US Webmasters Pushing Seventeen
 

Meant to post this yesterday, but was just reminded.

Whats your thoughts on US Webmasters pushing Seventeen, the insinuation is obvious...

Cool?

Nice sig pic:thumbsup

Thanks man.

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dr k-man prescribes fletch to 15 minutes away from his computer at least once this month, and every mont thereafter for a period of 2 months.

if you mean clubseventeen then there's nothing wrong with it as all models are over 18 years of age on it.

All persons depicted herein were over the age of 18 years at the time they were photographed or filmed.

-edit- oh well I'm slow :)

I didnt say the models were anything but 18.

I merely mentioned the insinuation part.

;)

Were putting out 14 is keen, so what are you saying?

No relationship between one business venture to the other.

Before you get all uptight, it is just an example:BangBang:

Those that know my routine would say, I post here more the busier I am.

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But yeah, I could use a break away.

I tried to take today off, no can do. Been up designing since 7 AM.

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What the fuck does the above mean? Are you drunk? :)

club seventeen could stand for the studio street number, or that they have 17 models, or 17 paysites, or 17 different guys that fuck the models, etc.....

<i>Could</i> - but it doesn't.

I think it's the same as anyone pusing Tawnee Stone or Youngporn.net. As long as it's legal, I don't think people care whether or not they're really targetting people that are buying into the "idea" that those girls are younger than 18.

oh, I forgot. You know EVERYTHING...


fuck are you ever an IDIOT.

I didnt say I knew everything.

You did.

I was seeking opinions and a good thread.

You seem to be the one, assuming I am claiming its illegal or something.

I just wanted to hear what you guys thought.

;)

Technically... Making an +18 years old girl look -18 is a no no... Child porn does not stop at -18 ... You can get fucked for INSINUATING or giving the idea that the girls are under age...

Which is EXACTLY why I started this thread.

This, I would assume, is a touchy subject when it comes to certain aspects of the obscenity laws etc throughout international sites, free or not I suppose.

I remember after one of the recent conventions, someone linking, http://www.lawrencewalters.com and saying something about the "insinuation" - it being as illegal as actual porn, I believe.

Was around the same time there were threads regarding faked pics. Like lets say the Britney pics of her with tits or getting fucked etc... that if she was 16 in the pics, and you put tits on them, it was just as illegal.

Of course I cant find the threads now.... will look more shortly.

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That is not true anymore...the supreme court ruled that virtual child porn is protected speech being that their are no "real victims."

This is not an endorsement of virtual child porn just stating what happened.

re: club 17

there is so much being "insinuated" on various sites, but insinuating a fantasy and acting out in reality are two different things.

Fletch the law has changed somewhat...I forgot to post this link in my last post to back that statement up :)
http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,51856,00.html

I know.

I mentioned Lawrence Walters, isnt he the person behind that?

http://www.lawrencewalters.com/virtual_article.php3

This is why I wanted to start a thread on it, it's a good discussion, and people should know.

Information is the Center of Our War.

Right and as stated in that article wrriten by LW the miller test is still in effect and a s h c r o f t will just go after people saying that anything that depicts minors even though they are 18+ will be challenged as obscene based upon community standards.

It will be a financial war then, they'll just try to make it where it's not financially feasible to be involved in this biz, especially the LEGAL teen/lolita aspect of it.

if this was true then wouldnt *lolita* domain names still be ok with processors and all, i mean as long as the models are over 18.

I think we should launch Just16 all the models are over 18 tho.

When in court and they say If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck it must be a duck.

But you made it easy for them. you already told them it was a duck.

Good luck

Oh BTW http://www.club21.com/defaultD.php

US supreme court rulin only works ON DIGITALLY MADE images.. not real ppl made out to look under age.

Go talk to a lawyer! ;)

OK :thumbsup LOL

Roger you actually edited your post to add the Club21 link to spam your site?

HAHAHAHAHA

Damn bro, that's shameless.

Fantasies don't hurt other people.

No one beats off to JennaJ fucking a dude, because the dude is getting laid, but rather they beat off to the idea of being the dude. I could give a shit if he fantasizes about Janet Reno being 12, she ain't, the site ain't doing anything illegal, so I'm cool with it.

Youngporn looks like it crosses lines, but when you think about it, the word porn should imply 18 anyways, so youngporn should mean that they are young for being in porn, which his models are, mostly 18 and 19 or at least looking it...


Just make money, don't start shit, and don't ask other people for your morality, if you think it's wrong, don't promote it. Simple as that.


TarPy

love the sig fletch

You caught that :)

Its not the only club in town LOL

Processors don't just care about laws, they care about trying to protect their corporate image and whatever else. VISA/MC may decide not to process for a NAZI site, but NAZI sites are still legal.

It's fucked, because they have a bit of a de facto monopoly, and they can be more powerful censors than the government, but it's true.

What do you guys think of only13.com as a site?

And we will put only 13 pics on the site but they will all be over 18
lets see what the top companies online do.

Using words like teen and young are suggestive but to flat out say anything under 18 fucks it for the rest of us.
Why do you think none of the big companies don't have sites like club15,16,17 there is a reason for it.

