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Xenophage 05-11-2007 09:52 AM

Whats the hottest new Idea you have seen in this biz in the last 6 months?
 
I just dont see the innovation we used to have in this biz it used to be every 3 months something amazing came out and revolutionized the whole biz.

rapmaster 05-11-2007 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LegendaryLars (Post 12409194)
I just dont see the innovation we used to have in this biz it used to be every 3 months something amazing came out and revolutionized the whole biz.

heh... my partners and I do a dedicated brainstorming sesh every week - our list is growing pretty quickly :winkwink:

Huggles 05-11-2007 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LegendaryLars (Post 12409194)
I just dont see the innovation we used to have in this biz it used to be every 3 months something amazing came out and revolutionized the whole biz.


I have something in the pipes that you'd give me a million dollars for, I'm positive of it.


Unfortunately, I'm afraid if I told anyone, they'd just take my idea, develop it, and give me the finger!


( Not saying that you'd do that, but, I trust almost nobody in this business. )

Dirty Dane 05-11-2007 10:03 AM

Zango...

JD 05-11-2007 10:06 AM

working on some VERY hot shit right now actually. :)

Xenophage 05-11-2007 10:06 AM

I believe this is one of the big issues causing sales to decline.. lack of innovation.

bizarredollars 05-11-2007 10:07 AM

As if I would share that :) -- seriously, very little has excited me recently...

I'm looking towards solo-girl sites, but it's been done before.. nothing new.

WiredGuy 05-11-2007 10:07 AM

For me, its been a traffic acquisition method. Specifics, well, no way I'm posting that :)
WG

bizarredollars 05-11-2007 10:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WiredGuy (Post 12409280)
For me, its been a traffic acquisition method. Specifics, well, no way I'm posting that :)
WG

Agreed, I have traffic ideas too, but I will never share them here...

Hit me, maybe we can make a deal :1orglaugh

Dollarmansteve 05-11-2007 10:10 AM

I think there has been lots of innovation, but the webmaster community as a whole is slow in adopting anything new. The reason for a sales decline is because of the same webmasters promoting the same old stuff.

The curve of new technology adoption is a long shallow slope followed by a sharp short term rise (the 'rushing in' effect). This gives the appreance of sudden/paradigm shift type change, but in fact it is the slow adoption of technology followed by a knee-jerk reaction by 'the masses' that causes it to look like this.

bizarredollars 05-11-2007 10:11 AM

We are working on something similar to fethard.biz/epassporte.. our solicitors are having a field day... if we can do it legally, that will be pretty big...

Huggles 05-11-2007 10:12 AM

The next 365 days for me will be some seriously interesting times. :)

bizarredollars 05-11-2007 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dollarmansteve (Post 12409292)
I think there has been lots of innovation, but the webmaster community as a whole is slow in adopting anything new. The reason for a sales decline is because of the same webmasters promoting the same old stuff.

The curve of new technology adoption is a long shallow slope followed by a sharp short term rise (the 'rushing in' effect). This gives the appreance of sudden/paradigm shift type change, but in fact it is the slow adoption of technology followed by a knee-jerk reaction by 'the masses' that causes it to look like this.

When I break down what you have said, you are dead on!! http://www.bizarredollars.com/smilies/notworthy.gif

Someone has their head screwed on :)

Xenophage 05-11-2007 10:24 AM

Yes there are new traffic methods, but its nothing thats changing the whole game.

fris 05-11-2007 10:35 AM

i like britepic and briteflics idea

WonderWoman 05-11-2007 10:45 AM

Mine is more a conceptual but here it goes:

I believe that in order for real innovation to happen in our industry, there has to be more unification. We all TALK about Web 2.0 but havent seen much done about it. Web 2.0 is all about the user and personalization. We all talk smack about the Zangos and Gators of the world however they did have something right in their technology, behavioral targeting and personalization. There are two ways to do this, through downloadable software or tracking cookies. I take it downloadable software is out, so this brings us to tracking cookies and unification.

