50 votes for ccbill :thumbsup

I'm not sure what's going on here and why Epoch is getting pissed on... the conversion ratio with Epoch is just as good as with ANY other billing company, and if you put a gun to my head I would say the retention is better.

When and why have people soured on Epoch???

no doubt epoch is in the top 2, just ccbill is first, primarily because they have a better system, and has had one for much much longer

their billing capabilities were never their downfall, it was their affiliate admin, tools, reports, etc etc,

ccbills has always been better

How uncanny is this, I am sure we have done exactly the same thing. And this is is exactly my story as well. Your rebills will be down as well.

This is an interesting thread because I posed the same question and was told that ccbill is more well known, but that I should use both and cascade from one to the other.
http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?p=...6#post15704976

Been using CCBill for 3 years now.

Never used them, but their name reminds me of
http://www.zombo.com/

If you don't have cascading, I don't understand why you say that rebills will be down. I assume it would be about the same rebill % overall.

Exactly what I thought. Another affiliates who can't afford to host his own stuff wants sponsors to host it for him. He's probably send 2 sales a moth if you add 2 scenes a day. LOL

I think you can see by the reaction that CCBILL is the clear winner. Is it worth 75 sales to have an additional biller? Only you know the answer to this.

No, there is no truth to this and it is exactly how you said it, misinformation. It really would not make any sense if a customer simply cancels to block them or flag them.

If I can clear anything else up for you please let me know.

paulk @ ccbill.com
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Thanks Paul! I'm not naming names (not a drama thread), but that is exactly what one of the reps, from one of the top 3 billers told me very recently. I almost fell for it!

are you really gonna take the words of the GFY crowd? how many of the people that supported CCBill in here even have a paysite? If your that interested in the court of GFY's opinion, do a search.

CCBill has the added advantage of a well known and trusted back end system for your affiliates to use, which means you can bypass the need for additional infrastructure. Epoch offers a similar system its just much newer and not as widely used, but at least its PHP and not crap slow java and isnt nearly as complicated!

i think both will waive the $750 fee if you ask very nicely.

Personally I'd go with Epoch, I've dealt with both for many years and if i had to choose one thats where id go, for reasons i wont post on a board.

hands down CCBill

Epoch was the worst choice I've ever made. We had them as our primary for years and then one of their support guys who we think is a stalker, hit us up demanding the uncensored IDs of two MILFs on one of our sites, claiming they looked young to him. He also demanded uncensored model releases.

They were pushing so hard for it and it come from some guy in support, not from anyone up the ladder, we denied his request and kindly asked they visit our place of records, have someone higher up the ladder contact us, or allow us to censor some information that someone could track the model with. Our account was terminated.

Now they are cleverly trying to wrap it around communication problems with us and avoiding any issue at all, literally avoiding it, any questions of the IDs or their possible stalker in support. After we pulled the site in question, they STILL wanted the IDs. Too spooky for us. Look to me like they have a problem over there.

So unless you want to violate your models privacy and possibly put them in danger from a deranged employee from Epoch, I would not use them.

we won't list epoch programs (as we have listed 100% of all ccbill programs), before this issue will be resolved http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=937677

They don't give a shit about their customers daizzzy.

Wow, this is an old thread! I'm surprised it was bumped.

I went the CCBill route in the end by the way. I am still working on all aspects...

http://www.PeckerPass.com/AffiliateJoinPage.html

I will have much more up soon!

epochs sucks balls.

They scrub a little hard, but they are solid.

Yes they do. Big sweaty Mexican balls.

Nats or mpa3 and zombaio. Don't be a pussy, these guys look legit.

Well, since this post is back to the top again, where do you guys stand on SegPay as a second biller, working in conjunction with a primary CCBill affiliate program?

I swtiched to CCBill 2003 after the GloBill disaster and I am very happy with their service.
Use Epoch as secondary processor!

Is this true? Has anybody else ever had the $750 Visa fee waived?
Thanks!

Bottom line epoch converts double as well as ccbill. So do the math from there.
Duke

Segpay converts just as good as epoch.
Segpay is great. If you had to choose between two 3rd party billers it would be Segpay and Epoch. CCbill is good, dont get me wrong. You will see more through put with Seg and Epoch. I can you show you my stats to prove it too as you are only across the street.
Duke

Thanks for the feedback.

I should have SegPay up and running sometime this week.

They are reviewing my sites for compliance as we speak.

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http://www.slidism.org/shop.html

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