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Why are you complaining, there's an easy solution to the tube problem...
don't offer your exclusive videos as download, use real streaming only
doesn't work for DVD rips, but for the rest... |
great idea....not.
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Members will leave in droves...and there is plenty of free software online to download and convert streaming files. I've used it to grab funny home made vids off of You Tube. I don't think streaming vids only in the members area would do anything but bankrupt me. And wouldn't help the original problem much at all.
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- a part of your members is most likely still on a lower bandwith, although this is getting rapidly better they will miss the downloads - just before a week I have seen a plug in that enables you to download any real media video in a decent quality to your PC (like you can very easily download anything that's up on Youtube), so you would still need to use at least some sort of digital watermarking or extra protection - if you don't enable downloads you have to make sure the member has a chance to bookmark / add to favourites / making his own program, of course what's the most comfortable thing about downloads is you don't have to be online and you play whatever from your favourites anytime you want. You have to compensate the comfort in some way if you don't enable downloads. - considering the amount of people that download a busload of movies every day, I doubt even 0,1 pct. of regular porn users are involved in content theft, to regulate user submitions would probably be a better way to go (hypothetically ... of course) |
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Maybe you do know of one or several. List a few of them for us. I'm not aware of any sites like that. But again, I'm not being disrespectful. I'm just asking. |
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Well I've seen the insides of a few Programs that offer streaming only and they are a couple of the biggest program out right now.
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Isnt that the same as drm basically, which totally failed?
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that´s no solution...you can find tons of free soft to download streaming media, plus that many customers would flee...
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Anyone that thinks DRM isn't a solution is WRONG.. and clearly either a) has never tested it b) tested it 8 years ago when it sucked
DRM, will 100% protect your videos, (not rips) and does not cause member issues, does not cause huge complaints, cancels, ect. If you own content, don't drm it, I say you have no rights to bitch about piracy. |
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netflix vongo and many more manage to run a biz while running a proprietary streaming video service. Only way to do it is industry wide, but its a dead dead horse to be beating. People fear change. :2 cents:
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Im not sure why you claim people should use drm...it already failed. It failed real fucking hard. Its funny how all those companies who where spending 1000's drming their shit and bragging on the boards who it would change the net all quietly dropped it after a while and never said a word about it anymore. |
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They act like they can, they through parties, sponsor events... But a $15k server or $4k lease plus per stream feeds is much more than most programs can afford to pay. Including myself, no way I'm spending that much money to protect something I know brands my sites, brings in more traffic, and exposure to thousands who would have never found/visited me because they don't surf within the tgp-adult-traffic bubble. |
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Listen guys...streaming just won't work. I'm telling you that surfers all over the world download any streaming file all the time. There is so much software for that it's ridiculous. Go to any forum on any subject...cars, guitars, porn, etc. and you'll find dozens of programs that people are looking for to grab youtube vids.
I also noticed TheDoc is always talking about DRM... I have no experience with that. But my staff tells me it's a "no". I'm ignorant on it, but what I've been told is that there is a charge everytime it's used. I have a couple of thousand members. I could see where that could be very expensive IF there really is some kind of per use charge (again I'm ignorant) I'm also aware of several cheap and easy to find software programs that hack DRM. So TheDoc I'm not sure why you think it's the answer? Enlighten me. And no one yet has specifically pointed out even one program that uses all streaming vids in the members area. Everybody just keeps making generalizations. I'm just wondering who does that. Again, I'm not being an asshole or arguing or disrespecting anybody. I'm just asking. If there are answers I'd like to be educated. Preferrably by someone else who actually runs a paysite. |
if people want your shit they're gonna get it. period.
no way around it. and before some one says DRM don't do it. its not the answer. |
just go with watermarks... and see it as free pub!
