i agree. but-
the media covered several republicans making it an issue, at least that's how i recall it all getting started.

I hope not. It wasn't my intent.

We don't need your radical shit going on here in the US.

If this is the future of "tolerance" them you can label me "intolerant"...

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Airplanes, or whatever one wants to believe started it, but gravity did the ultimate damage, as shown in the photo.

What goes up, without support, will come down with the combined kinetic energy that went into raising it ... consider how much power it took to raise all that steel, pipes, air conditioning units, facade material, furniture, etc several hundred feet (all the mass of the buildings above the respective impact points) into the air over many, many months ... when the support failed, gravity took over releasing all that power in an instant. It's the same principle behind implosions - knock out some key supports and gravity does rest; there's nothing mysterious about the destruction.

Ron

nope thats just extremist bullshit. Come on Vend you are a smart guy Im surprised you believe everything they spoon feed you.

Of course not. Det charges do the job quite effectively.

Once again the right needs this to win because they have no plan to save the country its all go back to the same shit that made it fail. So they jump on this bullshit. I got to give W credit, he never took that road. He said openly that it was a religion of peace and visited mosques and said what the manics didn't reflect on the rest of muslims.

I agree that Obama's mosque comments are being used as a political football, but I also think Obama should keep his 2 cents out of polarizing issues. He needs to shut the fuck up sometimes.

Between this issue, the "police acted stupidly" statement, and so on, he just needs to keep his opinions out of petty controversial issues. No good ever comes from it. It doesn't matter who is right or wrong. It is a matter of perception and emotion.

I am a huge Obama fan, but even I'm getting pissed off by some of his shit now. Just shut the fuck up, and get some stuff done already!

I agree and he needs to grow a back bone. When cheney was asked there is a growing deficit his response with a smirk was so. Then asked a large number of Americans are against the war in iraq this was 4 yrs in and again his response was so. I respect that , its like we won it all and we will do what the fuck we want to do.
Where my party is the party of fucking wimps. the right is minority and they still run the message, I blame obama for that.
And robert gibbs gets pissed off at progressives for judging the president.maybe its time for them to wake the fuck up.

i'm torn on this issue. on one hand, he's the pusa, it's his job to set the tone. on the other hand, his *tone setting* is more along the lines of politicizing the issue and perpetuating the left v right bullcrud.

And so does fire ... steel significantly weakens well below its melting point...

The twin towers were built with economy in mind and some of those trade-offs made them even more vulnerable to fire than some other very tall structures, such as the Empire State building or the Willis (formerly Sears) Tower.

In particular, the twin towers had large open floor plans with minimal steel used with minimal fire protection compared to that of buildings utilizing box construction, such as the Empire State building, which contains more steel, much of which is well fire protected, than both of the taller, more spacious twin towers combined!

Once one floor fails, it pancakes on to the one below it, which in turn fails due to that extra mass on top of it, followed by more pancaking rapidly leading to building collapse.

Placing explosives would be far more difficult than people realize - sure it doesn't take much, relatively speaking to bring down a building, but one can't just place them haphazardly. The amount of time and effort required would have been considerable, as well as very noticeable, especially if placing them so high into the structure.

I'm amazed what people believe and post without at least thinking it through a bit first. But then this is GFY so perhaps that's par for the course :1orglaugh

Ron

come on, let's not make this a 9/11 conspiracy thread eh.

2c :-)

the empire state building had a plane crash into it and only that floor and the poor people on it were fucked.

if Muslims can't build a Mosque near GroundZero, Catholics can't build a church near a playground

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

I've been "thinking it through" for 9 years. Believe what you want. I believe it was blown.

He came as POTUS and stood up for what the 1st Amendment clearly states, then when the right wing starts hollering muslim lover, campaign issue, etc, he waffles and says because they can doesn't mean they should. I think steps back because he still thinks he can swing the right to work with him, which they never will. I agree, He should say what he thinks and be like Cheney and "SO".

"Allahu Akbar! Allahu Akbar! Allahu Akbar!"

Those were the last words recorded on the cockpit voice recorder of Flight 93, and the very same words that will be chanted five times a day at the Ground Zero Mosque should it be built.

Say what you will about religious freedom and such but that's just plain wrong.

