a discussion board, not a lets all not talk because only Minte says things we care about board...

Do you have a point? Or is your point for me to stop posting because my amazing unbeatable arguments somehow hurt you at the core because they conflict with the values that your mom dad and grandparents ground into you as a child? Sorry if that's the case, I apologize for their part in making you one of the 'sheep'.

My point is more that people should be fighting against that kind of stuff; REALLY, killing 100,000 civilians is ok in what world? If people stand firm in the US they wouldn't ever do something like that again. I have tons of admiration for the US, you guys have it good over there and although it might be rough for your average guy in the US, with money you live like a god. I like that, that people can get somewhere and live large because of their hard work. There's lots of things wrong with the US too, if you don't have a lot of money then it's a totally different story.

But still - if someone does something they should be called on it. And I know saying things like the US pulled a pussy move hits some deep nerves with some of you but it should. It should enrage you that the United States of America would result to something so barbaric and heartless as killing 100,000 innocent people just to prove that they are the bigger guys. I think when 3000 people died in the Twin Towers, those guys who flew those planes into those buildings and anyone who was involved pulled a huge pussy move, those guys are scum but you guys killed 30 times as many people, and I hold all human beings to the same standards. What am I supposed to think?

"Katczinsky: At the next war let all the Kaisers, presidents and generals and diplomats go into a big field and fight it out first among themselves. That will satisfy us and keep us at home.

I think that 65 years ago the world was tired of war. That after losing over 650,000 soldiers that the mindset was we have the means to end this. So they ended it.

I work with a man who's father survived the Bataan death march. I have visited with him over the years and you can rest assured. The Japanese of that era were not warm compassionate people.
World war two was filled with atrocities. Was Dresden necessary? About the same number of civilians burned to death there as what were killed in Hiroshima.

You suck donkey dick.

And you suck wormshit.

And you can't spell , you ignorant fuck.

English!

Do you speak it, motherfucker?

Fuck you.

Fuck you where you breathe.

Fuck you.

Fuck you.

Big Time Greenies, please neg rep the shit out of this buttfuck, OK?

Thank you for your post and thanks to your Grandfather for his dedicated service.

You really are dumber than a box of rocks, aren't you?

Fuck your horse, fuck your dog, fuck your cat, fuck your goldfish and FUCK YOU!

Fuck you, you anti-Semitic son of a bitch!

I read all three pages

lots of interesting and thought provoking posts

then sally rand starts posting

and man for fucks sake learn how to use multi quote

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Pathetically poor Photoshop, Dr. Goebbels!

Dickwad.

Fuck you.

war is a crime and thoroughly wicked, period.

Its a warped world where the bombing and murder of thousands of civilians can be considered as defending freedoms.

proof or ban.

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LOL at the dude posing as Sally Rand once again demonstrating such quick wit, loquaciousness. and an analytical mind previously unheard of here on GFY. :upsidedow

ADG

Oh, stop being silly! Virtually all of the opposition to the continued existence of Israel and the opposition of support for Israel by the very body that created it; the United Nations, is rooted in anti-Semitism.

Why do you not call for "Proof or Ban" on LOL's or moeloubani's posts?

Not one time in this entire thread has anyone called for "Proof or Ban" on LOL or others who have made absurd claims in this thread but when I challenge what ever sort of he/she/it which makes those crazy claims, that is the first thing you can write in response to my posts.

Pardon me but fuck you.

Take your "Proof or Ban" and shove it up your ass.

Thank you for reading.

150 salutes to veterans.

proof or ban.