Flight 93 9/11 - what really happened?
 

I totally believe the passengers of flight 93 are heros.

But I'm going to go further than that. I believe that they took over the hijackers AND HAD controll of the plane. Now think about it, there were 45 people on that plane, and 4 hijackers. Once you know the hijackers are planning to kill everyone there is NO CHANCE that 4 people can controll 45 with box cutters. It's pretty much IMPOSSIBLE. The passangers KNEW what was happening, they were in cell phone contact with their loved ones. So what happened?
Here's what I think, I think an F16 shot it down. They were in the air at that time. I think Bush KNEW the hijackers had been defeated on the plane but didn't care, I think he panicked.

The crash site STILL isn't accessable to the public, it's a contolled area. It isn't a memoral. The only time relatives were allowed into the area cameras were not allowed. The only pictures we saw of the crash were released by the FBI. WHY? I think it's cause they are afraid someone will find a missle part.

I've talked to a lot of people about this, and many agree. It doesn't make sense that the hijackers were in controll when the plane crashed. The heros of flight 93 had controll and were headed home when an F16 came up and just blew them out of the air.

Just my opinion.

unfortunately we will never know :(

4 can hold off 45 if the 45 think the 4 have a bomb.

I always assumed that once the passengers fought back, whoever was flying the plane took it straight down into the ground

think about it Gary, those planes travel VERY VERY high, takes a LONG time to go down. 45 vs 4 people could have got the controlls in time.

witnesses say it didn't go straight down

Theres a reason why that black box recording hasnt showed up ANYWHERE...usually something like that will hit the net or their will be speculation as to what was on it...they have that shit sealed away for a reason

Good point. Maybe the barracaded the cockpit. Are there any confirmed communications between passenegers and tower?

Trying and failing don't make a hero, doing makes a hero.

If you TRIED to take the flight back from the the hijackers but failed, you a brave fucker ... but dumb and not a hero.

We will never know what happened up there, but I'm damn sure tha four guys could hold off a buncha civilians in a narrow ass plane....especially after they threw out the bloody bodies of the crew and sliced up a few flight attndants.



I'll probably get some stick for this but I don't fucking care. I'm sick of this over sanctimonious shit. If you can share your politically correct hero worship opinion I can share my dubious ass skeptical view too.

relatives inteviewed after hearing the flight recorder said that it was clearly evident that the passengers were able to force entry into the cockpit shohahahay before the plane crashed.

There was also a coal worker who witnessed the crash and said that the plane travelling pretty much at a 45 degree angle into the ground. I doubt it was shot down.

well, maybe with americans like Labret and you, but it would never happen with Canadians. We just arn't sheep like that.

what a bunch of drama queens.... conspiracy brrutha, what's your take?

Yeah like anybody would bother to hijack a plane in Canada hahahahaha...

Hi-jackers = Pilots
Passengers beat up hi-jackers = No Pilots
No Pilots = Plane falls down.

Is that too hard to understand?

it's true - we've got it rough. maybe one day...

That plane was SHOT the fuck down!

America couldn't handle the TRUTH!:ak47:

Yeah if the 'heros' were such fucking ubermench they could have a) fucked up two or three of the hijackers and forced the remaining one to land the plane or b) instead of calling their relatives to give them pithy tee shirt slogans they could have called ground control and asked them what to do...as in "We have no pilot, what do we do?" or something clever like "How does the radio/autopilot work?" instead of "Let's roll?" c) if the heroes had a few braincells to rub together they might have saved their own lives instead of plowing a field at 700 mph.

... Now that was cold. :feels-hot

You took the heat right off of me though

:thumbsup

The fist class curtain was closed during most of the ordeal. Passengers only had minutes to act. It was too late. a cell phone working on a plane would indicate an extremely low altitude.

Did any witnesses on the ground see an explosion in the air?

I doubt they were calling from cellphones, they were probably using those back of the seat phone things. In the news reports they claim that some people called their relatives several times.

