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Tempest 12-16-2006 07:21 PM

KingHost, XFreeHosting, 3Wisp, CleanAdultHost down. DirectNic is the registrar.
 
Coincidence? You sure you want to trust your business with DirecNic?

I have galleries on there.. So if it is in fact due to them, now they're effecting my business with their actions.

scottybuzz 12-16-2006 07:29 PM

I never visted those sites, but what type of content is on there? same as slicks?

scottybuzz 12-16-2006 07:30 PM

infact they all look like hosting domains, whats going on there?

spacedog 12-16-2006 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scottybuzz (Post 11539679)
infact they all look like hosting domains, whats going on there?

They're all free hosts.

Matt 26z 12-16-2006 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scottybuzz (Post 11539679)
infact they all look like hosting domains, whats going on there?

All owned by the same company. The largest, most reputable freehost. TheHun even allows submits using them.

I would certainly hope DirectNic didn't pull the plug on them. It would be a very dangerous thing if a registrar policed user controlled services.

BoyAlley 12-16-2006 07:43 PM

They don't appear to be on registrar lock, and all use their own private name servers, and although I don't know for sure, I'd say this is probably a connectivity issue with those at this point.

Spudstr 12-16-2006 08:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoyAlley (Post 11539718)
They don't appear to be on registrar lock, and all use their own private name servers, and although I don't know for sure, I'd say this is probably a connectivity issue with those at this point.

looks to be on lock to me.

Domain Name: KINGHOST.COM
Registrar: INTERCOSMOS MEDIA GROUP, INC. D/B/A DIRECTNIC.COM
Whois Server: whois.directnic.com
Referral URL: http://www.directnic.com
Name Server: NS1.KINGHOST.COM
Name Server: NS0.KINGHOST.COM
RRP Status: REGISTRAR-LOCK
Status: clientUpdateProhibited
Status: clientTransferProhibited
Status: clientDeleteProhibited
Updated Date: 20-Oct-2006
Creation Date: 21-Aug-2001
Expiration Date: 21-Aug-2008

stickyfingerz 12-16-2006 08:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spudstr (Post 11539838)
looks to be on lock to me.

Domain Name: KINGHOST.COM
Registrar: INTERCOSMOS MEDIA GROUP, INC. D/B/A DIRECTNIC.COM
Whois Server: whois.directnic.com
Referral URL: http://www.directnic.com
Name Server: NS1.KINGHOST.COM
Name Server: NS0.KINGHOST.COM
RRP Status: REGISTRAR-LOCK
Status: clientUpdateProhibited
Status: clientTransferProhibited
Status: clientDeleteProhibited
Updated Date: 20-Oct-2006
Creation Date: 21-Aug-2001
Expiration Date: 21-Aug-2008

this is about to get nasty folks..... :2 cents:

Spudstr 12-16-2006 08:37 PM

Yeah, all of kinghosts domains are on lock.

Thats pretty fucked up.

stickyfingerz 12-16-2006 08:39 PM

Status: clientTransferProhibited

Status: clientTransferProhibited

Status: clientTransferProhibited

Status: clientTransferProhibited

digifan 12-16-2006 08:39 PM

Even the Hun is accepting galleries on kinghost... what's this world is coming to? ;(

BoyAlley 12-16-2006 08:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spudstr (Post 11539838)
looks to be on lock to me.

Domain Name: KINGHOST.COM
Registrar: INTERCOSMOS MEDIA GROUP, INC. D/B/A DIRECTNIC.COM
Whois Server: whois.directnic.com
Referral URL: http://www.directnic.com
Name Server: NS1.KINGHOST.COM
Name Server: NS0.KINGHOST.COM
RRP Status: REGISTRAR-LOCK
Status: clientUpdateProhibited
Status: clientTransferProhibited
Status: clientDeleteProhibited
Updated Date: 20-Oct-2006
Creation Date: 21-Aug-2001
Expiration Date: 21-Aug-2008

Ah, you're right, sorry about that. I usually use whois.sc and it hasn't reflected these changes yet. I just looked it up directly through internic and it is indeed showing a registrar lock.

JD 12-16-2006 08:41 PM

what the fuck...

digifan 12-16-2006 08:41 PM

Or should I say "used to"?

stickyfingerz 12-16-2006 08:45 PM

wow people should be all over this thread....

SmokeyTheBear 12-16-2006 08:46 PM

wtf kinghost is a pretty damn big adult host , that is going to put a huge crimp in some traffic..

But hey all it takes is anyone to make any allegation and it seems directnic will pull the plug until you prove yourself innocent. :( This is not looking good at all. I have never seen any correlation between cp and the sites mentioned above.

crockett 12-16-2006 08:47 PM

Jesus if this is true Directnic just signed it's death sentence in Adult. I don't see how even the DN ass kissers could still stand behind them if DN shut down more adult sites.

