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Varius 10-25-2006 11:57 AM
Conference Call with Zango today!
 
While many companies have opposed their practices, while others seem to endorse it or not care, IwantU.com doesn't like to just sit around (we prefer to lay there unconscious LOL) :winkwink:

I have a conf. call with Zango today in an effort to get something done regarding our keywords/affiliates.

I'll keep you all updated :thumbsup

Pimpin_J 10-25-2006 12:05 PM
good news! :)

MikesTraffic 10-25-2006 12:07 PM
the most that will happen is the people that buy traffic from them will switch to an affiliate program that doesnt care as long as they get paid

Varius 10-25-2006 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by MikesTraffic (Post 11153375)
the most that will happen is the people that buy traffic from them will switch to an affiliate program that doesnt care as long as they get paid
That's a good point, but we unfortunately can't control what other programs will do....hopefully enough people will realize that if something can be done, they will drop programs who don't care to do anything.

squishypimp 10-25-2006 12:18 PM
sig spot.

MarkMan 10-25-2006 12:23 PM
hmm good idea

let us know

JD 10-25-2006 12:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by squishypimp (Post 11153462)
sig spot.

well placed sig spot

OzMan 10-25-2006 12:25 PM
what's the number and time , I promise I won't even so much as cough during the call

Varius 10-26-2006 10:35 AM
UPDATE

Not much got done yet from this call, I'm now waiting on them to go to higher "higher ups", etc.....

However should this attempt fall through, we have a Plan B that will be a lot less 'friendly'...then, well if it has to go to Plan C that involves missing bodies and crocodiles :1orglaugh :winkwink:

RawAlex 10-26-2006 10:39 AM
Varius, I personally think you would be on fairly strong legal ground to require them to stop selling clicks based on your domains as a trigger. There is a concept of "interfering with a business relationship" specifically between you and your customers and you and your affiliates.

If this "attempt" fails, I would highly recommend you get with a good lawyer who understands this sort of thing, look up past settlements and arrangements made (see some of the gain/gator stuff on google) and move forward to protect your business and affiliates from asterixware poachers.

More power to you for trying!

ryuken 10-26-2006 10:43 AM
Give them Hell Keith!

Varius 10-26-2006 10:49 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RawAlex (Post 11160384)
Varius, I personally think you would be on fairly strong legal ground to require them to stop selling clicks based on your domains as a trigger. There is a concept of "interfering with a business relationship" specifically between you and your customers and you and your affiliates.

If this "attempt" fails, I would highly recommend you get with a good lawyer who understands this sort of thing, look up past settlements and arrangements made (see some of the gain/gator stuff on google) and move forward to protect your business and affiliates from asterixware poachers.

More power to you for trying!
This is Plan B :upsidedow

will76 10-26-2006 11:35 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Varius (Post 11160346)
UPDATE

Not much got done yet from this call, I'm now waiting on them to go to higher "higher ups", etc.....

However should this attempt fall through, we have a Plan B that will be a lot less 'friendly'...then, well if it has to go to Plan C that involves missing bodies and crocodiles :1orglaugh :winkwink:
Contact this guy. He is the one you want to talk to. Tell him " Will76" sent you.

Stan Monlux

Sr. Director of Business Development

425-279-1141

[email protected]


And before some of you whin about private info being posted, He did send this to me through email but I checked and it matches the info on their site, so it is public info.

Various Stan is the guy you want to talk to.

If you guys have iwantu trademarked then it would be an open shut case.

Do some research on Gator. Here is one article from a couple years ago... What Gator was doing sounds familar ? ;)

Quote:
Originally Posted by http://pcworld.com/article/id,109305-page,1/article.html
A lawsuit filed last July by seven major news organizations to stop pop-up online advertising company Gator from displaying its ads on their Web sites has been settled, but the outcome has been sealed by the court.

That means that there will be no public announcement of whether the result favored Gator or the seven news organizations.

The lawsuit alleged that Redwood City, California-based Gator piggybacked off their Web sites by placing pop-up ads that compete with the advertising that the sites sell. The plaintiffs were the Washington Post, Dow Jones, Tribune Interactive, the New York Times, Knight Ridder, Advance Publications, and Gannett. The publishers said they have 15 Web sites among them that draw millions of viewers monthly.

Gator attorney Janet Cullum Monday confirmed that a settlement was reached last week, but added that all details are to remain confidential under an agreement by the parties. Cullum had no additional comment on the settlement.

Online Conflicts
The suit alleged that Gator displays ads that directly compete with services and products offered by the plaintiffs' Web sites. For instance, the suit says Gator displayed an ad for travel Web site Travelocity.com on a plaintiff-owned Web site--Concierge.com--that offered discount travel deals similar to those promoted by Travelocity.com.

Gator chief executive officer and president Jeff McFadden couldn't be reached for comment Monday.

Gator's software and other programs like it often come bundled with other applications that users download, such as file-sharing software or media players. The software can then track users' surfing habits and display content, such as ads, that most users are unaware have no connection with the site they are viewing.

A similar lawsuit was filed in November by the Six Continents Hotels and Inter-Continental Hotels chains, which also alleged that Gator illegally added its pop-up ads to their Web sites, leading to confusion for customers.

will76 10-26-2006 11:40 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RawAlex (Post 11160384)
Varius, I personally think you would be on fairly strong legal ground to require them to stop selling clicks based on your domains as a trigger. There is a concept of "interfering with a business relationship" specifically between you and your customers and you and your affiliates.

If this "attempt" fails, I would highly recommend you get with a good lawyer who understands this sort of thing, look up past settlements and arrangements made (see some of the gain/gator stuff on google) and move forward to protect your business and affiliates from asterixware poachers.

