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Starting an Affiliate Program - CCBill or Epoch?
Any webmaster advice appreciated.
Does either provide better/easier tools? Does it matter, from an affiliate's standpoint? Thanks in advance! |
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only use the CCbill affiliate software. No cascading to other billing. None of my info on the sponsor's site. Further if you don't have hosted flvs then there is zero chance I will ever use your site. |
Really this is not even a question. CCBill by far.
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CCBill for sure.
And with the new admin and tools coming out soon, it will be even better |
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The majority of affiliates that make sales DO NOT use or need flvs, much less hosted flvs. BFT3K, it more or less depends on the type of sites. But in most cases go with CCBill. Fact is there are many more affiliates that use and trust CCBill. And every affiliate on earth has a ccbill account |
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btw, just signed up for your program like an hour ago and will add all 4 sites to my latest project in a bit :) |
CCbill from me
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Super. May the force be with you. :thumbsup |
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go with ccbill
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Okay, thanks everyone. Looks like CCBill is the clear winner!
Any advice about Epoch as a second biller, in a cascade? Is it worth the $750 per additional biller? |
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ccbill cascaded with segpay works great.
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they are both good companies and their rates are very similar
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Nothing against the other company you mentioned but I am a fond Ccbill supporter.
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CCBill for sure
better billing, better for affiliates |
CCBill has been good for us and using third party tools such as CCB Tools works well. Plus with CCBill you can always set Epoch on your cascading billing so it's a Win Win situation.
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ccbill :)
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True dude, no one would argue that. But I already have enough sponsors, I've been with some going on 10 years now. So why try a new sponsor unless they can offer me something exceptional. I mean, if I had your pay site banner up for 10 years then why would I take it down or move it to try something else? |
CCBILL Only :)
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Both are cool
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I think - Epoch :)
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We've been with both, we've had both as primary billers.
There's simply no comparison. CCBill is simply extraordinary. No BS, no runarounds, no excuses. I can't say the same for the competition. As for using CCBill as primary and cascading to Epoch or Segpay, that would probably be fine. However, if you are just starting out and don't have the volume to justify the extra Visa fee, it probably doesn't make sense to do that right now; a large % of the declines we're seeing are NSF from debit cards, and the other big % is basic declines (which usually means card over limit) so those customers aren't going to get approved on another biller's cascade anyway. In 6 months or a year when you have some volume, then it might make sense to go with an alternate biller in cascade. |
Go Epoch!!!!!
NO..... JUST JOKES!!!! CCBILL only! Epoch is only for those who want to lose all their affiliates because their backend sucks balls. I wonder how long it will be until I make ONE sale with SpookyCash since them moving from CCbill to Epoch.... just sayin. |
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But seriously, cascade billing is over rated. It doesn't increase sales by any serious amount. So for increasing sales it has minimal effects. <1% Now if you are larger and looking to spread your eggs out and rotate primary billers, then yah go for it. I am pretty sure you can even do that with CCBill's script. ie: run epoch as primary and ccbill second. |
I've been told that if a person joins a CCBill site, opting for a recurring billing option, but then cancels before any rebilling occurs, that CCBill's merchant bank will flag that person for committing a form of fraud. Then, whenever that person attempts to join another CCBill site, they will be rejected. With no secondary processor as a back-up, you will simply lose the sale.
Is there any truth to this, or is this misinformation? |
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i have countless members that join and cancel and join and cancel over years |
Why not use Nats + Paycom?
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primary ccbill, backup epoch :)
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I would also add: - hassle free administration (maybe I'm not a typical user since I used to be a geek) but I sure admire the software for its easy to get in interface and many practical functionalities that are easy to understand - hassle free support (only one single very much minor thing that ever happened and didn't affect the finance in any way) But yes, it's by far mainly a question of trust and guaranteed payouts. Theoretically you HAVE TO get better conversions and $ / 1000 uniques with a suitable cascade, but even then it's always good to have a ccbill option as an alternative. Although I don't understand it from the affiliate and common sense point of view, then again, if many fuck and fucked someone in the ass in the past, it's not that easy to reset the memory. |
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I know for sure that if you want to use the Epoch's affiliate back end (trimmed MPA3) you have to use Epoch as primary. Makes sense to me. |
i've been using CCBill for years, no problemo. In fact CCbill makes me feel warm & fuzzy that the site i'm signing up for is legit.
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Yup I agree with this. Just starting out there is no need to spend the extra $750 but as you traffic and number of sites grow then sure add a cascade via ccbill and you will see results. I'm thinking the next solo girl site I launch I will add the cascade option myself. I love ccbill and would never use anything else! :thumbsup |
I have been using CCBill for my affiliate program for years now and have never had any problems at all and the affiliates are very happy with it as CCBill is a name that you can trust and is also very well known. Not to say that Epoch is not a well known company but I say, your best bet is to go with CCBill. :thumbsup
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Taking off my program rep hat for a moment, and speaking 100% as an affiliate...
hands down CCBill. Quick reasons are trust factor, and ability to promote different sponsors without having to worry about meeting the minimum of each. Though you may be able to do that w/ Epoch, I don't know. |
wow, i didnt realize how popular ccbill became.
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Sorry for being slightly off topic but has anyone used Zombaio? Their way way lower fees are enticing. Plus the 0 dollar startup instead of 750.
Im trying to make some of the same decisions as the thread starter only im going to use NATS so not worried about the affiliate tracking part of the processors. Any thoughts? |
one more vote for ccbill
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I've been told that if a person joins a CCBill site, opting for a recurring billing option, but then cancels before any rebilling occurs, that CCBill's merchant bank will flag that person for committing a form of fraud. Then, whenever that person attempts to join another CCBill site, they will be rejected. With no secondary processor as a back-up, you will simply lose the sale.
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I would rather not pay $750 for another processor, but if I do add another biller they would have to work with my upcoming CCBill affiliate program, so Epoch and/or SegPay seem to be the only options. I will say this; around 3 weeks ago I removed a second billing option from my join page, based upon the recent credibility of that processor (not Epoch or SegPay). With ONLY CCBill on my join page, sales have dropped over 25% since then, with no other changes whatsoever, so it is easy to believe a second biller is important, but from the replies on this thread, that does not seem to be the case. Still a mystery regarding the past 3 weeks however, so I am left scratching my head. |
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you save a few pennies but risk losing 60% of your business |
ccbill was the xbiz winner 2 years in a row :)
great people over there, we dealt with them with the phx forum sponsorships over the past few months, ron, sherri, nick, amazing service oriented company do not know much about epoch, but why look elsewhere when you are dealing with such a high caliber company thats been the billing flagship for 10+ years? |
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If all experiences are great then it would be a tough decision not to try them out. |
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Furthermore all payments to affiliates are still made by CCBill. Pretty cool huh? |
I would say use CCBill as your primary and when you have enough business to justify adding another processor integrate one of the processors that CCBill will cascade to and give your affiliate the credit for the sale.
If you have any questions about running a CCBill program feel free to hit me up anytime, I am always online! |
Well I have an Epoch Program so maybe I am biased.
I don't see what is wrong with epoch at all? Honestly the only reason it might not be as good is because ccbill is just known better. epochs sales are equal to ccbills in my experience....after all the customer doesn't care. However, affiliates are obviously opinionated and so that is something to consider :) |
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