Multisexsite - You owe me $...PAY UP!
 

All of the below is my dealings with MultiSexSite, who posts here and with his site superbooster.com.

Heres the deal... I rarely ever do contract work for people, its just not my style.. I do things for people when I need a little extra cash.

So my admin hits me up on icq, he had seen someone asking for a project done in php/mysql, it was a fairly easy project, just a little time consuming. It was actually an affiliate program and sales tracker for his cell phone booster site. So i message the guy, he gets back to me with the full details of the script... and I agree.

Then we start talking about how much money I would get paid. Someone else had quoted him at I believe like 500, so i said 400. I talk to the guy on the phone, he starts trying to wheel and deal me, he said he is really low on money, this and that and he would give me 10% of whatever the business makes if i do the script free. I tell him $200 and 5%, I met him half way. He says fine.

I get most of the script done, he mails me the 200, and I finish the script, he even agreed that it worked, I made sure, tested it with different scenarios. There was one problem with it, but I pretty much made assure it was OK.

Mind you this is all a couple months ago. So I hit the guy up on ICQ he says he is making no sales, cant find anyone to promote it. This went on for a few weeks. So like last week I ICQ the guy, he says he isnt using my script anymore, and he pretty much assumes that I am not entitled to any more money... I am not to sure if I agree with that, sure I took a risk on that 5% but what the fuck?

My way of thinking he either owes me 200 or the 5% that we agreed on.

So basically I am calling you out.

Alky

fucked up, the guy promised you 5% of his business....i don't care what script he's using he owes you 5% now...you got him on his feet & now he's trying to fuck you?...

sounds like this guy needs to pay up

um..........i agree with you that you are owed 5%. But if 5% of nothing is nothing, that's what you are owed. You should have sized up if he was capable of making any money.

Did you get any of this in writing?

I see that guy posting his stats to the program, he is making sales with it. Get the fucker..

he is making money now... just not with my script, but either way your logic is just borked. I didnt do the script for my health, I did it thinking he would pay

this multisexsite dude has made multiple posts saying his program is making mad sales & doing well....lemme see if i can find the threads...

in fact i think he was offering $200 for december or something as a prize..lemme look

go kick his door down. I hate people like that!


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oh that's different , if he's making some money, it doesn't matter if he uses your script, he still owes you 5%.

What a dick, he is now on the PCC shitlist

He really owes you 5% for life, but I think if he gave you the other 200.00 you originally offered, that would be fair....:2 cents: :2 cents: And he either is a cheat or full of shit, because he's offered to buy sites here before, and always talks about how good his program does?? ....He needs to pay up!!

See man, this is what is good about webmaster boards...when people get fucked over you can come out & let people know about it.

$200 here....$500 there...it all adds up...& crooks need to be held accountable

Peep this out

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...=first+c lass

Multisexsite says he never flys coach...only first class....but couldn't afford an extra $200 for a script?....

Whats going on dude...i think you owe some people an explanation

thats how I feel, 200 would be fine, I just want something.

Heres a thread he started looking to buy email lists??
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...threadid=94223

Dude you need to make this situation right, or Go Fuck Yourself!!

http://www.multisexsite.com/stats.jpg

seems to me like alky is entitled to 5% of that....recurring :Graucho

yah i saw him post a couple days ago where he won't fly coach and only first class. you'd think 200 bucks would be pretty much nothing to him.


edit: oops you just posted that.. should have read the whole thread first... ;)

Ok, I didnt want to make this public, but you did. The script you wrote me was a complete PIECE OF SHIT! It did not have the features I asked for, it look like a 2 year old wrote the script. In order for me to pay affiliates, I would have had to email every single one of them and ASK them for their password to be able to login and see their stats.

You are lucky I didnt ask for my fucking $200 back for that worthless script.

You can bitch and moan all you want, but you wrote me a worthless piece of code that was NOT what I asked for. I didnt promise you 5% of my business, I promised you 5% of what the script earned me. Which in this case was $0 because it FUCKING SUCKED.


If anyone owes anyone something, you owe me $200. Stop having your little friend pr0 post in your favor.

BTW I never agreed that the script worked. To this day it has NOT been completed.