Should be interesting if this turns out to be true.. are you sure the status stuff doesn't just mean the domain is locked?

Spudstr 12-16-2006 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear (Post 11539891)
wtf kinghost is a pretty damn big adult host , that is going to put a huge crimp in some traffic..

But hey all it takes is anyone to make any allegation and it seems directnic will pull the plug until you prove yourself innocent. :( This is not looking good at all. I have never seen any correlation between cp and the sites mentioned above.

Well we have no idea exactly how much pressure DN is getting from the FBI to "look into this" because this is DN's responsibility for selling/controlling the domain.

Maybe DN is getting shit and is covering their ass.

Put yourself in DNs shoes....

mrgica 12-16-2006 08:50 PM

judgment day is coming kids

devilspost 12-16-2006 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crockett (Post 11539895)
Jesus if this is true Directnic just signed it's death sentence in Adult. I don't see how even the DN ass kissers could still stand behind them if DN shut down more adult sites.

Should be interesting if this turns out to be true.. are you sure the status stuff doesn't just mean the domain is locked?

Serge say they will only loose a few k so who cares.:1orglaugh

spasmo 12-16-2006 08:51 PM

Regardless of why they're down, this explains why some of my biggest trades ate shit today. Ugh.

BoyAlley 12-16-2006 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spudstr (Post 11539904)
Well we have no idea exactly how much pressure DN is getting from the FBI to "look into this" because this is DN's responsibility for selling/controlling the domain.

Maybe DN is getting shit and is covering their ass.

Put yourself in DNs shoes....


Here's what one industry attorney has to say about a registrar's legal liability for content appearing on domains:

Quote:

?There?s absolutely no legal liability for the registrar if underage models appear on a website. DirectNIC is an officious intermeddler.?
http://www.freespeechcoalition.com/F...view&coid=1014

SmokeyTheBear 12-16-2006 08:53 PM

i think this is just a glitch unrelated that would be foolish for them..

BoyAlley 12-16-2006 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spasmo (Post 11539917)
Regardless of why they're down,


Yes, let's not jump to TOO many conclusions until we're 100% certain that DirectNic pulled them down for "TOS Violations". Anybody know anyone from KingHost they can contact to end the speculation?

JD 12-16-2006 08:55 PM

ive got a feeling this is going to snowball into some serious shit....

SmokeyTheBear 12-16-2006 08:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spudstr (Post 11539904)
Well we have no idea exactly how much pressure DN is getting from the FBI to "look into this" because this is DN's responsibility for selling/controlling the domain.

Maybe DN is getting shit and is covering their ass.

Put yourself in DNs shoes....


Directnic isnt exactly the biggest fish around and certainly not a very big fish when it comes to shady shit.. I cant see what kind of pressure they could be giving them.. Trying to charge directnic criminally with in some way being complicit in cp would be pretty groundbreaking news in the industry and i would expect they would go for someone larger.. If we allow the DOJ to simply "tell" us whats bad and what isnt , it wont be long before the man behind the curtain tells us what is ok to read see and think..

BoyAlley 12-16-2006 08:56 PM

Hrm. I'm still showing:

Name Server: NS0.KINGHOST.COM
Name Server: NS1.KINGHOST.COM

Don't think we'd be seeing that if DirectNic axed them.....

spasmo 12-16-2006 09:01 PM

They are back up! Woo hoo! (checked kinghost and 3wisp)

datatank 12-16-2006 09:01 PM

Chill out people
http://who.godaddy.com/WhoIs.aspx?do...rog_id=godaddy


NS4.YAHOO.COM
NS5.YAHOO.COM
NS1.YAHOO.COM
NS2.YAHOO.COM
NS3.YAHOO.COM

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Registry Status: REGISTRAR-LOCK
Registry Status: clientUpdateProhibited
Registry Status: clientTransferProhibited
Registry Status: clientDeleteProhibited

spasmo 12-16-2006 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoyAlley (Post 11539937)
Hrm. I'm still showing:

Name Server: NS0.KINGHOST.COM
Name Server: NS1.KINGHOST.COM

Don't think we'd be seeing that if DirectNic axed them.....

Yeah. Seems to have been a coincidence. Glad everybody didn't jump their shit before knowing anything.

Brujah 12-16-2006 09:05 PM

LOL people.. wow..

REGISTRAR-LOCK is normal.

You would be looking for active domains turning to REGISTRAR-HOLD.

BoyAlley 12-16-2006 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brujah (Post 11539956)
LOL people.. wow..

REGISTRAR-LOCK is normal.