99% of people have PCS or GSM digital phones with tiny ass .25 watt transmitters, which are pretty much useless in half of rural Penn, let alone at altitude.

i would say you are probably right.

the crater it made in the ground showed that it had to have hit that ground at a pretty steep angle.

The black box itself was 15 feet underground.

You know how the black box is this indestructible impervious piece of equipment? Why don't they just build the whole airplane out of that?

why? it's not like the airplane is in combat,shit hits the ground you're still going to die

and you people are actually buying the whole "they called me from the plane" story? Those people got a shit load of money to say that...if these people were hero's release the black box tape,we want to hear our hero's at work...I'm thinking hijackers wouldnt let a person make a phone call, let alone 7-10 people

"let's roll"... come on now,what movie script did they pull that line from? Were the pilots killed during the flight? When the people bumrushed the cockpit and took out the hijackers,where were the pilots? Did they REALLY only have knives with them?..too many questions

Yeah really. And like it was even really an airplane. A bunch of aliens from outer space attack earth on 9/11 and government tries to keep us calm by making up this whole terrorist story. And you sheep buy into it!

SHEEP!!! :1orglaugh

Sheep..? the USA is probably the most powerful country in the world, hell canada basicly says yes sir to the United States.
USA says jump, canada says 'how high?'
Because its like that:winkwink:

Ohh.. the most moronic post.

These people didn't know one fucking thing about the damn cockpit! Do you really think you would? Have you ever seen one?

Moreover, if you fucking paid any attention at all you'd know that the phone calls came once they were hi jacked. Not when they crashed the cockpit you stupid cocksucker. Pay attention you dumb mutherfucker. Or don't bother to opine!

Its one of those JFK situations:winkwink:

Right on, Jimmy. Somebody had to speak up for the cynical bastards of the world that only care about themselves and could not understand the concept of altruism. Such a foreign concept--giving up one's life to prevent harm to others. What's next, people seeking higherl meaning in their lives?

Seriously, just because you or for that matter I would not have done what they did does not preclude the possibility of other people risking their own lives to do what needed to be done. That's what makes them heroes--they risked themselves for people they did not know. I just no myself enough and am realistic enough not to be under a "hero" delusion. I am not sure I could do what those passengers did.

I guess it's easy, even "cool" to be a cynic nowadays. But ultimately, when people die, and we all will some day, how people judge your life is what you did for OTHER people....not what you did for yourself. This is universal....this is what makes us human. What is rare is the person that cared for people outside of his circle of family and friends. I know, hard to believe, hard to understand.......I guess that's what makes them "heroes."

The will to power is just the beginning...not the end. It is a doorway to compassion and higher being. [Joseph Campbell]

I think it's pretty simple. One of two things happened:

1) A fight broke out in the cockpit. There isn't much room in a cockpit. Maybe they figured they were going to die no matter what, so they killed the terrorist flying the plane. Or maybe they killed the terrorist flying the plane and then tried to fly the plane but failed (it looks easy in the movies but it's not).

2) Maybe they attacked the terrorists, and the fucker flying the damn plane took a crap in his pants and intentionally flew the plane into the ground.

There's no way a F-16 shot down the plane. There is radar tracking the planes (and missles), and people who saw the plane crash. Do you honestly believe that US Government can cover something like that up?

As soon as they noticed the first plane was off course and couldnt communicate they had fighters in the air, as soon as the first plane hit the world trade center building they knew to shoot off course planes that wouldnt reply down

If you didn't realise the pilots were the first killed by default, you just missed the entire fucking attack! Fucking clueless! IDIOT!

Yet they didn't bother to save the Pentagon? Suuuuure...

You guys are nuts. The passengers knew what was going on (they had talked to their loved ones and been told), knew they were going to die, and tried to do some thing about it. They rushed the hijackers, maybe took the cockpit and maybe didn't, and then the plane crashed.

