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Let me be very clear
This community must have folks who have come up with evil/nasty/vicious ways of dealing with the tubes Lets keep this an in-house thing, and figure out how to deal some death blows To do that, we need to create ideas. Then certain people I know will put the better plans into action Fuck the pricks who are killing our industry by giving away free content Fuck the bastards who make money from the tubes Enough already! There is a gargantuan amount of people out there who want porn. And if their only way of getting good quality porn is to pay for it. They will "WE" have to do something about this, as no one else will. This industry wont get a bail out This industry wont get fuck all protection from anyone So - if you have good ideas - at least sign up for an anonymous sig and drop your idea or ICQ me (92462894) and tell me the idea and I wil post it up for you |
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Oh - and let me be clear
I am only talking about Tube sites that obviously trade and profit from other peoples content. If you want to give your content away, with your own Tube system then all power to you Last night I spoke to four of my friends (who aren't in the biz) by phone and asked them where they get their porn. They all said they cruise tube sites and they are so happy coz they don't have to pull out a credit card anymore. Three of them already have active memberships at dating sites and none of them wanted to use a cam site (unless it was free). I then asked them if they used Peer to Peer networks, and two said they had but the content was always the same. Apparently the tubes update so well in their opinions. And then I asked them about Torrents. Only one of my friends had tried using torrents, and he said it was hard for him to set up and he was always worried that he would get in trouble having the software on his computer, and his wife would catch him out. Accessing free porn via the tubes was so much easier and there was no danger from the wife or possibly even getting viruses |
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Unless you have a specific plan that doesn't require a million dollars to beat down a few sites, please let us know |
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How about creating a tube site that just iframes other tube sites' videos, wasting their bandwidth, like this guy is doing...
http://www.adulttube.info/s.php?q=a&x=43&y=18&vsid=18 |
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The problem is not newhardcoreporntube.com with no traffic, the problem is youporn - 35 in Alexa Top100, redtube - 49 in Alexa and pornhub - 138. |
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Conglomerate of webmasters who, together, hire a team of off-shore hackers to make life miserable for the tube sites and their hosts? You asked for brain-storming, there you go. Someone find a way to turn those ideas into something that will actually work and won't get me arrested and let me know where to send my check. :-) |
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So we're left with the profit angle. We need to realise Tubes don't exist to give away content, they exist to sell and make a profit. Traffic and free porn has to be paid for by dating, web cams and up sells to sites. The sites are probably bearing the cost of the Tubes with Dating and Web cams up sells. So we need to get away from the model of a paysite just being a place to download videos. We need to target the surfers on Tubes who are paying the bills of Tube sites. The guys buying Dating and Web Cams. Put live shows, live web cam girls and dating sites inside the members area. Do it for free and sell a 1-1 web cam for a price the people who buy this service will never buy it from a site that has to charge them enough to support the Tubes and their 1,000s who will never spend a penny. Live web cam girls here in CZ are earning 20 to 40 Euros a day. Having round the clock girls would cost a site 100 Euros a day 3,000 a month. A big site can afford it and the small sites needs to club together and share a girl. The up sells will pay for it, but upsell for 1/3 of what the normal ones cost. Remember there is no affiliate payments to drive thousands of surfers for a few to buy. The cost/profit is between the company running the girls, the girl and the paysite. The paysite affiliates will appreciate the extra bonus to sell to his surfers. Does it work? After two weeks of testing it on my site I'm about to tell the affiliates and get them to push it hard. It's working. |
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So far we've had 2 legal solutions that will never get off the ground. No one with the money will take on the tubes in court time after time so the rest of us benefit and we won't help. The Germans have a law about selling to under age people and it does not work. Waiting for congress to block sites is not going to work either. As long as someone can make a buck running a Tube site they will exist and legal or not they will take customers. So the solution is to make them unprofitable. I'm about to go into the most horrendous chapter of my life and I'm doing something. Who here is prepared to do the same and see if it works better than the to ideas we've had so far? Try to take the profits out of Tubes, send traffic to sites trying to do it and see if it works. One site doing it will not work, 1,000 will. 1 affiliate supporting the move will not do it, 10,000 supporting it will. We need to get the 1 person in 500 who goes to a Tube site to think we have a better deal for him. Move that guy and the BW bill will kill Tubes. 499 free loaders are an expense not an asset. |
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I once went up against a website legally It was owned by a US corporation That corporation was owned by an offshore trust That trust was further owned by another offshore entity The legal bills to just get rolling were so high I had to give up Can you explain to me how you can tackle multiple websites legally without putting up a major bank roll? |
You guys are SOO fucking out of the loop when it comes to "illegal" tubes just stfu about it.
Hackers don't give a fuck about stopping free porn. rofl. Unless you are already involved in the "hacker" community and are actually respected.. and when I say respected I mean the equivalent to Eric on GFY. Don't go fucking talking to hackers about anything like this. They will attack YOU instead. The people who run the tubes are a lot more respected then some jackass trying to make $1000 a month spamming porn on the web. |
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Aint no bleeding what don't got blood. Aint no killing the undead.