More power to you for trying!
Yeap, here you have it. iwantu (no disrespect to them) but a company that makes a lot less then AFF wants to do something about this. Lars from AFF (100million++) a year company doesn't want to protect his trade mark because he said it would be too expensive to do so.

IwantU, going above and beyond. Thanks.:thumbsup

Varius 10-26-2006 11:46 AM
Thanks for the info Will :thumbsup

Yes we do own the trademark on our domain name, which is why I can't see why they'd not agree to disallow bids on our domain. I guess they feel we wouldn't pursue any action because we are in Costa Rica, however we do have incorporation in USA, Canada and the UK as well :)

I will see what Stan says though, hopefully for all involved they'll just agree with us lon before it has to go any further.

marketsmart 10-26-2006 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Varius (Post 11160346)
missing bodies and crocodiles :1orglaugh :winkwink:
:Oh crap :Oh crap

Varius 10-26-2006 11:52 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by marketsmart (Post 11160878)
:Oh crap :Oh crap
Don't worry, that's only Plan C a last resort heheheheh...we *almost* never have had to resort to that before :winkwink:

Manowar 10-26-2006 12:25 PM
hopefully this will bring good news

jayeff 10-26-2006 12:31 PM
It guess it won't happen, but wouldn't it be wonderful poetic justice if in the end the only worthwhile domain name AFF could bid on was their own :)

mortenb 10-26-2006 12:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Varius (Post 11153276)
While many companies have opposed their practices, while others seem to endorse it or not care, IwantU.com doesn't like to just sit around (we prefer to lay there unconscious LOL) :winkwink:

I have a conf. call with Zango today in an effort to get something done regarding our keywords/affiliates.

I'll keep you all updated :thumbsup
Nice
One more that will be recieving traffic from my network.

Good going guys.

NaughtyAce 10-26-2006 01:47 PM
Let me know what happens guys. Haven't tested out to see if they are popping over Naughty America pages yet, but we do not condone use of Zango and if we find someone is using it for promotions we will shut down their account.

mikeyddddd 10-26-2006 03:06 PM
Sic 'em!

DateDoc 10-28-2006 06:50 AM
bump....

fallenmuffin 10-28-2006 06:54 AM
Thank god for IwantU... at least they are taking some kind of action to prevent any more Zango bullshit. This is why I love iwantu. Standing up for me and all the other affiliates.

Troels 10-28-2006 07:07 AM
Good PR value.
I think it's time to send you guys some serious traffic to show support.

Varius 10-28-2006 11:29 AM
Just an update, as Zango now seems to ignore our emails/phone calls, we will be officially sending them a registered letter requesting removal of our trademarks.

Should they still deny our friendly request, we WILL take the next step and pursue.

CaptainHowdy 10-28-2006 11:32 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Varius (Post 11175465)
Just an update, as Zango now seems to ignore our emails/phone calls, we will be officially sending them a registered letter requesting removal of our trademarks.

Should they still deny our friendly request, we WILL take the next step and pursue.
Go get 'em :mad: !!

RawAlex 10-28-2006 12:16 PM
Step B in progress... I can't wait for Step C.

Bring on the gators.

Alex

scottybuzz 10-28-2006 12:22 PM
sigspot/.

MarkMan 10-28-2006 12:53 PM
hmm.. thats so stupid of them to ignore such a request

if this goes to court they will be in it deeper then they might think

Varius 10-28-2006 01:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkMan (Post 11175885)
hmm.. thats so stupid of them to ignore such a request

if this goes to court they will be in it deeper then they might think
Maybe they are overconfident because they did win their last case...but that was under much different circumstances, against someone who decided to drop the case because he couldn't get enough support for his class action attempt.

We are not going after any class action, we simply will enforce/protect our trademarks.

will76 10-28-2006 11:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Varius (Post 11175942)
Maybe they are overconfident because they did win their last case...but that was under much different circumstances, against someone who decided to drop the case because he couldn't get enough support for his class action attempt.

We are not going after any class action, we simply will enforce/protect our trademarks.
Their last case was 100% different. Computer "users" were sueing because their "adware" was put on their computers without their permission and had caused damages to their pc.

Give you a little update from the attornies I talked to over the last couple weeks. It seems none of them want to take on a class action lawsuit on behalf of affiliates/website owners who are having traffic and sales stolen. Personally I think it is easier to show business interference and theft being caused to us then trying to prove damage caused to a surfers computer but for some reason they must see that differently.

Now this is interesting for AFF/ SexSearch, and all who openly use zango and steal traffic from their affiliates... The attornies I spoke with were VERY interested in going after sponsors on behalf of their affiliates. Another reason why sponsors should stop doing business with spyware and stealing from their affiliates.

For you guys, it should be an open shut case. They are tageting your trademark. Look at what potterybarn is doing to AFF. If potterybarn will not allow you to put "potterybarn" in the meta tags of your own site (for fear that you might try to steal their traffic and tarnish their name) What in the hell do you think Zango is doing. It's 10x worse. They are putting your name on their site to allow hundreds of people to steal thousands of thousands of your hits (traffic) a day. They are also tarishing your name by associating it with something that more people then not see as spyware, that pops up on their pc (which they hate and beats their pop up blocker) etc..

Have your attorney read up on the gator cases, it is exactly the same that zango is doing. Once you take down 1 of these spyware companies the rest should fold quick when you contact them to remove your name from their site.

marketsmart 10-29-2006 12:02 AM
there is going to be another nice announcement soon... i wish i could give more detaisl but i cant... i will say that some people are going to be very sad by the announcement....


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