all of the emails are from expired *full* month members (i don't use trials), so there wouldn't be anything to separate.

so what would be the easiest and most efficent way to send out around 350K emails to your expired members?

choose the subject line of the email carefully.

I'd make a special landing page for them. Since you already KNOW they like what you've got, but you also know that they cancelled, you'll need to sell 'em somehow. Make them feel like they have really missed out. I don't know how often you change your tour, but I definitely wouldn't want to send them to free samples identical to what they have seen before . . .

Fuck I dunno . . . Kimmy would probably know better than I but my gut feeling is that you might want to have someone design a whole new tour just for this. I mean, these people did cancel for a reason . . , they got bored with it. Otherwise they'd have come back by now . . .. surfers don't seem to forget their favorite sites. You run a quality site like I did so I am sure you have a lot of return members like I did. So a whole fresh new look might be just the hook you need. Hmmm, I seem to be rambling now, so I'll quit. :thumbsup

could always hook pimpdog up with a copy, and i can get them mailed for you :)

aint that a funny thought..

btw.. about 30-40% of those emails are dead.

i figured i'd lose quite a few in the translation. maybe i'll just forget about it for now. how well do you think it *might* convert on the addy's still alive? just curious...

lets say you mailed your site again..

You have a quality site.. 1:40 would be a piece of cake

350,000 x 35%= 227,500.
227,500 emails..figure 1 out of 20 ppl will click through.
11,375 goto your site and 1 out of 40 will signup.

275-300 sales :)

http://www.havenco.com comes pretty fucking close to being
untouchable :winkwink:

DynaMite

edit: wrong URL....sorry

They don't want spam either read ther terms, if you want spam hosting its very easy to find. I'll have to dig out my members list which i've never emailed and give it a shot.

Sammy

my ratio with sending emails is 1:120 with GOOD emails.

:thumbsup

I sit alone in my 4 cornered room, eating a wing dinner.

If you ask the post office they will cancel all unaddressed mail to you (least they do in canada) - then you only have to deal with addressed mail. If someone is willing to spend 50 cents to get me to throw their letter int he garbage I'm ok with that as the price makes it so people send only HIGHLY relevant mail regular spam to me.

email spam takes up almost an hour of my day, every day, and the VAST majority of it is totally irrelvant to me, like mortage or life insurance companies in the USA - it's impossible for me to use their services but I STILL have to waste my time deleting their messages. It cost them next to nothing to send me the message so they keep sending it even though I'm not even a rmotly possible customer. Then there's the porn companies that send porn to kids and grandmas. Every second spam I get tells me I opted in for it, BULLSHIT. the only real opt in list is a double opt in list and I never agree to those.

Spammers are bad. They are the reason Bush wants to crack down on porn. Email is almost impossible to use with the way spam is going. I really hope all spammers end up in Jail.

SO basically you're saying Quiet should risk having people get really pissed off, possibly report him to all kinds of watchdog agencies, maybe get hacked by a disgruntaled person, and deal with all the headaches of spam for what looks like about 3 days worth of sales at his level?

1 hour a day wasted on spam??? Umm you need some proper filters installed or you need to stop exadurating :)

And yes spammers are the main cause of heat on our industry, I mean how many state goveneurs and high up people are getting sent porn to there email box EVERY DAY!! Lots I bet and its attention this industry doesn' t need.

Sammy

since I can't really delete porn words from my email I havn't found any filters that really work, the spammers seem to always email from new and different address so banning specific email address doesn't work. I always have to go through the disgarded folder anyway looking for clients and such that got deleted by mistake.

I agree with Sleazy on this one.

To all you people whining about "oh walmart can chop down trees to send out ads and that's ok but you can't delete an email?"
I've never walked to my mailbox and received a flyer with a picture of a girl shitting on a guy's face, I've never received a catalog full of illegal inc*st or lol*ta pictures, and I've never had to explain to my kid what r*pe is because he saw it on a postcard.