Personalization is huge and with so many sites in our business, imagine if you could deliver content and products that are in line with what the user is looking for. Marketing studies have shown that conversion rates would definitely increase. But in order to really be able to see what the user is doing, you need to have a broad enough reach which means that cookies need to be placed on MANNNNYYY sites. This is where the "unifying" concept comes in. The technology per se isnt that difficult (see companies like Tacoda and Revenue Science). Its all about the network of sites that you work with. Unfortunately, none of the mainstream companies so far that address personalization would work with our industry.

So here it is..... create a giant network of adult sites that allow us to track the user and their interests across them and customize content, search, products, you name it to their interests.

Not a novel concept, but it involves a pardigm shift. Instead of trying to TELL the user what they want...... let them TELL you.

DatingGold 05-11-2007 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LegendaryLars (Post 12409272)
I believe this is one of the big issues causing sales to decline.. lack of innovation.

Who says sales are declining?

Yo Adrian 05-11-2007 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LegendaryLars (Post 12409194)
I just dont see the innovation we used to have in this biz it used to be every 3 months something amazing came out and revolutionized the whole biz.

Your right so do I:thumbsup

Deej 05-11-2007 10:55 AM

Someone in PHX showed me something they have developed, something ive never seen, and something that may be ground breaking...

But ill just let them show you

azurecash 05-11-2007 10:57 AM

We have a site launching that is called 360sologirls which features a new solo girl almost every day of the year.

GooSearch 05-11-2007 10:59 AM

AdultWebmasterGear.com branded Clothing and Tangible goods with adult sponsors and some with solo girls websites ( got a couple of those comin) looking into a store front by the beach just need to aquire more inventory :thumbsup

Huggles 05-11-2007 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by azurecash (Post 12409578)
We have a site launching that is called 360sologirls which features a new solo girl almost every day of the year.


Please let me know when this site goes up, I want to feature each new girl per day on newpornchicks.com :)

vvq 05-11-2007 11:26 AM

in my opinion adult has fallen behind. mainstream is pushing the innovations.

Dollarmansteve 05-11-2007 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vvq (Post 12409728)
in my opinion adult has fallen behind. mainstream is pushing the innovations.

only because doing something thats border-line legal is easier to get away with when you're selling something other than porn. It's nearly impossible for an adult company to do something super-aggressive without raising red-flags all over the place, especially given the political climate in the US.

macromind 05-11-2007 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vvq (Post 12409728)
in my opinion adult has fallen behind. mainstream is pushing the innovations.

I think that is totally true! I do a lot of work on the Internet Marketing side and people are so much more proactive than in porn. It used to be the other way around but not anymore. Look at all the Internet Marketing gurus outhere, they all swear by Web 2.0, Social Networking, Massive automated site building, etc... And not only them, look at who bought MySpace, old media company are in there too. In my opinion, thats where the money is and will be for the next little while. So now we have to look at what is done on the mainstream side and use the ideas to develop XXX 2.0!

macromind :2 cents:

Rochard 05-11-2007 11:52 AM

I think the past two years has seen little innovation but this seems to be changing. However, the past two years has seen a major shift in our industry - where two mainstream companies, Youtube and Myspace - have taken a huge percentage of traffic away from us. Between these two sources combined with the recent influx of new programs..... has cut traffic to all programs over all and thus sales.

But I think we are on the verge of coming back in a big way. Some programs are free hosted flash videos with affiliate codes embedded in them. Other programs are working on creating sites simlar to youtube.

One of the best ideas our industry ever had was Rick Latona's Dollars.com (I think that's what it was called). This was an affilate program where you could sign up for them and push dozens of other programs through their software. If for some reason a certain program wasn't doing well, you could change the links from the dollars.com software instead of doing the coding on the website itself. Why this didn't work out still surprises me.