You would be looking for active domains turning to REGISTRAR-HOLD.


Yeah, everything's looking normal. Only thing that got me confused for a minute is the difference in status between several whois databases. They must have been actively making changes.

directfiesta 12-16-2006 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 11539887)
wow people should be all over this thread....

no drama

Tempest 12-16-2006 10:28 PM

Back up.. hopefully it had nothing to do with DirectNic.. on the other hand I can see this exact type of thing happening.

BigDeanEvans 12-16-2006 11:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by devilspost (Post 11539914)
Serge say they will only loose a few k so who cares.:1orglaugh

well my 500+ domains are gone after this

[Dan] 12-16-2006 11:27 PM

Sorry guys, it's not Directnic related.. Cogent had a fiber cut at 8:05am which isolated the Montreal network from the rest of the Net, it lasted ~15 hours!! What's unfortunate is we're in the process of turning up BGP sessions with our providers and a couple of days later this outage wouldn't have affected us.

However I must point out the recent Directnic drama had us wondering, as you can imagine it happens from time to time in the freehosting business that we receive cp complaints (it's very rare and we review uploads by our members but we can always miss some stuff). I'm not sure how they would react if they were cc'ed one of the complaints.

BTW thanks for your worries :)

spasmo 12-16-2006 11:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigDeanEvans (Post 11540420)
well my 500+ domains are gone after this

There is nothing to indicate that this incident had anything to do with DirectNIC. :2 cents:

Edit: What Dan said above.

madawgz 12-17-2006 01:34 AM

everything seems to be working now, thats good :)

pornonada 12-17-2006 02:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by [Dan] (Post 11540470)
However I must point out the recent Directnic drama had us wondering, as you can imagine it happens from time to time in the freehosting business that we receive cp complaints (it's very rare and we review uploads by our members but we can always miss some stuff):)

I'am not a free host expert, but i could imagine that exactly NOBODY or in digits, 0%, of the webmasters using your free service and hosting his galleries or whatever with you have the 2257 docs and papers for the content he has on his galleries/your host. This said, i doubt you EVER will be able to be confirm with the DirectNic TOS, means again that some simple complaints from one of your competitors, from an asshole, from a self declared internet censorist or someone just boring and writing complains all the day can/should/could bring down your whole internet business. Having in mind that you/your company is the Registrant i guess the DirectNic legal department will contact you for age verifications and similars.
Having in mind that on Slick's sites are about 200 galleries per site i guess there are 10.000's if not 100.000's or even more galleries and sites on your host(s).

Quote:

Originally Posted by '[Dan
; I'm not sure how they would react if they were cc'ed one of the complaints.

Someone can only guess and imagine what would and could happen. But i wonder if people really feel comfortable asking themself such question: " I'am not sure what would be happe?". I guess free hosting is a lucrative business, i also guess you made major investements and whatever not and i guess that a termination of your account/domains for a week or so could/would bring down your whole business.

I don't understand why someone is risking that much only due a domain registration which is in the US$ 10 range. Furthermore there is NOT 1 point in their TOS, NOT 1 argument that they are better as any other registar, even reverse. If you compare their TOS with other Registrars TOS's you will see that you are nothing more than someone having rights to pay at time.
Something to think about in my opinion and take the time to read different TOS's.

Angelslinks 12-17-2006 03:32 AM

Quote:

There is nothing to indicate that this incident had anything to do with DirectNIC
Well,
Once you rape someone you will always be "guilty" for all rapes in the area for a loooooong time.

spasmo 12-17-2006 03:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Angelslinks (Post 11541385)
Well,
Once you rape someone you will always be "guilty" for all rapes in the area for a loooooong time.

Thanks for quoting me out of context.

[Dan] 12-17-2006 09:52 AM

Pornonada, I agree with you on some points. However to be fair I must point out that in the past, Directnic has been cc'ed some complaints for our freehosts (however they were copyright infringments if memory serves me right), and we didn't hear from their legal dept. Their policy might have changed recently however... There is also the risk of changing to another registrar that will be even quicker to shutdown sites, there's a top registrar that has been known to be quick on the trigger. Finally we've been with Directnic since they were reselling for OpenSRS and we never had any problems, it's sometimes not easy to break a 5-6 years, trouble free, business relation.

You're right that if we were down for a week, it would be a disaster for our business. Freehosts are already hanging by a string (honest ones that is); you might think there is a lot of money in it, and it was true at some point in the past (maybe in 2001-2002), but it's very hard to turn a profit these days unless you know exactly what you're doing and you're big enough to buy sizable commits. We were down for a week a while back, it was during the whole hosting.fm/cologroup/pimpshost debacle and you can't imagine how much it hurt.. Needless to say it's not an experience we'd like to reproduce..

