paysites with no trailers =

Awwwww, Danza and robbie are buds....

nah, mostly people do that so their bandwidth bill is low.

I thought people don't give trailers or some type of free content because it's easier to build tours this way.

There was a long thread a while back... I think it was EscortBiz that said that it increased sales on his network.

all's im saying is look at good quality content....


yeah im friends with robbie and claudia .... but this was an unbiased fact I was stating...
I can honestly say that I am a surfer at heart ... and that would piss me the fuck off....

I will list a few more quality content sites....

www.amateurallure.com
www.sweetloads.com

www.anything duke dollars has to offer that they shot.com (I don't speak for their aquired content but then again I havent watched


www.anything how i got rich shot.com

these are quality sites... quality content...

oh and one of my favs

www.room213.com who ever shot that knows what the fuck they are doing....

It was, some people swear by no trailers.

OMFG< amateur allure. YOu done said enough son!!!!!

Thomas!!!!

now thats quality content!!!

this thread is RIDDLED with bias remarks. though you are right about their content being awesome. Its definitely original and niche specific.

Did i mention that you and me are gonna fight!!! I just got two phone calls tonight offering me trips to vegas... so its coming son... Get your mits on!

You better not hurt me

hahahahaha... get your ass here.. ill give you the mma gloves and ill rock the 16's....

ALso, I gotta see this mullet

We don't offer free clips... part of the tease factor. If they want to see our twins play and frolic, they have to pay for it. ;)

Well I would do the opposite of whatever alphasky is doing, so definitely put up clips on your tours

and thats the reason why you have barely any members

the sole purpose of the trailers are to tease, but don't mix the trailers and badly done mix of the chunks glued together.

I don't think that's true, I've had sponsors that no trailers and had shitty content areas outconvert sponsors with trailer tours and good content.. it's all in the pitch, sometime you pitch around a trailer, sometimes it's about teasing them with pic wondering what vids are like on the inside.

Trailers have their place on some tours, other tours do better without.

that site looks like it's in the ex-gf stolen pics niche so it could work.

Hmmm....

I think video trailers are a must, and help with the tease factor !

Check out the trailers at VictoriaSummers.com and LouisaMay.com shows a hint of whats inside and a little personality to boot...

shitty content inside members area... yes...

music on those two trailers and the editing overall almost made me fall a sleep.
And the seconds long laughs and "pls sir" statements sound to unnatural.

I think those are perfect examples of the trailers that do more damage then good to the site.

Other then that, sites are designed to embed much bigger trailers then the ones up now. On the http://www.louisamay.com/ it looks somewhat good, but totally silly on http://www.victoriasummers.com/

So basically you can't put all the trailers in the same basket, great ones will sell better then the shitty mix of clips with boring music background.
On the other hand great trailer is not always the one with the fancy animations, hardcore music etc ... it all depends on the site theme.

It's true, tours without trailers (or maybe just 1 trailer) will convert better than tours with trailers for every scene.

However, in todays world you are also trying to sell the tour to affiliates, so if you don't have any trailers you wont get as much traffic.

Two things I am certain of is that:

1) a tour with many trailers is not good for conversions.

and

2) a tour with many good screen caps of each clip and no trailer is best for conversions.

everyone go's around the facts....

bottom line is if your content is good then show it.. now don't give to much away.. but trailers are key to whats inside...

as for the comment of the guy that promotes a shitty content area... your part of the reason that surfers don't join sites anymore...

if everyone stopped promoting shitty members areas... and acutually gave a fuck about the surfer then we would not be where we are today....


you realize that affiliates have killed the paysite game by wanting 40-50 bucks per signup ......


FUCK YOU


all in favor of regression to old school of nothing but 50/50 revshare say I


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Funny I just put in a request for a trailer free tour just like your first sample for one of the best sites in the world.

Here is another example of what I am talking about.....


http://www.18andabused.com



great looking site... ive visited it many times hoping to join... but guess what

they do the ole bait and switch deal and pretend to have trailers...

just join stop looking for free trailers.

Numbers don't lie dude... You also gotta take into consideration the traffic going to these landing pages. A lot of times all it takes is one good thumb to get the surfers attention.

In an era where our industry is suffering because of too much porn being given away for free, you want to give porn away for free?

There are several factors to keep in mind and no site is 100% equal to another, but in my experience, statistics shows no trailer tours beats trailer tours in up to 400%, we're not talking about pennies, but up to 400%, so really have no idea where are you getting this idea from. This being said, I'm talking about regular trailers, the ones webmasters make showing excerpts of their episodes. Professionally made trailers oriented to SELL rather than displaying the scene may have very different results, but they're way more expensive, so it's not like many sites are willing to build them (as a matter of fact, there might be like 0.1% or less of existing paysites using SELLING trailers)

Now I expect Robbie to say his usual yadda yadda, but as I said many times, Claudia Marie is a very special site, while 99.99% of sites are just similar between each other, only changing niche or theme. Thus, when you show what's inside, people will see they have EXACTLY THE SAME as 99.99% of existing sites. Period.

