This Russian hostage situation...
 

Has anyone been following this story? It's crazy... I want opinions on how it will end.

I just finished reading Tom Clancy's Rainbox Six and I keep expecting them to bust into the theater and double tap the Chechans in the head.

Muslims are the root of evil..

I think the Russian police should just have rushed in at the start and sorted it out before the terrorists had a chance to secure(mine) the building. Russians are getting soft!

It is a horrible situation and could easily happen in the US... I don't know why the sniper is still the major headline.

Why does everyone believe there's hosting in russia?

Jeez!

Everyone hotlinks and uses free hosts over there!

Putin said he is going to retrieve its troops from Chechnya, they already released or were thinking of releasing citizens of Ukraine. Man this is going to get really ugly

If there was a catastrophic event in Europe like a nuclear devastation, CNN would still be talking about the sniper. It's been like that forever. Like the terrorist attack in Bali that killed nearly 200 people, well, I was treated like boring news here.

The sad truth is no one cares about hostages in Russia. Most people think that those types of things happen over there often.

What the russians SHOULD do, is pick up around 500 chechen muslim scum, kids included, strap some dynamite on them, and blow them up too.
An eye for an eye.

Seriously, they'll NEVER be able to storm that theater.
The whole place is rigged with explosives, hostages have explosives taped to them, and they have placed ALOT of it in the chairs of the theatre.
Well, they CAN storm it, but it's just gonna be a total nightmare.

I like the US policy of not giving in to terrorists. The russians already gave into them at that hospital, where the chechens took over 2000 people hostage, and now see where it got them....

seriously, the media is retarded
it's too subjective and it really shouldn't be
they know the sniper story will garner more interest because it's closer to home.

Hell yeah
:thumbsup

the us would have given into this terrorist situation. it's a lose-lose situation. the russians will most likely pull out, but they'll be back on a few days/weeks/months.
if they don't, 500 of their citizens will die, and that's just something they won't allow.
or maybe they'll pull out and the the hostages will be killed anyways?
at the very least, the chechans are going to die

CNN USA knows what sells in the US. Simple as that. Though the US is a great country, a GOOD portion of its citizens have NO idea what goes on in the rest of the world.

Ever see Jay Leno's "Jaywalking"?
That about sums it up.

That's why most Americans don't watch CNN, but if you can't get satalite systems where you're from you have no choice.

You pretty much have to watch what you government will allow ;)

The Chechens may be given safe passage out of Russia, it has happened before. But like I said, it only encourages MORE terrorism to come.

Though I seriously doubt this will have a peaceful ending, as the Chechen muslim bastards have said they have come there to die, and they call themselves the "29th suicide squad" or some shit like that.

typical prejudiced american bullshit. get a mind of your own instead of being a fuckin' sheep.

are they scum because they're chechnian or muslim?
do you know anything about the history of chechnya?
this has nothing whatsoever to do with what religion they practice.

If they actually pull out of Chechnya, it will show as a sign of weakness, they'll never allow themselves to be bossed around or threathened in this way. ( I hope so, for their own sake... )

Its a bit ironic that a few days ago Russia told the US they didn't want America to attack Iraq right away. Now Muslims piss off Russia. Its different Muslims mind you, but I bet Russia is more likely to crack down on thes terrorists now.

You mean there's something across the water and below Cancun?

Tough situation. Its hard to negotiate with a muslim extremist because they don't value their own life. The bad thing is, the longer it goes on, they will waste more hostages.

If it gets to that point, might be best just to drop a bomb on the place to let the people die a quick death. Rather than get their head cut off or some shit.

Then launch full millitary offensive against those fuckers.

I am not an american.

Yes, it has very much to do with their religion / culture.
Muslims have a tendency of pulling off shit like this, if you havent noticed, you are either blind or retarded.

You see all the hate building up around in the western world towards muslims? You notice the right-wing wave across europe?
9/11 was just a spark.
What we are witnessing, is the clash of the worlds...

I have a few things to say:

#1 (If you're white) Go to Iraq. Walk around. You'll be dead in an hour if you're without protection.

#2 Go to Iran, same thing.

#3 Go to "Palestine". Same Thing.

There are good muslims, there are bad muslims. But the saying is true: A bad apple spoils the bunch. The majority of these international hijacking and hostage situations have involved Muslim extremists.

They spoiled it, they fucked their society due to their half-assed beliefs about a fuckhead deity named Allah. If I ever met this god (or any if they exist), I'd spit in his eye before I bow to him.


As for the Jaywalking comment: we should send all the dumb, unproductive people to work in factories producing crude parts such as steel, wheels, etc.

Fuck the weak, fuck the ignorant, and fuck the bad apples.

if you're not american, then don't act like one.
judging a whole religion based on the actions of a few of them is prejudiced and typically american.
ever hear of the crusades? go look that up and read what it was all about. you'll be mighty shocked.
when Jacques Cartier came to what is now Quebec, his primary goal was to convert Native Americans into Christians. Does who weren't interested in converting were brutally murdered.
Nazis are christians and they've killed millions of jews and other people.
The chinese and russian governments were composed of atheists and they killed tens of millions of people in their own countries.

Look at the dude who did the Oklahoma City bombings. He was American. The people at Waco were American. The sniper was born and bred american and is even an army veteran. Sure, he converted to Islam. But look at all the other serial killers who came before him. How many of them were Muslim?

Catholics are scum as well. They're bad today but at least they don't hold as much power than they did before 10/31/1517.

What do you want me to act like? A Canadian?

Muslims are a threath to western civilization, simple as that.
They need to be dealt with, they are growing an insane rate.
They are among us, and they want to take over. One day they will, if we do not stop them.
Here in Europe, they are growing so fast it is sickening.
It's like a fucking muslim MLM scheme, in 20 years these fuckers will have ALOT of power.