LadyMischief 12-17-2006 10:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spudstr (Post 11539904)
Well we have no idea exactly how much pressure DN is getting from the FBI to "look into this" because this is DN's responsibility for selling/controlling the domain.

Maybe DN is getting shit and is covering their ass.

Put yourself in DNs shoes....

If that's the case you'd think the feds would follow up with the domain registrants in question, no?

RawAlex 12-17-2006 11:03 AM

Directnic is also hiding Bin Ladin and has the real recipe for Coke at their office... and they know the Caramilk secret too.

Peaches 12-17-2006 11:19 AM

What's amazing about this is LadyMischief AFTER reading this thread posted this on another board:

Originally Posted by LadyMischief View Post
Guess it doesn't matter what the legal rights are or what anyone things. Looks like DirectNIC just axed a freehost and all their domains are in registrar-lock as well.

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=687480

Should be interesting to see who's next.


Yes, AFTER she read this thread AND after she posted after Dan explained that not only wasn't this DirectNic's problem, he trusts DirectNic!

I swear, I wonder about some people motives. :(

LadyMischief 12-17-2006 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peaches (Post 11542294)
What's amazing about this is LadyMischief AFTER reading this thread posted this on another board:

Originally Posted by LadyMischief View Post
Guess it doesn't matter what the legal rights are or what anyone things. Looks like DirectNIC just axed a freehost and all their domains are in registrar-lock as well.

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=687480

Should be interesting to see who's next.


Yes, AFTER she read this thread AND after she posted after Dan explained that not only wasn't this DirectNic's problem, he trusts DirectNic!

I swear, I wonder about some people motives. :(



Motives? I could care less. My point was it doesn't matter who was ACTUALLY right or wrong, they are doing what they are doing anyways. :P

Drake 12-17-2006 11:44 AM

Just as an aside, why is it that all registrars are US based? Or are there non-US domain registrars?

Dvae 12-17-2006 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spudstr (Post 11539904)
Well we have no idea exactly how much pressure DN is getting from the FBI to "look into this" because this is DN's responsibility for selling/controlling the domain.

Maybe DN is getting shit and is covering their ass.

Put yourself in DNs shoes....

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d1...75/Altoids.jpg

Webby 12-17-2006 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike33 (Post 11542351)
Just as an aside, why is it that all registrars are US based? Or are there non-US domain registrars?

They're not Mike - tho plenty spamming of the ICANN registry list in North America generally - ie the same people stuffing up multiple corp fronts and qualifying as another registrar.

There are registrars all over the place, Korea, Austria, India, Span, Germany, UK, Netherlands, China, France ad nausea....

Peaches 12-17-2006 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LadyMischief (Post 11542343)
Motives? I could care less. My point was it doesn't matter who was ACTUALLY right or wrong, they are doing what they are doing anyways. :P

THEY AREN'T DOING ANYTHING HERE! Geeeze. For the reading impaired:

Sorry guys, it's not Directnic related.. Cogent had a fiber cut at 8:05am which isolated the Montreal network from the rest of the Net, it lasted ~15 hours!! What's unfortunate is we're in the process of turning up BGP sessions with our providers and a couple of days later this outage wouldn't have affected us.

However I must point out the recent Directnic drama had us wondering, as you can imagine it happens from time to time in the freehosting business that we receive cp complaints (it's very rare and we review uploads by our members but we can always miss some stuff). I'm not sure how they would react if they were cc'ed one of the complaints.

BTW thanks for your worries


Then again:

Pornonada, I agree with you on some points. However to be fair I must point out that in the past, Directnic has been cc'ed some complaints for our freehosts (however they were copyright infringments if memory serves me right), and we didn't hear from their legal dept. Their policy might have changed recently however... There is also the risk of changing to another registrar that will be even quicker to shutdown sites, there's a top registrar that has been known to be quick on the trigger. Finally we've been with Directnic since they were reselling for OpenSRS and we never had any problems, it's sometimes not easy to break a 5-6 years, trouble free, business relation.

You're right that if we were down for a week, it would be a disaster for our business. Freehosts are already hanging by a string (honest ones that is); you might think there is a lot of money in it, and it was true at some point in the past (maybe in 2001-2002), but it's very hard to turn a profit these days unless you know exactly what you're doing and you're big enough to buy sizable commits. We were down for a week a while back, it was during the whole hosting.fm/cologroup/pimpshost debacle and you can't imagine how much it hurt.. Needless to say it's not an experience we'd like to reproduce..


And then you go to another board 12 hours after Dan said it had NOTHING to do with DirectNic and post that DirectNic took them down??!! WTF??! :disgust


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