just curious???
 

what is worse

many questions

Spam
TGP's
Or just plain Porn on the internet

I notice how people think selling porn is ok but they are against spam or TGp's or whatever else

Why are people against spam but not all the other tactics to get traffic?

I guess what I'm asking is.
how do you set your morals to what is right and what is wrong in this business as far as marketing goes and why?

Personally I think anything goes as long as Under age kids can't see porn without parental supervision.

you spam, so why dont you tell us?

thats what some ppl would call cartooney :Graucho

spam in ur mail is paid by the sender whereas email spam is paid for by the recipient, totally different

most adult spammers are dumber than mainstream yes they dont have working remove links dont check their lists for dupes dont really give a fuck thats why they run into problems

but plenty of mainstream spammers think they can get away with it too

theres a big difference between legal and moral and uce is illegal if it falls within certain categories depending on the state. so some kinds of spam are illegal, some are just immoral.

:thumbsup

From what I see, Pornkings now is hosting Pimpdogs paysites?

hehehe

I love it!

then why is it easier for me to opt out of adult spam then mainstream spam.

And since its not adult its ok?

ahh here we go.. more of fletchxxx bullshit..

why do you have to instigate so much shit? All you do is try and rat people out all the time, or catch a loop hole or try and dig for shit that really isnt even there. Roger already said in the other thread the relationship between him and myself.. which is nothing. I host with the same host he is at, so we are buddies? get real fletch.. smoke another bowl and hack up some more galleries.

Like I said you got no balls cause you can't answer the question
you have to answer it with a question.

also we have double opt in mail if you call that spam then fine.

No one can answer this question?

I guess most people are just followers in the industry

How do you as a webmaster determine what is right and what is wrong to do?

I remember when i wasn't sure if I should get into this business because of the bad stigma attached to it.

Pimodog.

Im drunk.

Not starting shit.

I think its cool that roger lifted your sites for you./

not here to start shit man.

just drunk.

trust me, i is done fucking with you.

just dropping a little satan in the threads.

:glugglug

to me,spam is sending out general mails to general people,hitting the WRONG people(kids)...Targetted mails,even if they arent opted in,I dont worry about as much...but most spammers just send out millions and millions to anybody,hitting mostly kids...thats the only problem I have... So in saying that,if you dont know 100% of your email addreses are adults,you need to stop because you are to blame when the government inches closer and closer....

thats kewl fletch xxx don't fuck this thread up pimpdog.
its not a battle thread. LOL

I'm not here to talk shit ever just get some insight and make new relationships

I want to know why people look so down on spam or TGp's very simple.

I get spammed all day long and we send out our double opt in list.
who cares thats not the question

I want to know why do people look down on certain marketing tactics and why?

seriouusly

i missed that.. i thought he said he was.

nevermind.

fucking corona is winning again.

damnit.

Roger? Are we feeling a bit feisty tonight or what?

ever since pimpdog squared with amp, i got nothing to say.

he never did shit to me hehehe i dont care how much he spams... just dont spam with my affil codes hehehe
;) we had our run in... tis cool nah...

:gluglgu

A TGP the user chooses to visit

Spam the user doesnt not choose to recieve... Spam is not double opt in

Spam is not discriminate in that spammers will send porn advertisiments unknowningly to children

Im moving on to bigger and better things now days... I just get tired of inuendos and false accusations just cause i used to send out a few emails every once inawhile :)

its all good now, life is great.

Not at all you know me. I'm a lover not a fighter

Just want to know why people think certain ways and why.

But I do get a little pissed when people attack me on the board without knowing me.
I don't know how many times I need to say don't burn your bridges in this biz. because one day you will cross me or anyone else.

I've also learned the past 7 years when people talk shit they don't have anything so it really doesn't bother me.

It can't get worse than being called a tadpole:winkwink:

It's purely a conscience thing with me. If I get an idea to do something business-wise, and I start to feel a something wrong about it in a moral sense, I don't do it. That's about it.

It's like if I'm walking through a store and see some merchandise on the floor, if I give it a second thought I go and put it back on the shelf. Otherwise I wouldn't have done what my conscience told me was right, lol. :1orglaugh


Jak

Ya know, my grandfather is sick now, and everytime you make that rweference I think of him.

while you think its bad, when I was gropwing up, now i miss that... one day youll have no clue how i miss that man.