But if you feel comfortable doing it or promoting it Kewl.
I'm Just curious who's your Attorney?

so fantasizing about a woman being "underage" is illegal/immoral?

says who?

does your girlfriend ever call you "daddy" while you are having sex? she does it when i am fucking her, wonder if she does it while you are fucking her

anyway wasnt there an age thread on here recently, concerning age of consent etc.?

if the age of consent is 14 or 16 in a state, what is wrong with fantasizing about sex with 14 or 16 year old girls? while it is true that models under 18 arent supposed to be in porn in the US, what if i take a petite 18 year old woman and put her in a catholic school girl uniform with pigtails? she can wear what the fuck ever she wants, after all she is 18 years old even if she looks fucking 14 years old with pigtails and a uniform

Do you work for P4D cash? I'm gonna show them this thread


I'm not even going to coment on this shit. I can't believe what I'm hearing.

(does your girlfriend ever call you "daddy" while you are having sex? she does it when i am fucking her, wonder if she does it while you are fucking her)
you've got some big balls what do you do?

Try reading LW's article...he is a lawyer ;)

teen, young these are words that insinuate.
but to mention number under 18 is just a can of worms waiting to be opened. And it reflects bad on the industry as a whole.

I agree with your moral argument, and in some aspects your legal argument.

We as wm's are supposed to show good faith in that we put up warning pages to our tgps, free sites, avs and paysites...and by using a name like Club17 or only13.com a wm wouldn't be showing a lot of good faith.

However isn't Club17 located in the Netherlands?
Are they required now to follow US law because of our morals?

I am not on the boards much but I saw this and will make a quick statement defending the clubseventeen site.

Clubseventeen has been around long before the internet. It has been a popular name brand of a magazine featuring 17 year old models... which is legal in the areas they were selling their magazine. When they brought their popular name to the net they made sure only to post girls over 18. This is why they are an exception. Their initial intentions were not to try to insinuate underage girls... they tried to bring a big name to the net but they had to make sure they only posted girls over 18 and state that on their site.

If you make a site called only13.com and have nude photos of girls 18+, you will probably get in trouble for insinuating the girls are under 18. You will not be an exception.

Most webmasters promoting clubseventeen do insinuate, on purpose or not, that the girls are 17. It would be dificult to promote that site without insinuating but it can be done and be very profitable.

I am not sure if I remember all this correctly. But this is what I heard (I believe from clubseventeen) a few years ago.

unless obscene?

If you were in court and they asked you would you look at a magazine of naked girls that said Teensluts or youngslut on it would you be ashamed to say yes. do you consider it obscene?

Then same question about looking at a naked mag called club 17 sluts would you consider this ok or obscene?

Under the Miller Test anything can be ruled obscene Roger.
Any DA or ADA from Backwater Alabama coming across one of your sites could prosecute you for violating local community standards.

no, i don't work for p4dcash. i promote them sometimes on tgp, thats about it

my current gf is 31, 2 years older than i am

and i still think that there is a difference between fantasy and reality. if she is 18 and signs a model release with id proving she is 18, a bitch can wear a fucking diaper and bib if she wants to

can you not tell the difference between fantasy and reality?

just what children are you trying to protect from yourself?

What did you say to Sleazy to get him to hate you so much, Fletch? His professionalism has been through the roof lately. What's the drama behind all of this? Nobody is *this* nasty without a little proverbial penis worry.

Good luck:thumbsup

Maybe I just don't know how to get my point across.:glugglug
By no means am I an Angel but there was a line and it was the # 18.

My friend owns an under age club called sixteen they can't drink in it. Maybe I can launch a site for him called club 16 and only show naked girls in his club that are over 18.

Thanks I will have to look into it.

What country are you located in?

I like the angle Barely Legal has always maintained, I dig those teens.

mmmm Yummy Mr Flynt.

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i am in the United States, one of the few countries in the world that still allows it's citizens to speak their minds

I wonder if Hustler.com would put club17 on there exit?

If Larry flint puts it on his exits then you guys have got my vote.

I know they have our collegebadgirls, teenbadgirls, amateurerotica on ther first exit:)

I just remembered what I first thought when I saw this thread...

"US Webmasters Pushing 17"

As in... webmasters who are 16, almost 17. Probably more of those on here than the kind you were actually talking about.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA.

dude you just freaked me

why is that funny?

sometimes some over-moneyed asshole will hear or read something they do not like and try to squash it under a pile of money (lawyers, influence, etc) or a large corporation will pay a judge or two so some small joe can't speak his piece

i think that is the exception, rather than the rule

as for "what do i do", well, mostly i work construction. i have zero respect for white-collar workers. someone can shuffle papers and shave 2% off their companies operational costs for a year. big deal

i can call the food out of the ground, hunt it out of the woods, and build the house that some fat loser sits in borrowing and lending, driving the value of my dollars down

the way my grandfather told it to me, and the way i still believe, is this:

back in the day of the family farm and family business, there was always a mama's boy who couldn't work in the fields with the men. he got sent to the house to count the stock and do the bookwork

after a while, the mamas boy realized he could juggle the numbers in his favor, and "management" was born