What is needed is something like dollars.com but with free hosting and software to run tgps, blogs, and youtube styled sites.... affiliates would flock to it and other affiliate programs would want to be a part of it as well.

Also, the affiliate software needs to be stepped up. NATS and MPA3 have made huge improvements but they need to take it a bit further where you have an account with NATS or MPA3 and can run all of yous links from there.

And I'm betting CCBill is about to stun all of us.

Rochard 05-11-2007 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vvq (Post 12409728)
in my opinion adult has fallen behind. mainstream is pushing the innovations.

This is a good point. In the past the adult industry was leading the way but this has changed. Where as a affilate program has a handful of designers, these mainstream companies have entire departments creating great software.

We need to step up to the plate.

Freeboyd 05-11-2007 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 12409895)

We need to step up to the plate.

:thumbsup


And get our money-drunk heads out from our fat asses :winkwink:

azurecash 05-11-2007 11:59 AM

Come On In
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Huggles (Post 12409641)
Please let me know when this site goes up, I want to feature each new girl per day on newpornchicks.com :)


Huggles we will give access to our affiliates first so please join to be updated.

Cheers.

necoeds 05-11-2007 12:00 PM

about everything that comes from adult.com!

bdld 05-11-2007 12:14 PM

Top Bucks Reloaded is offering 3 new sites, big tours as wide as 900px in width, link to join/trailer options, they show first, second, trailer & join page clicks, and will be paying $100/join first week of june. those sure sound like innovative ideas.
here's how their new stats look
http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/3716/tbfl2.jpg

aico 05-11-2007 12:18 PM

Starting a solo site and closing it in 3 months seems to be the new trend.

jonesonyou 05-11-2007 12:19 PM

exclusive content!

Xenophage 05-11-2007 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 12409879)
I think the past two years has seen little innovation but this seems to be changing. However, the past two years has seen a major shift in our industry - where two mainstream companies, Youtube and Myspace - have taken a huge percentage of traffic away from us. Between these two sources combined with the recent influx of new programs..... has cut traffic to all programs over all and thus sales.

But I think we are on the verge of coming back in a big way. Some programs are free hosted flash videos with affiliate codes embedded in them. Other programs are working on creating sites simlar to youtube.

One of the best ideas our industry ever had was Rick Latona's Dollars.com (I think that's what it was called). This was an affilate program where you could sign up for them and push dozens of other programs through their software. If for some reason a certain program wasn't doing well, you could change the links from the dollars.com software instead of doing the coding on the website itself. Why this didn't work out still surprises me.

What is needed is something like dollars.com but with free hosting and software to run tgps, blogs, and youtube styled sites.... affiliates would flock to it and other affiliate programs would want to be a part of it as well.

Also, the affiliate software needs to be stepped up. NATS and MPA3 have made huge improvements but they need to take it a bit further where you have an account with NATS or MPA3 and can run all of yous links from there.

And I'm betting CCBill is about to stun all of us.

Nice and agreed dollars.com was agreat Idea I believe it did not work because no one wanted to put that much control in one person/companies hands. And i also believe Xpays has a patent on bundling affiliate programs.

Huggles 05-11-2007 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bdld (Post 12409990)
Top Bucks Reloaded is offering 3 new sites, big tours as wide as 900px in width, link to join/trailer options, they show first, second, trailer & join page clicks, and will be paying $100/join first week of june. those sure sound like innovative ideas.
here's how their new stats look
http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/3716/tbfl2.jpg



You're fucking kidding us, right?



None of that is innovative in any sense.



If I posted a few of the true innovative things I am in the beginning stages of working on, people would be doing backflips to copy what I'm doing. Which is why I can't mention them.

Xenophage 05-11-2007 03:16 PM

any more exiting things or do I have it right nothing new...

