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SleazyDream 09-05-2002 02:58 PM

Questions from surfers.
 
I got a little offended today, a surfer asked me to make some sleazydream galleries on really drunk or unconcious women getting fucked. Maybe it's just me but if I dont' see concent I consider it rape. Is that going a little too far or am I about right with this?

mrthumbs 09-05-2002 03:02 PM

pussy..

There's i a niche dedicated to that nowadays.. :Graucho

the Shemp 09-05-2002 03:04 PM

blacklisted...

shemp

Chris R 09-05-2002 03:08 PM

Without trying to offend anyone as well - I think it is obviusly illegal - but also - well here is the words of a crappy judge in my area:

"Judge Thomas Bollinger, S2[sic - I assume that is supposed to be 52], of Baltimore County Circuit Court, granted mere probation to a 44-year-old man who w-as found guilty of raping his 18-year-old employee after she got drunk and passed out on his bed. At the sentencing last April, Judge Bollinger said the victim had "facilitated" the crime by getting drunk, and he worried that criminalizing intercourse with a sleeping woman might make many husbands, in the eyes of the law, rapists. When the victim's lawyer described the scenario of a woman left vulnerable on a bed as the defendant's "dream come true," Judge Bollinger remarked it was "the dream of a lot of males, quite honestly." After angry demonstrations by women's groups, Judge Bollinger said he was misinterpreted; he was sorry he hadn't added "unfortunately" to his "dream of a lot of males" remark. Nevertheless, he was fined $ 500 and agreed, grudgingly, to take a rape-sensitivity course."

However - it is also a fantasy type thing - there could be ways of doing it without it being "illegal" - like the girl tells the guy ahead of time she wants him to do it when she is out - that sort of thing. Might seem weird, but I think you could pull it off.

I have a friend [cough cough] that loves to be woken up by a nice BJ. The consent was given BEFORE hand - as in do this to me to wake me up.

I know that wasn't what you were looking for, but thought I'd throw it in.

Cheshire 09-05-2002 03:14 PM

It's a bit unnerving when you have to ask your partner if sex was had the night before, because of a faint sleepy memory of panties being slid down from behind...

I agree that the advance 'open season' permission should be given beforehand.

salsbury 09-05-2002 03:16 PM

it's not that black & white. it's rare that i really see "consent" in the porn i've seen. how do i know the men & women involved aren't drunk/high/whatever out of their minds? i can't ever know that.

i also don't think rape is that black and white. your girlfriend could be drunk and pass out during the act (i'm sure this must happen some time), doesn't necessarily mean she's been raped, IMO.

in any case, to want to see other guys fucking passed out girls.. that does seem kind of odd.

SleazyDream 09-05-2002 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cheshire
It's a bit unnerving when you have to ask your partner if sex was had the night before, because of a faint sleepy memory of panties being slid down from behind...

I agree that the advance 'open season' permission should be given beforehand.

so do I have an advance "open season" permission with you Cheshire?

Kimmykim 09-05-2002 03:19 PM

The key is really when the release was signed I think.
A person too drunk to understand what they are signing isn't going to constitute a valid release.

Someone signing it, THEN getting drunk, is a different matter altogether...

Gary 09-05-2002 03:21 PM

Well, I have no problem with content like that. Its a fantasy, and for the purpose of content, its staged.

Cheshire 09-05-2002 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SleazyDream
so do I have an advance "open season" permission with you Cheshire?
I'm gonna have to respond in the negative on that one. I'm afraid you haven't the valid license necessary to hunt in my field.

sorry boo

SleazyDream 09-05-2002 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gary
Well, I have no problem with content like that. Its a fantasy, and for the purpose of content, its staged.

Once again, what's legal?

Is it legal to make videos on to blow up the world trade center? How about then marketing this video and profiting off of it?

you wouldn't actually blow up a building in the video, you'd just fake it.

The question then moves to is it legal to make a video of a non-concent rape scene and basically show people how to do it. You'd profit from showing people how to commit rape?


or a step further, a scat video. (killing a babe for sex)
Where's the line?

SleazyDream 09-05-2002 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cheshire
I'm gonna have to respond in the negative on that one. I'm afraid you haven't the valid license necessary to hunt in my field.

sorry boo


where can I make an application to get this licence?

Cheshire 09-05-2002 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SleazyDream
or a step further, a scat video. (killing a babe for sex)
Where's the line?

You mean snuff film?
A scat video would be a movie of poo, silly.

And the license only comes available to one lucky hunter every few years... and I just gave one out a few months back.

SleazyDream 09-05-2002 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cheshire
You mean snuff film?
A scat video would be a movie of poo, silly.

And the license only comes available to one lucky hunter every few years... and I just gave one out a few months back.

right snuff, my mistake... guess I'm just not into that wacked out stuff enough to even know what I'm talking about.

Gary 09-05-2002 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SleazyDream



Once again, what's legal?

Is it legal to make videos on to blow up the world trade center? How about then marketing this video and profiting off of it?

you wouldn't actually blow up a building in the video, you'd just fake it.

The question then moves to is it legal to make a video of a non-concent rape scene and basically show people how to do it. You'd profit from showing people how to commit rape?


or a step further, a scat video. (killing a babe for sex)
Where's the line?

Buildings blow up on video all the time. People get mudered on video by the thousands every year. Whats the big deal, cause the people are anked?

SleazyDream 09-05-2002 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gary


Buildings blow up on video all the time. People get mudered on video by the thousands every year. Whats the big deal, cause the people are anked?

then make a video on how to blow up a building and market it and we'll see how fast it takes the authorities to knock on your door.

richard 09-05-2002 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gary


Buildings blow up on video all the time. People get mudered on video by the thousands every year. Whats the big deal, cause the people are anked?