:glugglug

u think we're retarded? last thread i was gonna let it go cuz roger explained that he did host or whatever 4 u, but i dunno why u insist on lying about it. doesnt exactly take a genius to see that he does at least NS for ya.

but back 2 the point

roger there is no difference between adult and non-adult uce, except that many adult spammers feel that they can throw dialers and other shit on chinese hosts and they dont need to manage lists properly. sounds like the adult spam u get they are more concerned with complaints so they have working opt outs but that is not my experience.

plenty of mortgage/lender/hgh sponsors have broken removes 4 me but typically the pro mainstream places (if u can call ppl who buy 5-mil-emails-on-a-CD pro) do make an effort 2 curb complaints.

uce is uce, its illegal if u do it wrong, and will soon probably be illegal in most areas. if its illegal its not a good idea 2 do it, as im sure CEN or other ralsky et al can tell u. if its spamming usenet or something and u dont care about the flames its just scummy its not illegal.

anything done professionally and in moderation can be okay even if its borderline scummy.

:2 cents:

I agree but if the spam doesn't show anything
is it ok since all they need to do is delete?

Or is spam just wrong period

then why is tgp's ok since the under age can choose to see it.

the difference is that spam costs the recipients money as i said

it costs the ISP/host/mail service money to filter/deny/block/recieve UCE so tahts where it gets sticky

direct phone/mailers pay for ur info and it costs them to call/send u mail. just like tv and radio ads cost money. u have no choice but to see uce, and ur host pays to deliver it, the spammer pays nothing 2 send it other than whatever minimal expenses (some ppl mail off their home dialups and broadband)

if bulk mailers paid to send it there wouldnt be half the hatred out there for spammers

:helpme

that is a weak argument.

subject "hey its me"

email body "hot stinky hahahahas getting pounded by big black cock,click here"

two things wrong with that,decieving the adult to opening it...Number two,decieving the kid to opening it and THEN seeing the descriptive email body.....cant guarantee your list are 99% child free?,you dont need to be hitting send

plus all the chatroom spam for all the different services,thats not asked for at all..thats just disruptive as hell

spam.

and you have to go and SEARCH out for tgp's,they dont get delivered to your email box...Theres nothing wrong with tgp's when it comes to that...Sure there is children surfing the site but you didnt force them to come,they had ot have been on soemthing adult in the first place...

lol

its one of the central arguments that has criminalized uce in many states in the us.

oh wait i forgot ur a cartooney too :(

just got 2 more stock scam spams rite as i was posting this

:thumbsup

Ok so its bad to send spam out but its ok to show under age kids porn if they choose to see it?

so its ok to spam if there is no way for under age kids to see anything?


so I guess we need to define averything?

Good point:thumbsup

So I guess its how the webmasters use deceptive marketing tactics to get people to click.
that determines what is wrong.

The point is, dickblast..
That you have to adjust with the times. Spam will never go away. It has jumped up 50% from last year.. and that is a HUGE increase when it comes to statistics.

Lets say for example:
The state just made a new law that if your car emits to much smog, you need to buy this part for the car to get the vehicles emissions within guidelines. You have no choice right? You have to adjust to the times.

The same thing can be said for spam/uce/bulk/etc..

The only reason ppl cry about it so much is that it affects them personally and is annoying, but they could give a shit if someone else gets annoyed with spam, just aslong as they dont. Thats what is weak about your argument. If you dont see the relationship between this post, and your last post comparing costs with spamming/and telemarketing etc.. then you are an idiot.

So if you hate spam, then YOU must adjust with the times and do what is necessary to block, filter it, stop it.. Just the other day AMP said he has some software that stops all spam!!!!! So dont act like you are powerless over it, and that spammers are ruining everything. If you fucks were not so lazy to try and stop it, then you deserve everything you get.

Thats funny because thats what everyone tells me about TGP's (adjust with it)and so thats what I'm doing.

Like I stated before I think anything goes as long as children don't have access to porn unless they have parental supervision.
its up to your parents to decide if there children are mature enough or how they want to raise them no one else.

I'm just wondering why people are so against spam.
but from what I gather here is they arn't if under age kids don't see it.