Nathan 05-12-2007 12:31 AM

The main problem why it looks like the adult industry is behind the game compared to mainstream now is that Web 2.0 is VERY hard to adapt in the adult world. So either we have to find a way to make XXX 2.0 work (which I'm trying actually...) or find our own new innovations and stop looking at mainstream which I think is slowing us down a bit.

The main things in Web 2.0 and why they do not work well in Adult:
1) Tagging
Tagging is extremely important since it gives the user a way to interact on the web 2.0 sites and helps searching them a lot. Good tags are created by the SURFERS and not the site owner usually by basically tagging stuff they like with keywords they associate with it.
In Adult: You have the simple problem that a horny adult surfer has no time or brain to enter tags in, so there is no real tagging going on as there is in big mainstream sites. You have to rely on your own tagging 100% which makes it more difficult and untargeted but still OK I guess.

2) Syndication/Automation
The mainstream sites have easy ways to distribute content to help them grow bigger through traffic coming from everywhere. The big sites all have APIs to let 3rd parties use their systems through their backends on their own sites, this helps them grow too of course since the geek community LOVES that kind of stuff.
In Adult: We are using Syndication to build more and easier TGP like sites, now its blogs but seriously, its the same thing just with less galleries because the pages just take up too much room. Its very hard to trust everyone in the industry and we are a lot smaller and thus misuse of the services is more obvious than in the mainstream so I think there are very few who would consider making something like APIs or big syndicatable content because it would get stolen and misused. And of course, our biggest lack is that we do not have such a huge geek community, and even if we did geeks want shit for free and we simply are not a simple ad-driven biz we need to make sales inside our own biz which the mainstream places do not need (not that any of the big web 2.0 sites are making any money).

3) Advertising/Money
The Web 2.0 sites all make money by advertisments on the pages which go outside of their market-segment because they simply right now have NO WAY to actually make money. None of the big startups have a CLUE how they can retain their size but still be profitable. The Web 2.0 game is all about SELLING yourself to Google or some huge media company. They all work because they get MILLIONS AND MILLIONS in VC.
In Adult: Obviously VC is the hardest thing to get for the adult internet.

4) User Contribution
The biggest thing in Web 2.0 is that the BIG 2.0 sites are all big because they have millions of users contributing to their content and thats what makes them big and popular. They simply provide a platform to exchange.
In Adult: User Contributed content simply only works in one niche and thats AMATEURS. Its a big and profitable one, but there are bigger ones and its just a share of the adult market.


Lars, a question like this coming from you is also something that makes people think first before posting ... Everyone knows that you could more or less copy any idea out there in a month or two with the amount of workforce you have access to. Thats honestly one reason why I was wondering if I should even post here.. but I did :) I hope it wasn't a mistake <G>

jact 05-12-2007 12:35 AM

I'm working on a few things currently that I think will really innovate a lot, but unfortunately the further into this interweb thing we get, the larger scale something has to be to be innovative.

ztik 05-12-2007 12:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LegendaryLars (Post 12409194)
I just dont see the innovation we used to have in this biz it used to be every 3 months something amazing came out and revolutionized the whole biz.

I have alot of them, all the time. Huge ideas. But im pretty content at where I am at this point and I have no desire to try to make them happen.

I was just thinking of one that almost everyone on message boards need would use, and would guarantee a proffit. Maybe i'll start it up this winter.

SleazyDream 05-12-2007 12:51 AM

we need a way to get adult back into mainstream more

Turboface 05-12-2007 01:09 AM

I wouldn't say that conteXaclick is going to revolutionize the online adult industry as we know it, however with Google AdWords/AdSense slowly turning it's back on us and other adult PPC (CPC) programs falling by the wayside, it's quickly becoming an attractive way for adult webmasters to advertise and/or sell off their ad space to the highest bidders!

In addition to a whole bunch of ad blocks dimensions similar to AdSense, conteXaclick features an 'easy feed' which allows publishers to achieve impressive click through ratios while supplying advertisers with extremely targeted traffic.