Very wrong.

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Some of the threads lately, and you really still think that?

I'm gay, how come no one is debating that???

but are you also trying to get married? We're very serious when it comes to our words. We don't want any of you gays using our words. The word "Marriage" belongs to us straight peoples. :1orglaugh

Wow this country is really bigoted, maybe when we have a black president maybe we can get away from the stereotype.
As a country and culture America does not tolerate racism. Its not accepted in our media, justice system, religion or government. Can that be said in even moderate Muslim countries?
The Imam that is involved in the Ground Zero mosque won't condemn terrorists groups.

'Ground Zero Mosque' Imam Helped FBI With Counterterrorism Efforts
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0..._n_685071.html

Walter Isaacson, head of The Aspen Institute told the Huffington Post. "He has consistently denounced radical Islam and terrorism, and promoted a moderate and tolerant Islam.


stopping buying rightwing boogieman talk :)

Is this what fox news is reporting now, well.. not really reporting, basically this is the shit they're spewing now?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0..._n_685071.html

"Imam Feisal ..... He has consistently denounced radical Islam and terrorism, and promoted a moderate and tolerant Islam...." P.S. in that article he helps our Government too.

The video of him speaking to the news about this, he says his group and 99.9% of all Muslims condemn terrorism.

http://www.asmasociety.org/home/p_press_16.html
NY Times Article: Imam Feiasl said, "condemns suicide bombings and all violence carried out in the name of religion."

A Nexis/newsday article (pw protected) has Rauf saying after 9/11 "categorically condemned suicide bombers."

I don't really care either way, but I do hate fox news so....

uh oh Doc, pesky facts, tsk tsk

So you're saying you were calling me names first thing because of other threads? What a fucking moron

He is a big backer of Sharia law and I read something about him wanting to change somethings about Muslims in the US to be under Sharia law, I don't think that will ever happen, it was probably a opinion piece

You're still mad at me because my opinion doesn't conform to the Obamanation of beliefs?
Dude, look at the polls, I'm not the only one!

You know what I decided to look up any past quotes from the Imam before this controversy. All I found was 1 video promoting his book and 1 with Tom Brokaw (2006).
Sounds like he is saying what everyone wants to hear. I would love to hear or see all his condemnation for terrorism before 2009. If anyone can dig that up, I'll be a convert about his motives.

http://www.islamfortoday.com/60minutes.htm

60 minutes trans script, dated: Sept 30, 2001 he said: "Fanaticism and terrorism have no place in Islam. That's just as absurd as associating Hitler with Christianity, or David Koresh with Christianity."

On Google to the left is more search tools, you can enter a data range and it will pull up news/articles, etc from those ranges, somewhat at least.

wtf did those that want to build that thing have to do with 9-11? not one fucking thing that I've seen. ALSO..

IT'S TWO FUCKING BLOCKS AWAY FROM WTC.

what the fuck is insensitive about that? not one god damn thing

so what are you left with? making a bunch of fucking noise about nothing because YOU are fucking bigoted against the muslim faith. that's it.. that is all you fucking have.

It would be 3 blocks, or 4 blocks= tea baggers would still be on it ... after all, what they they have concrete to run on ?

600ft is too close, it's insensitive, if you weren't such a raging asshole you would see that, in the Quran, it teaches differently
is your translation software buggy or something?

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh what the fuck ever. the only people being insensitive are foxnews fanboys like yourself.


they have every damn right to build a house of worship any god damn where they want.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_religion

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom..._United_States

I never said they didn't have the right, but without reading anything about what I post you had an answer, you're just another ignorant troll

No you've just spent you time on GFY since this issue came to light behaving as if they didn't... so you must be the troll here.

and when did I say you said that? talk about not reading.. typical fucking troll move right there pal.

Vendzilla = foxnews obsessed, right-wing fanboy troll

plain and simple.

dude's here day in day out harping on every god damn fox news talking point. it never fucking fails.

I'm a Greek Christian Orthodox, yet not that religious. Just from the fact this is a historical building something should be done about it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Nic...rthodox_Church

You said they have the right to build anywhere they want, well in broken english, I never said they didn't, is that vein in your head about to burst?

Try really hard not to be a troll, I know it's hard for you