Chances are the hijacker flying it put it straight into the ground, but who knows - maybe it happened during the cockpit scuffle or maybe just as the passengers took control.

But that plane was NOT shot down.

I never heard they killed the pilots ...you should show me that

and whoever asked if the government can cover something up like that,Yes...yes they can...Especially when you're calling people hero's,it's not like the American public would question it ...
either way those people aren't hero's...to me anyways

I'm not saying it didn't happen the exact way it's being explained... but there is a lot of doubt.. I don't even remember seeing one piece of plane in the pics they showed..show me something!

Nothing to hide? Lets hear the black box

I dont know, I heard how the plane parts where scatterd across the ground it looked like a mid air strike.
Its a sad tradegy, whatever happened it happened and cannot be changed. I am drunk and tired, I think I am gonna watch the news eat some wings smoke a cigar get a blowjob and pass out. Laters people:)

a gigantic plane blown up in D.C wouldnt go unnoticed... Shooting down a plane where nothing but hillbillies can see is a different story

I'm not saying "yes they HAD to have shot it down!!"...but I won't just go by what I'm told by CNN,theres major doubt

the witness (coal miner) who saw the crash said that the plane was tipping its wings eratically before it hit the ground, implying it was in tact.

you keep mentioning that they never found the black box but they did. They also let family members listen to the tape.

um no thats the point I'm making,they have found the box and let the families listen to it...Every other hijacked plane's black box has been released(not the ones on 9/11) So i mean whats the problem with releasing them unless there is something to hide? don't give me that "respect for the hero's families" bullshit... and you would think at least one of these family members would try to cash in on an interview,paid off to not talk about what was on the tape? possibly... I dunno,this is all far fetched conspiracies BUT there's nothing proving the theory wrong.. A few hillbilly witnesses don't convince me...I at least saw a plane hit the WTC and I actually saw half a plane sticking out of the side of the Pentagon... who knows,I'm just throwing idea's out,kinda like the government does :)

i say its all whitey's fault!:thumbsup

I was just watching CNN and a vice presidential aide pointed out that Cheney gave the order to shoot the plane (Flight 93) down a hlaf hour before it crashed.

Upon hearing of the crash, Cheney said (quoted by several people) "I think we just witnessed an act of courage."

He didn't know shit at the time of the passengers' supposed role (it didn't come out until days later)

So what he was saying, as clear as day, in the doublespeak that politicians speak: we just blew up a plane full of Americans, we need to cover this shit up by making these people heroes.

So technically yes...it's all whitey's fault. Who's whiter than Cheney?

At least one family member has spoke about it. I saw the interview on TV.

ahaha, no shit. :1orglaugh :thumbsup

All ammunition that boards a plane (F-16) is tracked. I am sure one of the grunts when they got back had to take inventory and trying to cover up a missing missile would be kind of difficult. Not to mention the witnesses say there were no missiles launched (as far as they know). The facts are the plane crashed, people died. All the investigating in the world won't bring those people back.

I was always curious of the plane that smacked into the pentagon as the pictures I have seen never really resemble a wreckage of a plane. I dunno too many possibilities...

DH

That's because when it hit, the wings were knocked offf the plane almost immediately. I saw a computer rendering of the crash just the other day.

By the way, from the way I understood it from the interview I watched on TV (a wife of one of the passengers), she said it sounded like they (the passengers) were trying to break into the cockpit. In another interview I saw (not a family member but some official) said it sounded as if they (the passengers) may have been using a catering cart as a ram while trying to break into the cockpit, but that was basically the last sounds heard. I concluded from that the hi-jackers were locked inside the cockpit and either had taken over flight controls or the pilots were still at the controls when the passengers were trying to break in. We will never know the whole story.

BTW - Have You heard this ?

http://www.airdisaster.com/download2/ua93.shtml

Yes. I had heard that. If everyone will notice the other aircraft in the area did not report any other aircraft in the area other than UA-93 (like fighter jets). Of course the conspiracy people will say it is a doctored tape.