You can see an example of the 'easy feed', as well as a wide skyscraper ad here:

http://www.pornsiteplus.com/images/s...nshots/psp.gif


:thumbsup

Loki 05-12-2007 01:24 AM

I'll say it... Were working on something BRAND NEW, and deff will be a HOT product once we have a tech demo to show a few ppl (Lars you are on that list)

If I'm right and we find a partner for this project EVERYONE will be talking about this baby ;)

I'd say more, but without everyone signing NDA's it's really just pointless lol

-Loki-

aico 05-12-2007 01:25 AM

I have a great idea, but can't do it, don't have the time or resources. Hit me up and I'll give it to you. You need to have an assortment of girls at your disposal in order for it to work. Don't have all the details worked out, but once you hear it, you'll know how to pursue it.

ztik 05-12-2007 01:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SleazyDream (Post 12412942)
we need a way to get adult back into mainstream more


why?




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AsianDivaGirlsWebDude 05-12-2007 01:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LegendaryLars (Post 12409194)
I just dont see the innovation we used to have in this biz it used to be every 3 months something amazing came out and revolutionized the whole biz.

Whats the hottest new idea you have seen in this biz in the last 6 months, Lars?

ADG

bDok 05-12-2007 01:45 AM

APIs would be huge. RSS is a nice first step, but it's not leading the charge by any stretch of the imagination. Robust APIs that allow for dynamic and engaging content.

Dopy 05-12-2007 02:07 AM

Interactive content, new technology.

The old packaging is well past its sell by date and surfers are bored to death with more of the same.

The success of live cams came as no surprise, its a refreshing change and escape from the endless bullshit.

Vick! 05-12-2007 02:35 AM

AFF dumped the Zango ;) lol

tical 05-12-2007 02:45 AM

whatever happened to that one 5.25 drive bay that would suck your cock?

slavdogg 05-12-2007 02:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WonderWoman (Post 12409503)
Mine is more a conceptual but here it goes:

I believe that in order for real innovation to happen in our industry, there has to be more unification. We all TALK about Web 2.0 but havent seen much done about it. Web 2.0 is all about the user and personalization. We all talk smack about the Zangos and Gators of the world however they did have something right in their technology, behavioral targeting and personalization. There are two ways to do this, through downloadable software or tracking cookies. I take it downloadable software is out, so this brings us to tracking cookies and unification.

Personalization is huge and with so many sites in our business, imagine if you could deliver content and products that are in line with what the user is looking for. Marketing studies have shown that conversion rates would definitely increase. But in order to really be able to see what the user is doing, you need to have a broad enough reach which means that cookies need to be placed on MANNNNYYY sites. This is where the "unifying" concept comes in. The technology per se isnt that difficult (see companies like Tacoda and Revenue Science). Its all about the network of sites that you work with. Unfortunately, none of the mainstream companies so far that address personalization would work with our industry.

So here it is..... create a giant network of adult sites that allow us to track the user and their interests across them and customize content, search, products, you name it to their interests.

Not a novel concept, but it involves a pardigm shift. Instead of trying to TELL the user what they want...... let them TELL you.


Great post Lubna
Personalization is the way of the future online, especially mainstream.
However until i see it in action, i dont see how it can benefit adult industry. Call it whatever you wanna call it, web 2.69, Personalization, user generated content its not gonna work in adult for one simple reason. We're selling fantasy, instant jerking off material, instant gratification. When i'm searching for big booty porn, i dont want to see any Personalization shit. I wanna see some asses :)
I'm only speaking from porn selling perspective.

Yes all of the above will work for Cam and Dating sites. So i hope Lars is listening here.

Unless someone comes up with a new way to get porn and that instant gratification we're not gonna see any improvement in the porn industry. So what are we left with than ? An industry with very little growth, huge competition and very little innovation. Fuck, thats a shitty spot to be in.


ps. Lubna, it was nice seeing ya at ad tech


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