If you have a true double opt in list with a one click opt out, that's fine. If you're mailing your expired members, that's fine to IMO....but to all you email harvesters and blatant spammers that send out this sick shit on a daily basis to lists that you damn well know have a good % of minors on it, I want to know, what do you do at night when I'm sleeping?

Sleazy, he can get a cheap host and email his customers
(who probably won't complain about him too much cause they were previeous members/customers of that site)

If he needs he could setup the adverts he sends his customers too on the spam (bullet proof server) and then it links to the join page of his own site. Nobody is going to care cause they were previeous members. I mean I installed real.com's player and they send me spam messages which I can't seem to unsubscribe from, with there software they even popup little prompts linking to some of there sites. Its ok as long as they were customers.
And the new USA telemarketing rules coming in soon say telemarketers can call you if you purchased a product or service with them within 12 months. So he is well within the rules and i'm sure he does enough $$$$ hosting his sites that his host shouldn't have an issue with it either.

btw you say 3 days worth of sales isn't worth it, Well yes but what if he emails that list every week, or perhaps once every 3 days or whatever. Not saying he should, but ummm why not isn't it free money??

Sammy

why not email the list every day? or twice a day? or every 10 mins? or every 5 mins?

Wake up fool, legislation is moving AGAINST spam, not for it.

I doubt spamming the list every week would produce the same results, the first time would make the most, less the second time, less after that and so on.

I'd say there probably laying in bed thinking "Thats 20 million emails that will be sent out while I sleep, thats another $2000 i'll make while I sleep and damn that ROCKS, they feel good and they sleep just fine"

Its funny how inpersonal the internet really is. It creates a barrier between you and the customer, I mean don't you think it impersonal that we talk about our site visitors as TRAFFIC, and how we talk about our customers as SIGNUPS, and our LOYAL customers as RECURRING!!!! Kinda funny when you think about it ;) But really, its so inpersonal spammers dont' care about whats on the other end of the email, they blast out the emails and then they check there signups the next day. If there signups are good they feel good and can sleep just fine.

I'm not a spammer but my sites all contain porn that 100,000's of kids have accessed from my sites since 1996 and I don't feel the slightest bit bad about that. Why I dunno, they just don't feel real and it probably hasn't hurt them anyways and i've got better things to worry about in life than that anyways.

Emailing kids is BAD, and there should be something setup to protect them from this email spamming of porn sites cause thats just really terrible to open an email have have a big black cock ramming up some girls ass right there infront of the kid of whatever age. I hope they work out some way of protecting them, perhaps they could register a kids email list that never gets sent porn or spam at all or something. who knows its a problem thats going to become huge over the next 2-3 years.

Sammy

hit me up on aim
screenname = egotistical

any RESPONSIBLE parent that doesn't want their kid to access my site simply puts adult blocks on the kids computer and presto - no more sleazydream. Spammers though design their emails specifically to get around this for some strange reason thinking kids are the ones who need to buy their porn site. That's the difference. A responsible parent's child would never see sleazydream, but that same kid would see a dozen porn spams in his email account.

people come looking for my site and WANT porn.
Spammer go looking for people who don't want to see porn.
that's the difference

Hrmm, yes I can see how that could become a real pain in the ass and take up a lot of time.

Arent there sites that offer programs for this?

I remember seeing a few that were like $20 for 2 mil optin or something, i dont know the first thing on emailing but wish i did.

Im sure theres a way to find people that dont mind recieving offers for porn, and if it was a cheap enough program, i would do it.

I see a few posts up about a guy wants $10,000 to do spamming??? OMFG!!!

Id pay like $50 tops to test conversions, if it didnt work id never try again, and if it costed anymore than that i wouldnt try it to begin with, lol

Anyone know of some cheap sites that have the lists and will do the emails for me ... and make sure they are dbl opt?

Well, I don't believe in harvester spam either. I was saying it was okay in quiets case. Which is past customers all adults obviously, and all like porn.

Which makes them even more okay than an opt in.

and Sleazy, an hour? Come on.

