Do not do business with TMM / NATS
 

Or he will bullshit you in case of any issue

So that's my part of the story. The whole drama started by John it's based on personal relations and there's nothing what could be explained in biz words. So grab your pop-corn and enjoy :1orglaugh

I have contacted John about getting every NATS program listed as we did it with CCBill (it was my initiative and i didn't cooperate with CCBill that way). Why i didn't want to do it on the first place with NATS - because if CCBill program dies out i still get payment from CCBill. With NATS it's different and i don't trust as much NATS programs as CCBill. I also can be sure that the traffic i and other webmasters send won't be fucked by program owner. So i figured out we with TMM will both benefit by such cooperation - they buy ads so people see we are cooperating and i'll do my regular job (i hoped that ads will be a good sign for big corporations). Actually webmasters are visiting Signbucks Daily because there's no other such directory with so many programs in it. He agreed and that's where everything begin.

First there was delay in a month before they paid and another month before they have their banner up. I was freaked out why it takes so long to get any reply from him. i messaged him a few times what's the status of our coop and stuff like that and always get reply from him in a few hours or even days. In a few weeks he told me that Vlad is on vacations and he's the one to operate the campaign on NATS side. I was like - couldn't you tell me that before so we will be ok? In a few weeks Vlad came back and it took another few weeks to have their banner done. No communication or anything, though the campaign should be started like a month and something ago (in the way i do it with other people). Finally one day I got that banner, put it up. Then it was another minor issue with emailing nats clients about the option of getting listed when again we have agreed it will be done to announce the deal. And once it was announced at XBiz and boards it appeared it will be done in a few weeks (they have their flying schedule, though from the conversation i thought it'll be done once the campaign will be active). Another misunderstanding, but finally everything got ok.

So the first month was ok, i've sent a report on nats programs i've listed and updated and attached invoice. I've asked if it's possible to pay upfront or pick up different payment method for monthly payments because it's very inconveniet for me to cash-in checks. I first contacted John, then Vlad and in a week after invoice was delayed i got a response from Vlad that monthly invoice was paid. In the next day or two i got reply that they don't want campaign anymore because "no, you pulled it off ridiculously, i have no interest in renewing it".

The bottom line is that we have announced the deal on getting every NATS program listed. So there were some promises and i was mad because now i wouldn't be able to deliver it (i'm was always a guy of the word). It was a few times during our communication when i pointed to lack of one to John and Vlad. And it resulted into this drama. It was my first experience where i was treated that bad with a partner. So it was lack of communication on their side and 'ridiculously pulled' campaign on mine. We don't like each other, but we could overcome this minor issues, though John didn't want and made it public

Actually i didn't expect TMM/NATS will behave that cheap way. I've dealt with many advertisers at Signbucks Daily and there was no issue until yet.

Anyway this drama doesn't hurt me, you just promote my site. So thx for doing it. There's no room at Signbucks Daily for any kind of shit. I simply list all affiliate programs, monitor all the changes so webmasters are comming for that stuff. It's important for their biz.

About TMM and your products. NATS has number of issues as a product. TMM also is not the best company in public opinion because all that drama you got involved yourself over the years. This recession in the industry must be hitting you especially hard, so that's why you are so mad i guess. And arguing with media isn't the best way to do biz.

Anyway i'm not going to bash NATS or TMM anywhere for no reason. All my posts are and were unbiased, the same is all the stuff at Signbucks Daily. I'll just point to the real issues NATS got in affiliate perspective where it's needed (actually that's what makes you mad). But John, i just criticize your product for the real stuff. There's nothing personal and there's no attack, once you improve your product so there will be no issues with it - you'll hear nothing from me.

This drama is made from nothing and it'll result in timeloss from both of us. I've clearly explained myself. Hit me up on icq and let's figure out how to resolve it from this point.

Ahh. And btw $150 is ads rate at SBD. That's where that amount came from. It's not like it costs $150 to get listed ;)

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This could have been resolved with a phone call.
TMM has never let me down, ever, and I've been with them since Jan of 04.
Duke

Can you add me to that please?

What a waste of time lol

Daizzy you are a guy thats full of it and we all know it.
We dont take your review site serious, we dont think its cool to share passwords, and we dont respect your opinion on your silly review sites blackblist, because its nothing more then a personal crusade against the people that disagree with your views, OR even worse, that dont want to PAY a couple hundies to get a site reviewed.

Stop crying, better fix your rep, and your site. It used to be one of my favorites, now its nothing more then just another waste of pixels.

Your complete list is BASED on PERSONAL drama, the same thing you acuse John of. Now, grow up for fuck sake and stop wasting our time.

Duke, Daizzzy is a well known idiot that was caught red handed giving away members passes to surfers for them to "review" the sites. The guy's a complete and utter failure and nobody takes him seriously so I wouldn't worry too much about it.

Let's see, John at TMM or some retard that constantly makes incorrect assumptions? Easy choice for me.

