People who spend $150 on site design and ads wonder why their site isnt successful
 

People who spend $150 on site design and ads wonder why their site isnt successful

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i hate people like this. spend the bare minimum then bitch up a storm because they think they spent millions

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You get what you pay for.

I spend nothing.

We have several gay sites that we didnt even pay to get designed that convert way better than some of our professionally designed sites.

So you actually do not always get what you paid for $0.02

I think it's better when people spent a couple of grand on a project then are too retarded to make their money back.

or $350k :2 cents:

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That will be a special number forever and ever.

look i know some of you idiots are going to argue with me but thats what i expect from wannabe GFY users.

this isnt 1996 or even 01 now or even 05, this is 0 fucking 9, surfers are savy.

this i such a stupid comment, for your gay sites many factors are involved for conversions. maybe your gay site has more + better original content?

get the same site designed professionally then test both, compare and then come talk to me.

ive made plenty on sites that cost as little as an hour of my time.
keeping it simple always paid off for me. it is what made me think i could do this for a living. i saw sites like the hun, persian kitty, greenguy, and such. looked easy enough to me. found you needed a tiny bit more when i found avs sites design wise but again nothing complex or that required any real funds aside from buying the content.
yes i know damn well the sites i listed where right place, right time, high traffic megasites. i just figured it something could still be that successful and the owners did not spend more latter on to make it look better well after they could afford it that perhaps design can be sometimes overrated.

i just want fast loading, easy to navigate, straight to the point sites.

saw metas new post.
not as worried, as paysites can be slightly different creatures but still no need to pay large sums every time unless your trying to look super pro.

it sure will :1orglaugh

when your site reaches a certain level you are going to need a proper design to take it to the next level.

design doesnt mean being artistic, content placement and delivery is key. this sometimes requires graphical and sometimes it does not.

look there are alot of hack designers out there, you can ask around. alot of pages that look simple are actually super complex and it takes a seasoned webmaster to understand this.

you are going to see those sites eventually update, alot of tgps are still in the graveyard with design for some reason. yes those are/were working formulas but now people have improved on them.

you should be building a brand or at least appearing to be building a brand and the biggest thing in building a brand is very simple IMAGE.

Most designs only to please the webmasters' egos, not the surfers.

Define "professional design". If you mean fancy graphics then I hate to burst your bubble, but graphics don't sell worth shit. That's also why 99.99% of the designers are designers, because they themselves don't know how to sell worth shit.

Some sites work others Don't ... With and without spectacular expensive design. Move on to another project and wait...

Make yourself familiar with the Kano theory of attractive quality.
I would classify the design of a website as an excitement factor.
It adds to the overall satisfaction with the site if it has good design, but it does not necessarily create dissatisfaction if the design is basic and simple. :2 cents:

You can get a good design for 150.

Funny thing is, I have seen people spend thousands and do the same thing.

why dont you read the fucking thread before you respond and try to be mr know it all.

"design doesnt mean being artistic, content placement and delivery is key. this sometimes requires graphical and sometimes it does not."

good for you?

i have snake oil for sale for your friends.

FACT IS 99% of you idiots cant tell the difference anyway so i am preaching to the choir.

keep telling yourself that,

as more of you go broke in 09 come back and visit this thread and wonder why.

Thank you for setting me straight, Mr. Designer. I wish you the best of luck trying to get deadbeats to pay a premium for overrated design work in a downturn economy. God bless! :)

downturn economy for who? tgp webmasters with a 1999 design?

why dont you just admit you didnt read the thread before responding instead of trying to be mr know it all again.

"overrated design"? please point out a design of mine that is overrated? do you have the balls to admit you are wrong AGAIN.

Dude, pipe down. If I were you I'd shut my yap, because you're not doing that much more than a $5/h Filipino does. Which I suspect is the very reason why this thread was created in the first place, you're feeling the pinch from the low-cost competition.

Design doesn't sell, period. There are LOTS of things on a site that sell. Design isn't one of them, therefore design is overrated most of the time. The few times when it is not overrated is when it cost less than it would cost ME to create it myself, therefore the opportunity cost of making it myself dictates I should outsource it.