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It used to be more annoying to watch free porn. *shrug* I'd like to talk to the hacker that wants to be known for taking down xvideos or tube8 or redtube. He's got balls. |
Fuck 3 minute edit... So lets say the site gets hacked.. It will be back online the next day.. Next month, whatever it will be back.. Can't keep attacking it for the rest of your life.. :1orglaugh
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Libertine says lets get the courts and government involved.
That is really what needs to happen. The government needs to take piracy more seriously. They need to shut sites, hosts, isps down for pirated content and this needs to happen world wide. They need to treat anyone that hosts or runs a site with pirated content like they would a cocaine or heroin dealer. Go in and fucking shut the crack house down. :1orglaugh but.. this would never happen.. :( Edit: Oh and some of these "illegal" tube sites are completely legal. |
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Forums with rapidshare links have a constant number of 20,000 online users at every hour of the day... Thats 20 times the number of online users GFY has... And I'm talking about hundreds of forums! Anyway, webmasters are NEVER going to see the real picture here. I'm totally convinced by now. Even if you hit them in the head with a hammer, they are NEVER going to understand the problem. The ruined adult biz has no solution. Webmasters are self-destructive. |
Another way to look at this is to view it as an evolutionary challenge. How can the static online content publishing world monetize piracy--one possible approach: focus on interactivity. Use the stuff being stolen to brand the site. On the site, sell stuff that can't be stolen--interactivity or time-specific stuff or custom stuff.
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torrents were never so developed as they are today... and they will become even bigger, more developed and faster. the number of world seeds, increase exponentially, day after day... Most webmasters should think abot moving on to another business. |
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and sigwhores running design companies praise and suck up to the hosting companies that host those tube sites it just goes on and on many of these people don't give a fuck about the industry and want to grab whatever they can while they can |
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so far all the precedents have happened on the side of the tube site owners. |
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The "protect the children" angle, on the other hand, could be very productive. If some of the major porn brands teamed up to push that into the media, things would change in a matter of months. Still... it won't happen, mainly because most adult companies are deathly afraid of the government. |
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i wish torrents will win and idiots that who supports gov control will suck hairy donkey balls. |
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it's just more and more free give away, nothing more; if You do that then they will be selling pills, viagra, fleshlight and what so ever, if not, it will be something differant. |
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Dating in Adult, doesn't mean DATING... Real dating is match.com... Not these shitty sites like fling... that is FULL of FAKE Profiles... How long do you think before a member cancels his suscription to fling and _NEVER comes back.. when he sees that all those FAKE profiles are just bullshit... he will go to sites like match.com... Cams.. i still dont understand how a stupid person can waste 100 bucks in a pixelated cam, when he can get a real hooker for that... its just stupid... I really hope surfers wake up.. anyway, cams never converted for me... I even got signups in paysites when i did cams niche sites... |
You can't kill rock 'n roll. we're here to stay.
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We hire a big law firm and start a law suit against 1 big tube at the time. Layer will do the work we pay. mabey we will even winn a case what do i know and that will need to pay us. |
Torrents have been around for years and they aren't going anywhere. Tube sites will only be affected if government steps in. I think companies should work with tubes to create a better business relationship, such as what nublies is doing.
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ddos them all. can't be that hard
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Two words: Monkey Livers
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Why don't we make a tube bot and everyone on GFY and everyone that works for us, with us can run it 24x7 and it'll endlessly download and click on their advertising banners on their sites so
#1. their hosting will bottom out, possibly ring up a bill #2. their blacklabelads / etc will have horrible ratios and force them out of the game / convince sponsors they are cheats since we click from same IPs 1000s of times If we get like 10,000 computers runing 'Tube Killer' when you're not using your computer(s) we could probably cripple a few? Maybe that idea is out of date since bandwidth is essentially free... |
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1. Most web hosting companies have it spelled out in their TOS in regards to copyright ownership, the process, and removing offenders.
2. You do not need laws changed for piracy. You could use expansion, and need enforcement of 2257. That is the solution to your problem. Regardless of off shore hosting. A lot, not all, of the biggest tubes are owned by U.S. companies. Once the FBI or whatever acronym starts knocking the dicks in of tube site owners who do not have 2257 docs, they can compound the charges with copyright infringement. While the tube model in some shape or form may be here to stay. Tubes with stolen or illegal content are not going to have licenses, or 2257 docs to cover their asses. I do not care what closes them down. Jail for 2257 or copyright. But there are already things in place to close them if you really wanted to. However, most of this board I see crying in their beer do nothing to stop it, and the others constantly, daily, posting these threads from what I can tell do not.... 1. Own content. 2. Produce content. 3. Have never run pay sites. 4. Do not have the first clue on 2257, DMCA, how it works and what is required. So basically,... they have no fucking clue what they are talking about and just enjoy getting people worked up over the same tired bullshit on a daily basis over some shit that could be handled to some degree with a few forms, phone calls, or annoymous tips to law enforcement of your choice. :2 cents: |
1) Hosts protect tubes.
2) Using law and government is not going to do anything the tube sites have too many legal loop holes. 3) xxxjay made a thread the other week and he owns content. |
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