But then I ask myself why don't TGP's get as much heat from webmasters as spam does?

It's all good as long as the signups roll in.

and thats the bottom line.. cash.
aslong as noone gets hurt, and laws are not broken.

LOL I guess that would be the majority consensus with most webmasters
from what I gather off the console poll

Thats what I don't get why webmasters talk shit about spammers
spam,tgp's,exits consoles are all forms of marketing.
and they all have some form of bad stigma attached to them.

But why is one worse than the other?

I see so many people jump on this your a spammer wagon
but no one can answer my question?

1st comment is correct
2nd comment is because TGP's dont come to you,you go to tgp's...A kid isnt sitting on AOL and all of a sudden have a tgo pop up on his screen UNLESS he was looking for porn...but that same kid could be in a chat room with his little buddies and get hit with a dozen descriptive ass emails...there is a big difference in TGP's and spam when it comes to children viewing

TCG,CEN ...they got hurt somewhat didnt they? and liek you said,times will change and it wont be as easy for people to spam...There will still be big spammers but there wont be the guy sitting in his parents basement getting a few signups a day...
Laws will come into effect sooner or later,bet on that

What is the difference?

so then search engines are bad if kids are looking for freeporn and land on a tgp?

Its not ok for kids to see porn on a TGP thats why parents should supervise kids... in that case the kids have caused an action that has result them in seeing porn

Whereas with spam the kids have done nothing and they are getting spam push in front of them... and its not fair to parents to have to filter out porn pushed to them...

there are different responsibilities between a TGP and SPAM

SPAM is a push

Yep and the laws won't just be for spam:Graucho

Why do you think all these new visa regs. are being implemented
its for deceptive marketing tactics
and soon they will go after the free shit.

this way they cut the tree off at the roots going after the sponsors or paysite owners.

Tgp's are visited by people who want to see them. I'm guessing they'll have to fix up and put up the warning pages someday soon so they don't get in trouble. But, porn spam is bad no matter if it migt or might not get seen by a kid. Some people find porn offensive. Just because it's on the internet doesn't mean we should be able to shove it in their faces. I would be all for a 'porn only' internet, where all the porn sites had to be on a certain .xxx or whatever.. and you'd have to have a .xxx email address to get porn spam.

Everyone bitches about the government stepping in, well they'd do the same thing if the local adult video store went around and put doorhangers on people's doors advertising 'tight hahahahas getting rammed by huge cocks'. There's no difference between that and porn spam.

Opt out my fricken ass.. I never opted in, I shouldn't have to fricken opt out!!

Yeah, I've been getting too much fucking spam lately.

these are weak arguments you guys.

gotta give me something better.

So you hate spam because its a push? but showing under age kids porn is ok if there buddy told them were to go?

Kids don't need a push they will find it no matter what.
When was your first time looking at porn? did someone make you look at a playboy or panthouse?

Still no answer from the webmasters who are pro TGP and against spam?

like I asked before why do you think spam is bad but TGP's are ok.
and why do spammers catch so much shit on gfy but TGp owners don't?

hmmm maybe its your ethics that are weak

ethics?!?!

hahaha

yes is was said with tounge firmly pressed into the side of my cheek (mouth cheek that is...)

Hey Porn Kings so would you cancel an affiliates account because they were spamming?

what are you talking about? what you just said was weak.
what do you do in this biz i bet I no many people who will disagree with what you dobut is it wrong?

Damn i'm dissapointed
all these spam haters yet ehy don't know why.

just trying to figure out why one decides one thing is better then the other.

I would understand if one hated spammers and tgp's and deceptive marketing tactics.

But some people think one thing is ok but another is not.
crazy

never said i hated spam.... just trying define why one would choose not to spam

I have begun to blame bad parenting for EVERYTHING.
(re kids surfing the net unattended)

Parents really need to think about the example they are setting nowdays.

I have a 15 year old cousin who was sent away today, to a reformatory school hundreds of miles away... for several months, because she is a result of BAD PARENTING.

If there was god, he would do something about unqualified parents.

BTW i can see your point on this.... its like how many shades of grey is a TGP away from being unethical

booya

LOL.. if you people knew who the spammers were.. nevermind, I've said to much.