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Mind you this is all a couple months ago. So I hit the guy up on ICQ he says he is making no sales, cant find anyone to promote it. This went on for a few weeks. So like last week I ICQ the guy, he says he isnt using my script anymore, and he pretty much assumes that I am not entitled to any more money... I am not to sure if I agree with that, sure I took a risk on that 5% but what the fuck?


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I didnt have any sales when you asked me in November. I have had all my sales in December.


Alky 11/30/20 3:28 PM so hows the sales going?

MultiSexSi 11/30/20 3:29 PM same as always

Alky 11/30/20 3:30 PM mind if i look at the stats?

MultiSexSi 11/30/20 3:30 PM haha, nope

Alky 11/30/20 3:30 PM whats the password for the phpmyadmin?

MultiSexSi 11/30/20 3:30 PM i dont know

Alky 11/30/20 3:31 PM whats the password for the site admin?

Alky 11/30/20 3:31 PM that webpage

MultiSexSi 11/30/20 3:31 PM what for? I have no sales, no traffic

Alky 11/30/20 3:31 PM damn dude

Alky 12/14/20 2:35 PM yo, your site... hows it going?

MultiSexSi 12/14/20 2:35 PM its ok

Alky 12/14/20 2:35 PM making some $ yet?

MultiSexSi 12/14/20 2:36 PM a little.. not a lot

Alky 12/14/20 2:36 PM how much traffic you got going at the site?

MultiSexSi 12/14/20 2:36 PM like maybe 100 a day





And now, the part where the script wasnt finished:

MultiSexSi 11/14/20 7:27 PM ok, one problem, if someone presses reload on the thankyou page, it adds another sale...

Alky 11/15/20 2:41 AM hmmm ill check it out tomorrow, im a little drunk




You never checked it out and it was never finished. Your next messages to me were asking about sales. HOW THE FUCK CAN I HAVE SALES WHEN YOUR SCRIPT DOESNT FUCKING DO ANYTHING?

There were many other features that I requested that were not included. In the admin area, all I could do was change a webmasters payment info. I could not see their stats at all. I would have to login to each affiliate's stats with their username and their password to be able to see who sent me sales. With 50 affiliates this would take hours.

I dont owe you a fucking dime and I never will.

Fuck this, now that you've brought this up and hurt my reputation, I want my $200 back. Send it to the address that was on the payment.

never let an alky code for ya...*hiccup* oh and Multi I dont think u had a rep to begin with...

I do with the people I've done business with. If I thought I owed him 5% or $200 I'd pay it. I have paid out thousands to people on this board.

well I see its like this,you paid for the code,code wasnt up to your standards so you say,so are u saying that he owes you money for you saying its not up to your standards? It's all basically up in the air...and what about compensation for his time working on the script?

If you bought a script and it didnt work, would you expect to pay for it?

Its not that the code wasnt up to my standards. Its that the code was completely unusable as an affiliate program.




Compensation for his time working on the script?

If a guy says he's going to fix the roof on your house for $4k, he shows up a couple days, fucks around up on the roof, doesnt fix anything, then comes asking for his $4k, are you gonna pay him?

fuck it,call judge judy...

Sounds fair to me

like a real judge would say, was any of this in writing and signed by both parties? if not you are screwed..... anything involving money or business deals should be written & signed with a contract..

it's quite clear:

If the scripts wasnt doing what it was supposed to do
you had to work that out with Alky right away
or request a refund.

Now it's just you owing 5% to Alky although paying
the $200 sounds more reasonable and real for now.

To be honest Multisex, what did you expect? No coder worth his salt would do a custom script for so little....especially an affilliate program...more likely he provided you with a copy of an old affiliate program he wrote hacked up to be usable on your site....

As a fellow coder though I can understand how hard it can be to code something that meets someone else's needs...however if the script overall was completely unusable for you, then either he should be willing to refund the money or offer to correct the script to a point it is functional the way you want it to.

Really it's all dependant on what you requested of him. Whenever I do contract work I always specify point by point exactly what I'll be doing and the cost for providing said features, should that change then the cost changes as well. That way both myself and the client are on the same page. How exact were you in specifying your needs to the programmer? Is it possible he feels that he filled his end of the deal whereas you feel he didn't? /shrug....

NOTE: I did say that I would give him 5% of what the script earned. NOT 5% of everything. Therefore even by your thinking I dont owe him anything.

And BTW, 5% so far is way less than $200.