Ps. this quote:

Says it all for me. Right THERE you left the unbiased "REVIEW" site that webmasters would take if for, and went to the "im just trying to make money site i dont care whats best for the webmasters" side.

Are you keeping the nats programs listed in your site? Or removing them?

my personal conflict with John isn't the reason to remove any nats program from the list. actually he just offers a script and other people stand behind each particular program.

every established nats program i respect like ddf cash, kinky$, ddg cash, shemale profits etc is listed already. the new ones were in question, that's what pushed me to have a deal with them.

my real opinion is that a guy which got content (those are usually ones starting new programs) can't start with nats. he won't be able to run it. that's what practice actually shows.

so only new nats programs are in question. if solid people will stand behind any new nats program it'll be listed

actually i won't be going any further with this drama beside this gfy thread. john wanted drama - he got it. there's nothing Signbucks Daily will lose because of this - we are visited by small and middle affiliates and target small and middle programs. and their best option is Signbucks Daily.

and it's completely different for nats on the other hand. anyway i'm not going to bullshit it for no reason. just bring some facts and my opinion based on them where it's needed

You are contradicting yourself in every post you make..

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Prepare to be banned. I got banned for simply asking John if they found the person who hacked NATS. You kinda taking it to another level here. If John shows this to Eric, you have 100% chance of being banned.

welp.. see ya later

LOL... thanks for the laugh, retard

mmm popcorn sounds good right about now but sadly I'd rather just have the time i wasted reading this thread :error

Wow you really want that ban-hammer. This really isn't even worth a thread.

I believe John.

Let me see if I get this right: your "unbiased" reviews have a cost and you try to squeeze even off back-end scripts? What's next? ie, if ElevatedX doesn't pay you you won't review sites using ElevatedX ? If MatrixContent doesn't buy banner spots you won't list sites using Matrix content? If you're that unbiased, what do you care about back-end scripts? And that CC-Bill vs NATS crap you say regarding possible non-payments... well, it's a so stupid "logic" I can't even start to describe all the flaws in it. Let's just say I've seen hundreds of CCBill programs disappear, just like NATS or MPA or whatever.

Man, I never had anything against you, I don't even care about your constant spam, but now you admit your "unbiased" reviews aren't unbiased at all, people says you distribute passwords and you attack respected people in this industry because they don't buy your ads spots. Boo-fucking-hoo!

And I gotta agree sometimes John is hard to get ahold of, but... that's what happens with busy people. And it's not like they're obliged to pay you shit, you know?

Anyway, dig your own grave as much as you like, but, if anything, this post will only hurt you, as you can see by the replies :2 cents:

Not taking any sides here, but TMM/John is a stinking piece of shit too.

Oh and they can't afford $150/m for advertising?

LOL

I know many complaints have gone to the mods of GFY with regard to your tactics but nothing has been done BUT I must say it looks like the ban hammer is now about to fall as will76 and others have rightfully pointed out.

Both of you are idoits. Drama over 150 buck. Give me a break.

Like if spamming of your site in every thread of the trading forum would make a good image of it.. LoL

A new program can't start up with NATS? Why?

Says the retard begging for a few tenners on icq.

He threatened to sue me a couple of years back when I posted on this forum if there were a problem with the securty of the mailing lists in NATS since every time I signed up for a NATS affiliate program with a unique email it took a short time before the addy got spammed big time.

I guess its to bad he never did.

i won't comment any other stuff before John will be back
hope we'll find enough wisdom in ourselves to end this lame drama between us

Another GFY'er digging a hole for himself

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I am not even gonna ready that
You're annoying, always has been ,always will
I met John and the crew in Montreal, they 're good people, so gfy!

Going into damage control may be too late. :2 cents:

I predict a few pages before ban hammer.

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Hard words about stuff working with zillion paysites...

oh daizzzy ... time to move ... it is about 150, you make 150 in week, john make 150 in hour ... do you need to waste your time that way? move on and do not play with people here, they are rich old schools who are in their business for years, we are newbies who thinks they can change anything, but we cant ... take it, move and make some money! :winkwink:

test ... wtf, csumpa? here is teencat, wtf?

teencat here, not sure why i got cookied with that csumpa account ... :upsidedow

Isn't this just a personal argument over a bit of advertising that's been blown way out of proportion or have I missed the point?

what's signbucks daily? thing you spam everywhere?

Are you going to sell your site once your banned?

yes i have been using it and i had it cookied on my gofuckyourself domain and as i am using gfy domain and clicked on gofuckyourself link that daizzzy provided, i got that old account cookied ... i am using only teencat of course so i was a bit amazed, anyway problem solved now ... :food-smil10

im sure his 100 visiits a day, giving out passwords to surfers, and being a general degenerate sure do compete with 100's of programs using nats.

i seen daizzzy himself say 300/day

Who is "we"?

does the seed come out and then pop, or are you firing out the actual piece of popped corn? it looks painful

it is photoshopped :2 cents:

I love it when two bit nobodies forget their place.

Why would anyone care about being banned from GFY?