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You can only avoid that by stating very clearly that the site is drm and that will result in a lot of lost sales. DRM failed and will always fail. Using drm on your site costs you money. You say some sites do it with success...how do you know? You dont know how many sales theyre losing by using something retarded as drm. |
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http://www.yappo.com/ http://www.aebn.net/ http://www.adultrental.com/ http://www.hotmovies.com/ http://music.yahoo.com/ (music videos) Just to name a few, really you can't even tell on most sites that the video is drm. You only know it because of the player. Just because I lock my house and dead bolt the door doesn't mean someone can't/wont break in and steal my shit. But by having the lock, I stop 99.9% of the population from doing it. DRM protects your content, hands down.. People can no longer mass rip your sites, yank an update from an xml feed when it happens, ect.. And nobody is going to sit and re-rip your entire members area. The problem people have is we did this before and it didn't work. But the technology back then was bad but still growing. Today, it's slick and can do way more than I can list. Like: You only have to make 1 burn of an entire CD (just 1) then the software will clip it out, show photos, allow you to select any place, even download to own if you wanted to allow it. |
Robbie, the last time I was inside the Top Bucks net work of sites they had streaming. No download links..
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TheDoc, those are VOD & PPM sites. NOT paysites. Members go to VOD for a particular product. I have titles on AEBN and GameLink and Hot Movies just wrote me and we're about to do biz too. I'm aware of that. They CAN'T lose "members" because they don't have any.
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The point was, DRM works, with no problems, errors, issues from members, they can be downloaded, streamed, saved, used later, and offer more levels of protection than people here clearly understand. The question to ask is this.. How many people here have worked with the new DRM technology.. (raises hand) others? |
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Yappo/YappoDollars (ie: Kristin) is my wife. Yappo is ran on a cluster of DRM solution machines that simply blows my mind every time I learn something about it. |
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If you can view it, you can rip it.
/fact I hear what you guys are saying... DRM/streams can significantly cut down on the number of dunderheads that can post your videos on any p2p network or what-have-you... but nothing is 100%. :2 cents: |
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You are also talking about hacking 1 movie at a time, or ripping 1 movie at a time. The difference being if you offer downloadable movies, software can scan/download every movie/picture from your members area, over night. No drm hack is doing that. You can DRM a video and offer it for free-stream. Or charge per min, per download, per movie, per hour, no limits or set limits, like 30/90 day expires on downloads, really much more than I list.. Sky is the limit kind of idea. |
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It is a paysite right?
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Adobe now also offers DRM over Flash Media Server powered video solutions.
http://www.xbiz.com/news/90572 |
Oh, the other thing is most hollywood movies are hacked well before they make it online with drm. Almost all movies are released, online, well before they ever touch a drm machine.
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Sooner or later someone big in the industry will put up the cash. Ive said this before. Someone that has an upsell would be VERY VERY smart to develop new drm techniques that surfers will be able to adapt to easier. The person doing that should offer this tool FREE to any paysite willing to have an ad running in their members area for the non compete upsell. Cant make this tool cost much, or it should be free. Make it simple so any members area can easily deploy it. Instead of wasting time trying to herd cats and trying to stop what is already released in the wild, work on keeping anything new secure. The ONLY way to stop piracy is to adopt industry wide new secure ways of content distribution. I dont care how many piracy groups you form or whatever. You wont stop it that way. Like trying to catch fleas with a pair of chopsticks. Industry wide new secure content distribution methods. Lets say a company with the initals AFF that has shit loads of money. All the face they may of lost could be regained awfully fast for getting something like that developed. Giving it away free for just a members area upsell. |
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they even pay up to 50 Euro per signup: www.cashdorado.com if you have german traffic... |
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If you offer the video with no expire, it's no different than just allowing a download to happen. OTHER THAN, 'depending' on how you have it setup, you can shut the video off permanently. You could.. offer a 30 day download that after 30 days, fires up and asks for a cc to use the video or more or even rejoin the entire site. |
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So DRM basically just time expires and makes the vid unwatchable? I was thinking of the way DVD's won't allow you to make copies or CD's won't allow you to make copies.
I think if I joined a site. And really liked one of the vids and then it "died" on me a few weeks after I had downloaded it to my drive....I would be pissed. I think what is needed is a "magic software" that would allow members to download a vid, but somehow stop them from ripping it or burning it or re-uploading it in any way. That way a member could enjoy the vids forever on his own machine, but not share them. I guess that would be the magic pill that everyone would love to have. |
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I don't think we need to create something new, just an honest company that is willing to spend the money and work with our industry to drm our movies. I would pay, per movie, if the price was cheap enough. I wouldn't pay for the DRM machines on my own, so if the price was right, I would use it. The piracy group is made of dvd production companies that can't figure out why/how to make real money online. They are the same people that blame online for falling dvd sales but waited 10 years to get online. Not the smartest group of minds. |
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