If a spammer send me just a penny for every time I had to decide whether or not to delete the message I'd make good money looking at spam and wouldn't have a problem with it. As it is they just rob me of about an HOUR a day.

some days are more than an hour. Try having your email on a site that gets traffic like mine - fucking spam bots pick it up like crazy. hundreds and hundreds of spams a day. If someone walks up to me at internext and tells me they're a spammer I'm likly to punch them.

as well as I know spam works. worked and will work. but the majority of spammers work with illegal content. this is the problem. bigger problem, than spam itself

I think

something is being setup,LAWS...People shouldnt have to go out of their way putting filters on their childrens email boxes for your spamming ass should they?... I purposely dont filter my email so I get spam,then I email the sponsor and tell them that if the account isnt termed I'll be outting them on GFY,hahahahahahaha etc etc for harvesting spammers ... Yup they probably just give the person a new account but I just inconvienced a spammers day :winkwink:

Sumed up nicely by sleazy,legislation is moving towards ending spam not supporting it

So True

Thats why now is the time to Act!

no one i know would do that... if you had lists already and they were good opt in lists that converted i could find someone to mail them for free... depending on the situation of course

we are talking about 275k emails here fatman, not 275million.. optin no less.. he would generate no more than 10-20 complaints to his host or even less... and the bandwidth he use, lol 70 terabytes.. his host will probably call him up and say that the complaints are great, and to keep them comming. In other words, he is to valuable of a customer to term over such a small amount of SPAM SPAM SPAM!
sleazy, stick to what you are somewhat good at, giving away free porn, and let the mailers that have a little bit better idea of what to expect offer the advice.

lol indeed

Ehhh you read the terms....it says it doesn't allow the good old
mail away spamming.....but it does allow opt-in spaming.

DynaMite

you need to define your terms,if something is opted in its not unsolicitied which means its not spam...

LOL yeah right......when was the last time that you checked your
email?

DynaMite

Good point, I guess the more popular your site is the more links you have and the more ways the spiders can find your email.

If I got to that point, I would consider letting everyone I cared about know my new email address and do it until I were sure most everyone had it and then stop downloading the old email.

quiet -

I would offer them a special introductory rate, or even free access to an area for a period of time (no credit card etc.), maybe even just 5-10 links to your galleries (not a full series, but from different sections).

Then, if the expired members that log in to the free area want to, they can sign up at the cheaper introductory rate of maybe 2 months for the price of 1 (or half-price).

Then, if they sign up for a membership send them a thank you email and ask them if there's anything they'd like to see. If they don't sign up after logging in to the free area (say their email login expires after 3 days), then send them another email and thank them for checking out your site again, and ask them why what more you could do for them to sign up, and also offer maybe an even better introductory rate? 3 months for the price of 1?

Just some ideas.. Contact me if you'd like...

Cheers,
Matt

Uhm? Was my suggestion bad or something? It feels as if no one ever replies to my advice. Am I transparent? Or do I simply give such good ideas that they whisk you away.... yeah.............

Cheers,
Matt

well, i was only interest in the logistics, and possible problems with sending out that kind of email volume.

i'm not looking for marketing advice :) anyway, 300 non-trial signups is not worth that kind of effort. that's not even 2 days worth of signups.

but all input is appreciated... thanks.

I believe p1mpdogg's calculations of 300 signups was off, simply for the reason that he didn't even calculate percentage properly.

Lets analyze the 350,000 from expired members.

Positives of the emails - We know for a fact that these folks have used their credit card, and asssume that they signed up because they liked your type of content.

Negatives to look at - These people cancelled for one reason or another.

Considering SE traffic will give you targetted keyword traffic, though not targetted for credit card users, ratios seem to vary from 1:100 to 1:200. I'd like to suggest that because your emails are targetted categorially as well as previously using their credit card, and even more so using their credit card on your site, that the ratio would be from 1:50 to 1:100. Of course there will be emails that no longer work, and possibly some chargebacks (?) mixed in there, but that is part of the 1:50 to 1:100 gap.