If you want some good programming done, let me recommend Maxcom. He has done a fair bit for me and its top notch.

multisex,

send me 500 paypal now and i'll be on your side to back your ass up man.

you are fucked.

I making popcorn now :thumbsup - love drama

Thats why this shit is always done with third parties.

I hate to see things like this

The way I see it is this: He got $200 for his work. I got NOTHING for my $200.

people im not fucking around here and what i read then multisexsite is right ?

im a php programmer if i make a script i finish it 100% and then im not going to fuck with 1 little thing

i will fiinish it directly, he didt deliver the right work so he didt get paid full simple

and now he is asking for the rest, im laughting about it.

I disagree with you, Apollo. I think it is market forces that allow anyone to quote what they want. Look, I am a computer science guy and hard coder as hard as you get; I love coding with a passion, but I did learn one thing, I can NEVER EVER BEAT those poorer countries programmers would will always undercut mine. Right now, I have hired about 3 developers for less money then what they would otherwise cost. I have 3 developers on my payroll costing me only 600 per month; so I don't see why it is that hard to get a script done for only 500 bucks, don't you think so Apollo?

-Nato

but i dont know if multisexsite is lying or not ? thats possible too, i dont know that.

I do NOT concur with you toodamfli, because I believe if you contract to do some work and you don't deliver then you shouldn't be paid until it is done correctly. Look, I am not sure if you have done any contract work with other guys over the net. I have done a lot with guys over the net and to be honest, I am DAMN SORRY AFTERWARDS about the quality of work they provide. I mean look here, I had a few system admins work on my servers and to be damn honest ALL OF THEM FUCKED UP; but as I had already paid, there was nothing I could do about it. Right now I personally will NOT pay a single cent until they do a good job; my standard is high and I expect people to come up to it; but lets face it guys, a lot of guys out there are out to take you for a ride and I have learned my lesson, cash remains with me until you provide the service and a good one first.

-Nato

Why would I lie? If his script worked, I would have no reason not to use it.

I didnt be an ass and start bitching about my $200 when I realized it was a lost cause getting this script. I wrote it off as a cost of doing business and left it at that. I realize some things dont work out as planned. I did nothing wrong here.

people with less than 100 posts lol. your comment is not worth a cent dude. who knows if you're multisex's alter nick ? yo know, mutilsex registered this nick but didn't use it for some reason.:321GFY , now log in to back his own ass up .

If you bought a script and it didnt work, would you expect to pay for it? ...

A verbal contract can and DOES stand in cases like this... Alot more often than not...

Where are your mssgs and emails asking for the things you asked for to be added in...?? Or complaints that the script isn't performing?? Most states would require you to allow the contract worker to make right on his end of the bargain... in this case the script.

No complaints or requests? oops. The judges ARE smart enough to want emails WITH full headers nowadays as well... not just some typed out page. :winkwink:

So it's Oops, pay the 200 and live with it. YOU made the deal without disclaimers and/or made no complaints it sounds like. It also sounds like someONE needs to have a 3rd party that understands bus-i-ness to make your deals. :Graucho

If a verbal contract CAN and DOES stand, then this whole thread is pointless. I promised him $200 and 5% of what the script earned. The script earned $0, and he got his $200 at the beginning of November. Your argument that I owe something was just shot down. Its not Ooops anything. The script was never finished plain and simple and he was paid anything you claim he was owed.

I don't see that as being logical on Alky's part. Would you do work with no guarantee of getting any %? And btw, you posting those stats, which are linked on your domain, and I will vouch for seeing them, seems to entitle Alky to 5% of $2139.55. Whether that is true or not, you made it fact by posting those stats.

Also, you saying you the site has made no money, and posting those stats, seems to make you a liar. So anyone would believe anyone but you.

Oh, and yes, the 5% doesn't total to even $200 ... it totals to $106 for this pay period.

Oh, MultiSexSite, did you send Alky the initial $200 like he said?

Cheers,
Matt

Take the advice of using a 3rd party to make your deals Multi... you missed the entore point...

Where is YOUR email and mssgs stating to him that things were NOT right?!?!

If YOU did not contact HIM then YOU are now defaulting. He was supposed to know there was a problem or problem/S by...

Osmosis... photosynthesis... Psychic abilities...???

So the courts would rule that you defaulted for not notifying the proper person or persons of the problems.

Oops.