I'm sure you'll come back with a witty FACT and possibly an insult. Feel free to do so, you have my sympathy for being a designer. Best of luck.

1) I spend no money on my sites and I focus on clean, usable layouts with minimal graphical elements.

2) Metaman taught me how to pick up women.

you are the one piping up.

again prove to me how i am not doing much more than a $5/h filipino. yes this thread is filled with me asking for design work. you got me there. talking out of your ass yet again.

you called me overrated, prove it, again which work of mine is overrated?

design doesnt mean being fancy, it is a function of the site itself on how everything is delivered. where did i say it was the only factor? of course there are many factors.

"design doesnt sell" do you ever work with landing pages? how is it you can take a useless product and make it sell? hmm i wonder how DESIGN.

i dont need your sympathy the greatest thing about being quality is you are central of all information for multiple webmasters.

it's not about the eye-candy when it comes to making sales

this is EXACTLY how i design my layouts.

and i try my best! hehe

100% agreed

DamageX post some links to my overrated work that is the same as a $5/h filipino, id like to see what you think.



im guessing i am going to be sitting here for a longtime.

You don't get it. Which is exactly why whatever it is you do is not much more qualitative than what a $5/h Filipino does. You're a designer.

quoted for truth :thumbsup


I read earlier someone said something along these lines: "A good designer is a good businessman" with which I tend to agree. and no, I don't consider most used-car salesmen good businessmen.

My nutsack is so big if you throw me in a river I'll float.

Things got a bit feisty in here, eh? As for design, graphically no not important ALL the time. Clean code that loads fast and doesn't needlessly eat up server resources just because its a shit hack job? Yes. I've always felt simple, old-school-feeling designs that are very clean and easy to read and browse do best in porn, at least on the affiliate side. People are there for a reason, and don't give a shit about the design, so long as it doesn't look like a nightmare or like it might be loaded with viruses, etc..

I've seen sites that look like they were designed by Trig Palin with Windows Paint that convert like a mofo.

HAHA you talk out of your ass the entire thread, YOU dont get it.

what if i told you i just do not design? idiot.

I wouldn't believe you if you did. I'm not the one bitching about customers going to the competition, you are. :)

earlier in thread:

[QUOTE=MetaMan]
design doesnt mean being artistic, content placement and delivery is key. this sometimes requires graphical and sometimes it does not.
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[QUOTE=DamageX;16245630]Define "professional design". If you mean fancy graphics then I hate to burst your bubble/QUOTE]

DamageX chiming in before even reading

then why if you adjust even colors of placements of graphics on a page can your conversions drastically differ? (again DamageX talking out of his ass)

then how is it i launch my own campaigns and am the one who teaches my clients about sales?

so my clients who run million dollar companies are "deadbeats". "downturn economy" for who tgp webmasters like yourself who didnt adapt and are getting pinched?

again damageX talking out his ass.

im not doing "much more" but he cannot show me a comparison again talking out his ass.

thats why this thread has no links or contacts to my work. again talking out his ass. i must be feeling the "pinch"? ya that is why my clients come to me thanking me because 99% of the designers cannot hack a proper page together especially code wise.

is this guy for real? he is so sure of himself he says PERIOD.


since he seems to know so much about me i ask him to show me work that compares to a filipino designer again and again, he avoids the question and responds:

YA DAMAGEX... I DONT GET IT? YOU DONT GET IT, good job at making yourself look like a complete jackass.

Boy, you sure told me there. :)

yep i did, i am talking to people on icq about you, i guess you are another idiot who cant admit when they are wrong.

im done wasting my time with you. you have proven the level of idiocy you are capable of.

Design doesn't matter? So I can put a times new roman design up with a midi in the background that repeats "fuck minorities" and just says "click here to buy my stuff"

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That will sell the same as a professional website? Cool story bro.

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QUOTE OF THE YEAR!
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omg painful!

Well 1 out of 2 isn't bad... :2 cents:

so he calls my work overrated but cannot provide one example?

things that make you go HMMMMMM

That's a MARKETING issue, not a design one, dumbass.

you fucking idiot it has everything to do with design from font to choice of text on a page.

you are the biggest fucking idiot i have ever spoken to on here LITERALLY.