Anyway, you can argue all what you want, numbers shows exactly the opposite, and as long as I'm always willing to jump on the results train, unless shown otherwise, I'll keep trusting objective numbers and research rather than someone telling a theory not backed by numbers (=money). The day someone shows situation has changed, that day I'll jump into the trailer train or whatever makes more money. As simple as that.

Wow...

Wow thanks for the review lol... I guess some people dont agree as the sites are converting at 1/200 at the moment... and in this climate thats damn good lol...

I guess you do videos and could do a far better job... maybe one day I will hire you to knock something up so I can see just how good your jedi ninja skills are

yadda yadda

Um last time i checked FHGs convert pretty well with 30 sec teasers... And with all the free stolen shit online i dont see having some teasers being a harm for conversions.

And if you cant afford the bandwidth of your trailers then something is wrong, bandwidth isnt that pricey these days...

Did he just yadda yadda sex!??!?!

"I'm Giving Her All I've Got Captain!"

What is this? Gay tennis?

the monkeys they hire to steal content cant figure out how to steal video content

What about people who still look at pictures? I'm one of those people. I don't care about videos or trailers.

Right here your theory is proved to be incorrect.

It depends on the site. Some need it, some don't. But if you have someone looking at photos, it doesn't matter.

hehe jedi, ninja, funny ... I didn't say anything about your site conversion, didn't even bother to check if those are your sites. I just said how those trailers look from my pov, I don't even call that trailer.

No disrespect to you or your sites, I'm just looking at your trailers and giving my honest opinion.

oh and, I do create trailers and I could do far better job, and maybe one day I will knock something up so I can show you just how good my humble skills are

no one size fits all answer to this.

the point being if you have a good product.. show it... they will join ... if you have a shitty product .. (ie) paid for non exclusive content) then by all means don't show it and screw the surfers..... but im telling you shitty members areas with shitty content that the surfer thought was good cause the outside looked good is killing us more than tubes......



surfer A.. joins site with no trailers cause the tour is great.. gets inside and says well this sucks no wonder they didn't have trailers on the outside... now he never joins another paysite again and go's to free porn...

SurferB likes trailer from site... knows what to expect when he gets in... enjoys strokes off and joins another site in the future cause he was not ripped off....

it's simple business guys I am so surprised you all don't understand...... ok so judging by all your theories it's OK to have a shitty members area with shitty clips as long as you get the sale from the tour that does not alert the surfer to said shitty members area?

This thread.

No, you're mixing everything. You said trailers on tours and how they affect to sales, now you're talking about members areas and retentions, then say others have theories (whic some of us have data to backup) and you come with a theory that MIGHT be backed by a few exceptions and nothing else.

So let's cut to the chase: you may have great content or you may have HORRIBLE content. Barring a few exceptions (I don't know, maybe 0.1%? 0.5%? 20%?) sites with great content and standard trailers will convert worse than sites with great content and no trailers. IN GENERAL. Statistically speaking. So I'd go with a) no trailers or b) sales oriented trailers. How do I know what to do? By using STATISTICS. TRACKING. TESTING. No matter how many theories you have, nothing beats numbers (=money). You can say whatever you want, but at the end of the day, the only thing that matters is how much money I've in my pocket.

Now, if I had HORRIBLE CONTENT, then what's the point to have trailers to show how horrible is my content? Again, I'd go with no trailers.

then, we have retentions. If you think retentions nowadays are based ONLY on great content, then I don't even know what to say. I'd beat most great content sites with just some good non-exclusive content when it comes to retentions by simply using a small part of the money used to shoot exclusive content to create ad maintain retention tools. There are tricks to do it (and nothing shady before you say anything) and there are business models that, with some slight changes, allow your site to be a retention machine. Bar none.

So we get to content. You mentioned Robbie, and that's a GREAT exception since Claudia Marie is everything a porn site should be: it sticks to a theme, a model that is faithful to her site, it has humor, it is original, it's fun, the model isn't just "yawn... another porn scene" but she seems to have a great time or at least willing to give a great time to her members. But again, this is an EXCEPTION.

More than 90% of sites using exclusive content are absolutely boring, it's just the same scene after scene, just changing the model. Let alone if we're talking about niches, most "niche sites" content is off niche, esp if we're talking about fetishes (I'm talking about multi-sites companies, small sites usually know what they're doing). So, in this context... what's the point to pay for a membership? And how the hell are they going to retain? Most sites with budgets able to pay for exclusive content could be making 10, 20 or 100 times more than what they do now by just changing the business model and the way they deliver content. Granted. In the meanwhile, most companies are busy crying about tubes and those filthy affiliates (who built their businesses in the first place) when some of the solutions are right in front of them. Fuck, they're yelling in they ears "here I am, use me!!!" and many companies are totally deaf (as in "I'll only do something once someone else does it, then I'll copy it. In the meanwhile I'll be happy losing money rather than doing something")

So, in short, you mixed everything and your premise is still wrong. Numbers, mister, it's all about numbers (=money).

You don't want to know my answer to that

Wonder when someone will try an all text page, no pictures or anything, and just describe what the site offers and have a join button. See how that converts.

It was made many times, and results weren't that bad. Of course, no "0 images", but very little, I've seen sites with no more than 5-6 non-linked previews. All in all, this will work only for very exclusive fetishes and/or some amateur sites with some specific twists