Is the big deal, because people are getting their jollies off on it?

I doubt that there are many people who wank to people dying on CNN or in a blockbuster film?

Gary 09-05-2002 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by richard


Is the big deal, because people are getting their jollies off on it?

I doubt that there are many people who wank to people dying on CNN or in a blockbuster film?

I jerk off to CNNFN, does that make me weird

richard 09-05-2002 03:49 PM

not at all, those guys are studs.

They've even made it a PPV channel over here.

MaxDent 09-05-2002 04:06 PM

Look, my girlfriend fucked me when I passed out once and it pissed me off..... I demanded she do it again exactly the same way so I would have some recollection of the previous evening.

TheFLY 09-05-2002 04:25 PM

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jimmy3way 09-05-2002 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SleazyDream

Is it legal to make videos on to blow up the world trade center? How about then marketing this video and profiting off of it?

Uh...*cough, cough* uh...

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS...426526-9805534

I guess the answer is yes.

eRock 09-05-2002 05:02 PM

Can you say "GHB"?

I used to be heavily involved in the club scene back in the day & have had countless numbers of female friends taken advantage of! That just makes me so angry that someone would actually hafta sink this low in order to get some action. If I ever caught someone in the act doing that to one of my friends or my sister or something...I'd beat the living shit outta 'em!

As far as content like that??? It can go both ways. There's a TON of pics/vids out there of 25 y.o. made to look like 16 y.o. in schoolgirl outfits. Yet we all throw that out there like it's nothin' big...then we're debating over weather or not pretend pics of girls passed out & gettin' drilled is acceptable or not? C'mon...

eRock 09-05-2002 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jimmy3way


Uh...*cough, cough* uh...

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS...426526-9805534

I guess the answer is yes.

I noticed on how you cut up Sleazy's words tho, Jimmy. This vid isn't on "How' to blow up buildings...just a documentry on the event...

jimmy3way 09-05-2002 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by eRock


I noticed on how you cut up Sleazy's words tho, Jimmy. This vid isn't on "How' to blow up buildings...just a documentry on the event...

If I wanted to blow up a building with a plane I'd buy that dvd. It tells you everything you need to know.

-=HOAX=- 09-05-2002 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cheshire
...and I just gave one out a few months back.

Lucky Turd.

eRock 09-05-2002 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jimmy3way


If I wanted to blow up a building with a plane I'd buy that dvd. It tells you everything you need to know.

Well...if you need avideo to tell ya on how to do that, then ya have bigger problems...:1orglaugh

CDSmith 09-05-2002 05:27 PM

If it's fantasy, as in not real, then it is okay legally in most areas.

However,

if you are <i>counselling</i> others or instructing them on how to harm others in any way, then you cross the line.




but writing something about fantasy make believe subjects is NOT wrong. How many tv shows contain scenes where a female gets abused, harrassed, raped, or murdered? TONS... you don't watch NYPD Blue? Or Law & Order?? What about movies? There are lots of examples where a plot or storyline takes such a twist, but it's all fantasy, play-acting. DRAMA. Hello?

Write what you want for fuck sakes.

richard 09-05-2002 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by CDSmith
If it's fantasy, as in not real, then it is okay legally in most areas.

<snip>

but writing something about fantasy make believe subjects is NOT wrong. How many tv shows contain scenes where a female gets abused, harrassed, raped, or murdered? TONS... you don't watch NYPD Blue? Or Law & Order??

How does one define "fantasy" ?

http://www.dictionary.com/search?q=fantasy

5) An imagined event or sequence of mental images, such as a daydream, usually fulfilling a wish or psychological need.

I'd imagine this definition would be fairly accurate in the context of porn - you jerk off because you want to actually be doing it, you find it sexually stimulating.... ie you dont jerk off to BBW if you dont like it, and dont want to shag a BBW in real life.


I would suggest that fuelling a fantasy, that when real has legal/serious moral issues, is not a good thing.

If you jerk over Jenna Jameson, would you have sex with her if you could?

Stealthy 09-06-2002 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gary
Well, I have no problem with content like that. Its a fantasy, and for the purpose of content, its staged.
That would be easy enough to stage & make look pretty real...

Sadly, it would be a big seller methinks...

lawpal 09-06-2002 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SleazyDream



Is it legal to make videos on to blow up the world trade center?

......

Where's the line?

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SleazyDream 09-06-2002 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by lawpal


After I saw this shit I came to the conclusion that there is no line anymore.

Let me first state categorically that I did not create this video. I saw it on Stileproject several months ago. It was created by the Church of Euthanasia.

The Video is called "I Like to Watch" - Before you watch it, be warned, it is extreme. Here is a picture from it.
http://www.churchofeuthanasia.org/ca..._optimized.jpg


Here is the actual Video

Modem
Real Video
http://www.korda.web229.net/iltow_36k.ram

QuickTime
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Windows Media
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RealVideo Download
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ISDN
Real Video
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QuickTime
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Windows Media
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Windows Media
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somebody forward this crap to the NSA so this bastard can be shot as a traitor.

cherrylula 09-06-2002 07:38 PM

I don't know about the rest of you, but I made the decision long ago to try my best and live out ALL my fantasies.

Doesn't everyone? I mean, what else is there in life but to chase dreams? Thats what I think anyhow. Scary to think some people actually fantasize about rape.

lawpal 09-06-2002 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SleazyDream



somebody forward this crap to the NSA so this bastard can be shot as a traitor.

I think they already did. I agree its fucked up as hell, but I posted it in response to your point as to whether there is a line (?) regarding content. I used to think there is..... now I just don't know.


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