I have dealt with verbal contracts for probably longer than you have been wearing long drawers and have been in the courts, both civil as well as small claims. Haven't lost a case yet btw... It pays to know HOW to do business BEFORE attempting it. :Graucho

There is a very simple set of rules both parties have to follow. He did his, but you defaulted when you didn't bring it to his attention that the thing didn't work... Now had YOu brought it to his attention, and he didn't fix the problem, then ALKY defaulted. Your court, you dropped the ball.

Try to buy a car from a neighbor and have it stall, don't pay for it because it didn't work right... guess who loses?! Same principle.

He was sent the $200 back in early November. He even said that. Why the fuck are you trying to act like I didnt?

I made what a fact by posting those stats? That I had that much worth of sales? Yes. That I owe Alky anything? No.

When did I say the site made no money dumbass? On November 30th, the site hadnt made any money. Check the ICQ log I posted.

ALKY is not owed a single fucking penny. You say I owe him money because we made a deal, does that mean he doesnt have to do his part of the deal? Thats ridiculous. I did everything I said I would. He didnt complete the script. I'm not the one in the wrong here.


Basically what you are saying is this:

If I buy 100 signups for my paysite from someone, I pay them half upfront, they send a few signups, then they start posting here that I owe them money, then I should pay them.

Your logic is bullshit.

Wait a fucking minute:

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I have dealt with verbal contracts for probably longer than you have been wearing long drawers and have been in the courts, both civil as well as small claims. Haven't lost a case yet btw... It pays to know HOW to do business BEFORE attempting it.

There is a very simple set of rules both parties have to follow. He did his, but you defaulted when you didn't bring it to his attention that the thing didn't work... Now had YOu brought it to his attention, and he didn't fix the problem, then ALKY defaulted. Your court, you dropped the ball.

Try to buy a car from a neighbor and have it stall, don't pay for it because it didn't work right... guess who loses?! Same principle.
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How do you know I didnt alert him to the problem with the script? YOU DONT. You dont know the full details of this transaction. Thats why you cant sit here and assume things.
He DID NOT do his. I clearly told him there was a problem. He told me he was drunk and would do it later. The next time I heard from him he was asking about how many sales I was getting.

I have a strange feeling this is gonna get real ugly . drama i love it:thumbsup

Bottom line is this:
I did not offer him 5% of my company.
I did not offer him 5% of ALL sales.
I did not offer him 5% of everything.

He was offered $200 for the script, plus 5% of sales recieved due to the script.

He accepted this offer.

This makes the verbal contract.

NOTE: I did not have this intention in mind when making this deal, I am simply responding with several valid reasons why in court I would not owe him this money, since everyone is not reading all the facts.

According to this contract, I am not "forced" to use his script. If I choose not to use the script and dont make any sales, he gets nothing. Nowhere in the agreement am I required to use the script.

But keep in mind that was not my intention. I fully intended to use the script. The problem was that it was a complete piece of crap script. There were many problems and he was made aware of them.

LIST OF PROBLEMS:

In my admin area, I dont know who has sent me sales, who I need to pay. This would result in no one getting paid.

Anyone could get 500 sales by clicking refresh on the "thanks for ordering" page.

Every month before the end of the month, I would have to go in and tell the script the name of the next month to be able to have it show up in stats. This is stupid.

The only stats affiliates could view would be total clicks sent and total sales sent. I needed daily stats.

If this should be dealt with in court then that is fine with me:

Oxford Online Marketing Inc.
548 Hathorn Road
Oxford, MS 38655

More than one us WILL assume you didn't tell him since you didn't trot it out in your defense with your other posts. :) Other than the subject below.

Telling someone under the influence works both ways and against you in this case... you accepted that he was 'drunk' so therefore couldn't effect the repairs immediately, but then you don't want to accept the fact he was drunk and there is a 50/50 or more chance he didn't remember you telling him there was a problem.

People don't sit down and read their ICQ histories every morning to see what they did or didn't say the night before.

And we have the right to assume since you want to defend your actions yet hold back the mention of your only evidence in your behalf?! Hmmm. One comment to a person in a drunken state wouldn't qualify for a legal notice I wouldn't bet.

If you didn't want to be cross-examined then you should have stayed out of the thread and dealt with him one on one. And then posted it was all resolved to your mutual satisfaction. :Graucho