So assuming 1:50 to 1:100 signup ratio (throughout 2 mailings potentially, such as I suggested above) would bring 3500 to 7000 signups.

300 signups seems extremely low for 350,000 emails, especially since they are targetted, and previously have used credit cards to signup, and to your site.

Just my thoughts... Anyone want to hire me as a miracle man? I'm full of knowledge and intellectual speculation. ;)

Icq 129060301, email [email protected]

Cheers,
Matt

Not ALL people will READ the email, and from the people who do read it, not everyone will click to see his tour.

From the people who will click to see his tour, 1:80 will likely join.

Quiet, expect under 100 signups from such a mailing.

Nysus Pimpdog is a big spammer and probably knows his shit.
3500-7000 is WAY OFF.

firstly just cause you send 350,000 doesn't mean those emails are going to hit the persons inbox, filters block porn spam etc. Lots will be lost there, plus the list is going to have a certain % of delete and unused emails in there that need cleaning out. Then the emails that get past the filters will hit the inboxes and most of these customers will be recieving a shitload of spam already anyways so many will be lost as usual spam deletion, then others who find the email will not be interested anymore and will delete it. And so the others that then click on the link will goto the website and then you'll get your 1:100 ratios.

No idea what % would be left but its not going to be anywhere near 100%. I mean you spam out 100,000 emails your going to have something like a click ratio of 0.25-0.50, thats 500 or so people out of 100,000 emails.

Who knows what the results will be i'm only guess myself. I'll have to try emailing my members list soon and find out. :)

Sammy

Thanks for your replies.

In rsponse, I'd like to mention that I think there would be a higher click to the email itself, due to all the people receiving the email, will probably remember going to a site with quiet's site name, and so if the subject included it "News for Super Duper Sex Members! Since you cancelled your membership..."

and then continue in the email "Since you cancelled your membership, we have added hundreads of hours of various movies.." blah blah blah....

I now realize my calculations were off because I forgot the click ratio on viewing emails, and also to the site. An email could be made into an html page similar to quiet's site, which I think would have more higher clicks in itself... all that would have to be worked out though.

.... yeah.

Cheers,
Matt

Of course spamming works. Why do you think we all get so much of it every frickin day. I've fallen for some of those free business magazine subscriptions. Then you find out you have to fill in a survey a mile long that takes an hour of your time to complete to get the free mag.

Its all numbers. You can sell anything in this day and age. There are buyers for even the most stupidest of products and services.

Send a million e-mails out and even if you are selling dog shit to go I guarantee someone will place an order.

well quiet, if you are not going to mail them, sell them :)

hell if they're from a certain processor they are already out there a ton of times to hear people tell it...

Sleazy, darling, get a bigger delete key and get on with life :)

If you want a custom solution that you will be happy with for sending the emails I know some really smart coders that I trust (they coded the email software from scratch -- custom solution for some bigtime spammer) they would probably kiss ass to do biz with you... let me know ICQ#1622420 We will be in Vegas 2 :) ICQ#1622420

1/5 of 1 percent - that would be 1 in 500 conversion ratio for a "dumb" harvested mail list. I don't think so! You might get 1 in 5,000 to 1 in 50,000, maybe.

But I've never tried it. Keep in mind you'd not only have to send the spam from a banana republic, but also move your server there.

That is my biggest problem with people selling email lists - they forget to mention that if you use their product, you loose your server in 48 hours - not just the account you sent your spam from, but the web site mentioned in it too.

how do you find new clients then?

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maybe you'd like to sift through my email every day. they are stealing my time. I'd like to see every damn spammer put in jail.

I would like to see a CHARGE for all email use. a penny an email. it would stop 99% of all spam, and any spam I'd receive would be targeted to me and there'd probally have a high chance that I'd be interested in it.

Why the fuck should I have to delete 1000 mortage and life insurance applications a day that I can't even POSSIBLY EVER use? not to mention the porn ones..............