And yes, religious fanatics are pretty much all scum, it can be on the christian side as well.

holy shit. if you really feel that way, grab a whole bunch of your friends, get them all together and take out all these muslim bastards.

if you're a canadian, you're a disgrace to our country.

like i said earlier, religious fanaticism has nothing to do with this hostage taking situation. neither does it have anything to do with the situation in chechnya.

go read up on the situation in chechnya and then come back.

No I am not a Canadian.
I bet you are the pride of Canada though..

There is just no reasoning with musling-huggers like yourself, you'll be on the train to the KZ-camp when the day comes too, along with Mohammed.

Why? Is there a reason I should care about these people?

This is happening to all "white" nations. White people don't want to move away to other countries that are not run by whites. While arabs, mexicans, asians don't mind moving. So what happens is these people have a large pure population base, and each year they spread out. White people stay in the same spot, more and more ethnics move in.
I don't mind this really, but it could be a problem in 200 years from now, unless white people spread out as well.

Haha, YOU go read up on the situation. You obviously have no fucking clue what you are talking about.
And stop watching Al-Jazeera.

You're professing knowledge of these people, but you have none. You read a news article about this situation, saw the word muslim and immediately chalked this situation up to religious fanaticism. So you come across as an ignorant, prejudiced prick. If that was your goal, then job well done.

As for me being a muslim-hugger, I have one friend who is a practicing Muslim. I admit that I don't agree with many aspects/interpretations of their religion, but then again, I don't agree with a lot of Christianity or Judaism's aspects eithers. If you ask me, religion is a crock.
But people are free to believe what they want, and judging them because of what they believe is wrong.

Had you made a comment about Christians being scum because they're Christian, I would have made the same argument.

Wow. I don't have satellite, and I rarely even watch cable.
If I don't know what I'm talking about and you do, point me to a trustworthy news source that shows that either this current situation or the situation in Chechnya have been religiously motivated.

If you're going to talk shit, back it up dude.

Hello pot, my name is kettle.

not quite... name me a more stereotypical nation. or at least one who has a stronger stereotypical view against muslims.

Jeez, some people are just too easy :1orglaugh

Good for you, mister multi-cultural socialist hippie.
You hug him?

That rules, you piss and moan about prejudices and stereotypes yet are too blind too see your own. BTW, America is actually a pair of continents, not a country specifically. Are you saying that Brazilians are racists too? The states didn't create slavery, they adopted so ride your horse of ignorance right on through town partner.

All religous fanatics are rediculous. christians, catholics, muslims, jews, hindus, the whole lot. they all devote themselves to a fictional being in huge groups to justify sheer lunacy. take whats tangible and do with it what you can, leave the ethereal shit for when you hit that state.

Any muslim nation... you take a pick.
Of course, they hate westerners in general instead.
And I mean REALLY hate us. Enough to strap TNT around themselves, and blow themselves up in the name of Allah.

Are you SURE you are not a muslim?
I bet you sympathize with the palestinians too, huh?

I'm quite aware of my prejudices. These people are not. Their prejudice is based on ignorance where as mine is based on fact? Is this right? Maybe not... but proven fact holds a lot more ground them ignorance.

As for your second point, I agree 100% with you.

Good Lord. You tool! You used your own prejudice against someone else who was using a prejudice! Are you blind?!

And westerners hate the rest of the world, so who's right?
If westerners had kept their noses out of other people's business many years ago, maybe we wouldn't be so hated by everyone else.
Blowing people up in the name of Allah, or God, or Buddha or whoever is absurd. Doing in the name of patriotism is absurd as well. I'm not in any way condoning this hostage taking. I'm just saying it is not religiously motivated.

Am I muslim? Nope. I was born Roman Catholic, but I'm agnostic.
I sympathize with the Palestinians as much as I sympathize with the Israelis. Actually, I don't really sympathize with either. I think that conflict is retarded (like the Chechnian conflict) and Palestinians and Israelis should be shipped to the North and South poles respectively.

I think anybody willing to give their life for a cause is dumb. And I think anyone hypocritically supporting one cause while ignoring another is dumb as well.

No, I'm not blind. Like I said, I'm quite aware of my prejudices. But my prejudices are based on fact while most are based on ignorance. And society (and logic) says that knowledge is better than ignorance.

before this continues, i just want to let you guys know this:

although i may not agree with some of your views, i have nothing against you personally. i enjoy a good discussion/argument, and at the end of this all, i'd shake your hands and buy you a beer if i were to meet you in real life.

basically, nothing personal.

what you do is give in and withdraw from chechnya...a week later you go in again and fuck up the whole country...

or...since they have identified all the terrorists you gather up all their relatives and start faking executions...but that might backfire since they prolly will kill all the hostages when they see their relatives get executed..

More than 250.000 chechen civils genocide by russia.
Here are the photos! Fucking Europan Union or USA doesn't want to see!
http://www.cecenonline.org/help.htm (Turkish / English)
http://cecenonline.org/vahset.htm (Turkish only, but photos)

if "fucked russia government" (not russian people) stops genocide at chechenia and take his army back to home, all bombings will stop for sure. Russia government started limiting muslim activities again, thanks to cowboy Bush's new muslim policy. Isn't it strange, muslim terrorists started their actions after theese new rules and genocides, just because religion!

russia become a real pervert, after they become poor. russian mafia is selling organs of killed chechens. They know nobody care chechens, and they succeed showing them as terrorists. But didn't we forgot something? Chechen or Russian, Muslim or Christian or Jew. We're all humans, and don't decide to killed for organs!

Chechens are slaughtered like dogs in their very own country. Russia can't win war by fighting in battlefield, so they kill womans, childrens and elders.

And why is that wrong?