Michael Moore cut this scene from Sicko because no one would believe it
 

Very very interesting video :thumbsup

http://bravenewfilms.org/blog/19529-...uld-believe-it

Yes it is.

I had some friends from norway who were baffled with our hospitals when they had to pay for services. My roomate was also baffled when he had to write a check, he wanted to directly wire the money using some nifty online interface and really thought it was strange he had to sign a funny piece of paper.

Norway is a very different country because it has so much oil. It also has extremely high taxes for all goods and a high income tax.

at least they get something back for those taxes that they pay :thumbsup

Great video.

What do most people get for paying their taxes ? More taxes ?

I am moving. Believe me Canada is no beakon of hope. Being an American in Canada for 5 years, I'd rather be in the states. I had seriously injured my knee a couple years back and was on a waiting list for an MRI for 7 months. In that time my knee healed incorrectly and I feel insane pain when it is cold or damp. My sister-in-law had a similiar injury and had an MRI in 3 days and had surgery a week later. I know this is just one instance, but try going to ANY emergency room in Canada and you will be waiting up to 8 hours to be seen. They are all flooded with deadbeats and people with nothing better to do.

Nice prison system, the Aryan Brotherhood, Crips, Bloods would enjoy that.

peeps can say whatever they want about MM but his films hit you hard and state facts that no one can deny. Our health care system in the US is horrid and anyone who begs to differ hasn't seen it first hand.

sicko really did hit home. Our healthcare system is due for an overhaul

The best part is at the end when they talk about the chainsaw murderer now being out in the woods (free prison system) using a chainsaw to chop up wood.

ONLY IN NORWAY! LOLLLLLL

What if you didn't have insurance in the United States ?
You would have had neither and maybe ended up worst.
Canada is not perfect but certainly much better then the United States when it comes to health care.

For sure, paying tax isnt a bad thing if you're getting the services back in return.

I'll take my trip to Mexico now, Mister Harper :P

No, I wouldn't say that. Having the greatest health care in the world doesn't do a lick of good if you're already dead when they get to you :(

If Norway had a decent climate I would move there.

I agree but what good is a health care system you can't afford either ?
You end up dead cause you can't afford to go to a doctor or hospital in case you need assistance such as in a heart attack.

Here is the sick part! The number one issue domestically is our health care system! None of the major news organizations in the United States talk about it or even report it when a presidential canditate talks about it.

Health care is a civil right.

They should increase taxes on cigarettes, alcohol and gas to pay for universal health care in the US.

Then again, I live in a state where health insurance is mandatory (Massachusetts)

Agree 100%

That is totally way off base.

First of all, all emergency are handle first. Then there is a priority list of health risk that takes order. I guy who need a MRI for his knee may be bumped off because a guy has a clogged artery and needs surgery.


I rather have a fucked up knee then to be dead.

In the US, even with insurance you are not guarantee coverage. Especially if you have an HMO.

Ah those Vikings!!!! Where is Oystein? :)

Doh he posted before I was done watching :)-

While I agree with what you're saying for people without insurance in America with non-emergency ailments...the law is here in America that no emergency room can deny you service for non-payment or no insurance.

They must at the very least stabilize you, then send you onto a state / city funded hospital.

So a heart attack victim would get emergency care immediately.

The problem here in America is when it comes to preventative medicine.

If you have insurance they won't cover a lot of things that will keep you from getting serious illnesses in the future, and if you're without insurance, then you aren't seeing a physician regularly to catch something serious early on.

I recall one time walking into a doctor's office and it had a letter posted that Medicaid would no longer cover pap smears for women.

A simple pap smear may prevent tax payers from having to pay for treatment of cervical cancer later on in life.

Oh well it's not going to change any time soon. I'm a firm believer in capitalism, however when it means that companies no longer cure you, but only provide medicines to help you live with your illnesses, then I think we've crossed lines.

great video, Scandinavian countries for the win :)

Wow.... insane.

I am really sorry for your knee, but after i watched Sicko I was happy to live in Canada. Yes we have long wait at the ER, but i guess its our price to pay... And trust me, I am not rich and I prefer to wait 8h than be bankruped or something like that...

The problem that I see is that you go into an emergency room as you say and they treat you but what about if you need bypass surgery afterwards. Would that be covered as it's not emergency issue.
Second even if they treat you in an emergency and you don't have insurance, you get home alive and well only to find a huge bill not knowing how you will pay it. That is the very real and very scary part.

That's the real story that Michael Moore hid.

Michael Moore plays fast and loose with the facts, always.

He has a liberal axe to grind.

Insurance would cover the bypass surgery. Insurance isn't the big problem, it's those who don't have it or can't get it. Some are too poor to afford it while others have pre-existing conditions that get them denied by every health care company.

Pretty Eye opening film, but take it for what it's worth and make your own judgements based on experiences.
We have a pretty great health care system for some levels of the population, but incredibly shitty for anyone that can't afford healthcare.

Good video, thanks for posting it.
WG

at least his "loose facts" didn't get us into a war and cause the deaths of tens of thousands :2 cents:

I heard wonderful things about Norway, it is extremely safe ? in fact so safe that mothers feel comfortable enough to leave their babies in there strollers outside shops ? I have never seen anything like it before.

The US Prison system is a complete failure and doesn't work. I believe a report on this just came out last week. We have something close to 1/4 of the world's total.

Edit: Here's the link: http://www.reuters.com/article/topNe...41666120071119

I was just talking, with a friend, about that the other day :) Here in Sweden you see that all the time but it is actually against the law to do it. I am not sure how many are aware of that and police will never ?arrest? you but it is still illegal.

It doesn't work because your system is created to punish in first hand. Prisons should try and rehabilitate the prisoner so that he or she doesn?t commit the same crime again. But I am sure most Americans could never understand that concept

Interesting, I wasn't aware of this? I was watching this on oprah about 1 year ago and they made it seem perfectly legal.

Moore realy makes the UK system look great, its not.

We have an NHS that has problems but on the whole works and will treat everyone free though you might have to wait.
If you have money or health insurance you can jump the queue and get treated sooner going private.

So I think its the best of both systems I think and works pretty good. Having it 100% private system bike in the US is scary and people get left out.
I wouldn't trust my life to an insurance company!

Have to ask you Oystein...do you have any connection to Batsfjord?
just curious:)

Only connection is an EX who lived around there - far out and at the end of the world, almost :winkwink:

Oki..my brother lives there and works for a company own by a mr Oystein.

Norway is oil rich and has a massive trade surplus. It's not always been this way.

No, before the oil they were a wealthy marine nation. ;) They are still heavily involved.

I hate to tell you here in the us its not a party. Im seeing with my dads fight with cancer. If my mother wasnt connected the way she is, he would be so behind in his treatments. My wife needed to see a endocrinologist, it was feb she didnt get to see the actual doctor til august.At least if its covered in my taxes it doesnt sting as much as having to pay for the coverage yourself and the service sucks.

"You can judge a society by the way it treats its prisoners" - Winston Churchill

all that for norway? big bloody surprise

yet, i have some trouble with my eyes and i walk right into a treatment centre?

wait.. they bumped me by what, three months? lol

I took a friend of mine to have surgery on his toe in France. He was seen on a Friday - went to surgery and then we went back to see the surgeon on Sat.

The whole operation including medication came out to $200 dollars USD - This was for someone with no insurance in France. :2 cents: