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LB-69 01-05-2007 08:46 AM

DRM, good or bad?
 
I hear more and more about DRM, protection of the content, bringing back your "lost" customers and more thing assosiated with DRM. What you guys think on it? Anyone here using it on their sites? Can you really feel the difference after implementation?

DeadFidel 01-05-2007 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by LB-69 (Post 11662781)
I hear more and more about DRM, protection of the content, bringing back your "lost" customers and more thing assosiated with DRM. What you guys think on it? Anyone here using it on their sites? Can you really feel the difference after implementation?

I'll give you a soft b-mp. Haven't heard of it. "bringing back your "lost" customers" and "protection of the content"? Fishy at best. What's the site?

LB-69 01-05-2007 10:17 AM

So anyone? Its DRM that stands for Digital Rights Management not Damn Russian Motherfuckers...:winkwink: Come on !

DeadFidel 01-05-2007 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by LB-69 (Post 11663431)
So anyone? Its DRM that stands for Digital Rights Management not Damn Russian Motherfuckers...:winkwink: Come on !

It was a dry joke and I know what it stood for silly. I was just giving you a plug.:helpme

Fetish Gimp 01-05-2007 10:48 AM

Bill Gates ain't down with DRM
http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/14...future-of-drm/

LB-69 01-05-2007 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by DeadFidel (Post 11663711)
It was a dry joke and I know what it stood for silly. I was just giving you a plug.:helpme

Actually I wrote my joke in the same time as you wrote you first reply, so it wasnt directed to you. Now regarding "bringing back your "lost" customers" and "protection of the content" those are my thought on what DRM can do, not a sales pitch from any site.

Konda 01-05-2007 10:52 AM

I think it depends on your content. If you have truely unique content it is well worth to add DRM to it.
If you only have standard porn, people will go somewhere else if you add DRM to it.

Pimpin_J 01-05-2007 10:53 AM

DRM sucks big time! Just annoying for your customers and if someone wants to share your stuff he can just remove the drm anyway. So its a waste of time.

LB-69 01-05-2007 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Pimpin_J (Post 11663752)
DRM sucks big time! Just annoying for your customers and if someone wants to share your stuff he can just remove the drm anyway. So its a waste of time.

Remove DRM? How it can be done? I heard actually that its strong algorithm, that hard to break.

drjones 01-05-2007 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by LB-69 (Post 11663797)
Remove DRM? How it can be done? I heard actually that its strong algorithm, that hard to break.

No DRM is really that strong. It can help stop "casual piracy", but anyone who puts their mind to it, will be able to do what they wish with your content. If you need to use DRM, it needs to be problem free and transparent to the consumer.

I think we will see a real backlash against it from consumers eventually. After they, say try to copy their iTunes songs that theyve spent hundreds and maybe thousands of dollars on, to their new computer after having gone over their machine limits and things like that. Its kind of a timebomb waiting to happen. At that time I think you'll see a huge demand for DRM free content.

Hell HD-DVD encryption has already been cracked, and BLU-RAY isnt far off, if they havnt already. iTunes DRM has been cracked etc.

directfiesta 01-05-2007 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by LB-69 (Post 11663797)
Remove DRM? How it can be done? I heard actually that its strong algorithm, that hard to break.

peak into the newsgroups...

You will see a ton of stuff with " drm removed " .

I tried it with a posted software and it works ...

BitAudioVideo 01-05-2007 12:07 PM

drm is a pain in the ass, for webmasters, members, and crooks who want to steal your content. drm has been cracked for quite some time, it does not stop anyone who is really motivated.

LB-69 01-05-2007 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by BitAudioVideo (Post 11664242)
drm is a pain in the ass, for webmasters, members, and crooks who want to steal your content. drm has been cracked for quite some time, it does not stop anyone who is really motivated.

I believe most of our members are not "really motivated", otherwise they been looking and finding all the free porn that available around, instead of joining LB-69.

vvq 01-05-2007 07:34 PM

no one cares if drm has been cracked. 99% of your customers won't have a clue.

chaze 01-05-2007 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by LB-69 (Post 11662781)
I hear more and more about DRM, protection of the content, bringing back your "lost" customers and more thing assosiated with DRM. What you guys think on it? Anyone here using it on their sites? Can you really feel the difference after implementation?

it's expensive still and turns off some surfers. I am sure eventually it will be standard but it still needs some work.

LB-69 01-05-2007 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by vvq (Post 11667533)
no one cares if drm has been cracked. 99% of your customers won't have a clue.

Its true, just did some research, the soft that cracks DRM wont let you do it if you dont have the licence for the file in the first place. I cant see my members sitting and cracking the files and releasing it to P2P networks..anyway, still waiting for someone here with first hand experience on that technology.

lot 01-06-2007 04:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Konda (Post 11663746)
I think it depends on your content. If you have truely unique content it is well worth to add DRM to it.
If you only have standard porn, people will go somewhere else if you add DRM to it.

DRM is a growing problem for all users..so, yeah, if the content is unique that DRM is worthwhile to be set up.

aico 01-06-2007 05:00 AM

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Originally Posted by LB-69 (Post 11668551)
Its true, just did some research, the soft that cracks DRM wont let you do it if you dont have the licence for the file in the first place. I cant see my members sitting and cracking the files and releasing it to P2P networks..anyway, still waiting for someone here with first hand experience on that technology.

I used it, then Oystein and what's his face had the "falling out", and the company went away, had to replace all my DRM movies with the Origs.

Was a pain in the ass to do it, only worth it if you're doing Pay Per View if you ask me.

4Man 01-06-2007 05:36 AM

Never hear about that

LB-69 01-06-2007 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by aico (Post 11670278)
I used it, then Oystein and what's his face had the "falling out", and the company went away, had to replace all my DRM movies with the Origs.

Was a pain in the ass to do it, only worth it if you're doing Pay Per View if you ask me.

Have you done/doing pay per view? How much you charge and what ammount of content the customer can get?

EscortBiz 01-06-2007 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by LB-69 (Post 11670960)
Have you done/doing pay per view? How much you charge and what ammount of content the customer can get?

As is movies with no DRM you get members not being able to figure out that their 486 computer with some out of date media player wont play any movies worth anything.

For my pay per view I do 4.95 per clip , I tried per minute I tried higher lower that what works then again other might have luck with other pricing (my ppv site is www.Easyppv.com)

So for PPV I do a 72 hour access for 4.95 and use DRM, only support WMV

gleem 01-06-2007 08:34 AM

yeah, stick DRM on your content and watch surfers bitch and moan your vids won't play, and the ones that can play it will still share it, so you end up with a net gain of almost nothing for going through all that trouble.

Vegas Ken 01-06-2007 08:36 AM

DRM....

The concept is good
The actual use and issues associated with it bad

Paparazzi 01-06-2007 08:39 AM

don't use it, members will be pissed

directfiesta 01-06-2007 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by LB-69 (Post 11668551)
Its true, just did some research, the soft that cracks DRM wont let you do it if you dont have the licence for the file in the first place.


Sure it is true ... I never lie.

Just_Dave 01-06-2007 12:16 PM

drm is great for marketing check out http://www.smutlounge.com

aico 01-06-2007 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Just_Dave (Post 11673582)
drm is great for marketing check out http://www.smutlounge.com

for this I agree.

drjones 01-06-2007 02:16 PM

Some good info here:

http://www.info-mech.com/drm_flaws.html

Turf 01-06-2007 04:20 PM

well drm has some good use but can be a pain in the ass for both users and webmasters..

if you are in a small niche and have some good content it might be worth the hassle though.. as keeping your movies protected from easily being shared can boost your earnings.. the real fans of the niche will stay longer since they cant view the movies after their membership has expired etc.. if that choose to set it up like that, that is..

i know of a company in a small niche that have boosted their earnings by 20% over the last year by using DRM as a protection of their movies.. Eventhoug they lost their mac users, which was just a small % of their users and some of their customers canceled due to problems with DRM etc, they still experienced an overall retention increase and better earnings..

so if you want more info and is looking for a good DRM provider that will help you get started with the project on the right foot you should contact Leon at mediakey.com - he will help you get the project off the ground and make sure that you find the solution and options that is best for your business model etc..

oh, and before anyone acuse me of spamming, i dont work for him but have worked with him on some of our projects and i have never been unhappy about the service mediakey provides..

u-Bob 01-06-2007 06:32 PM

Personally I would never join a site that only offered WMVs.

starpimps 01-06-2007 06:38 PM

there is always around these protections, if anything you will have a big headache trying to keep up with what works and what has been cracked

just a punk 01-06-2007 07:25 PM

Only 2 words: DRM sucks.


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