This NoCarrier BS is getting under my skin
 

This absurd auction should be ended. I'm going to stick my head out there and raise my voice, though I know it will likely get cut off by the left wing nutters on here. But I'm speaking for many. I'm sure many participants in the auction would not want to donate money or sig space to this cause now that it's become a farce. Yet how will they look if they back out now? Classic bait-and-switch. Allow me to quote my other post.

This is why they invented savings and insurance. Many people face hardships in their lives. In fact, most people do. I do not see the urgent need for you to receive >$16000 in charity. I hate to call this a bait-and-switch but that's what it seems like. I could understand if you had to go to the US for treatment, but contrary to popular belief, we have very competent doctors in Canada. I myself have donated over $5000 to Sick Kids in Toronto since 2000.

I find this whole thing shameful.

thank god i live in canada where everything is covered ;)

You moron, nobody asked you to donate. Gave some and want it back? Just say the number and i will reimburse you. Idiot.

I'm with you. Donating (as much as possible) because a kid needs very expensive surgery in another country asap is one thing but getting 20k+ while the surgery is covered by insurance is insane.

I totally understand how he needs money but is that up to us to pay for it? This is not about an insanely priced surgery anymore! This is stuff you try to fix with your family, friends, banks, etc.

Something we all have or had to do at one point in our life. At least most of us.

So why is it a farce?

Expenses arent covered, he faces a huge medical bill and cant pay it. Id beg 24/7 and sell my left nut if I had to for my own kid.

Id love to see you in a situation like that and get a judgement like this.

Um, perhaps you missed the part where they were asking for donations. I don't think anyone wants or needs or has asked for your money grumpy - so shut the fuck up.

he means its up to you to donate or not - thats all

Yeah, I'm not getting all of the hate. The man needs help, and serveral people are willing to help him and his family. Why is this any of your business? It's not!

i thought nocarrier said the surgery is covered...

I have not been keeping up with any of this, but as a side note, if you don't have the best insurance in the world for your child and some money put away for disasters, you should rethink your priorities. Your family is all that should matter. Prepare for the worst.

NoCarrier is very lucky that he does have this community to help him, whatever the money may help him with. No need to hate on him. People can make up their own mind if they want to help or not.

I wish him and his family the best of luck with all of this.

Not to take NC's side... but, I know if my child was in the same situation, I'd be in serious trouble.
In an ideal world, everyone would have savings and insurance to cover not working for an indefinite amount of time, but this is far from a perfect world.

Should we all be prepared for such an eventuality? Of course. Is it always possible? Definitely not.

The fact of the matter is that in todays society, either you have money or you don't. In between is hard to come by. You are born with debt, and only encouraged to increase that over time.

Even someone who does very well to avoid debt still isn't guaranteed to be able to save enough to be out of work for months at a time.

So no, it's not the ideal situation. No, he shouldn't need help in such a difficult time. But he does.

You'd have done it differently, good for you. Many would have. But his situation is that of many many parents all over the country, the continent.. the world. You're in Toronto?? Pay a visit to the sick kids hospital and ask the parents you find there how many were prepared to spend a year or more in the hospital without an income. I'd be impressed if you find very many.

So tell you what... you save up, so you don't need my help. In the meantime, don't tell me what I can and can't do for those who do need my help.

If his child is sick and he needs my help, no matter what he *should have done*, then let me choose whether I will or won't help.

It is.

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The $$$ is for him and his wife to take time off work to attend to the child, not for the surgery.

Boom.

My only reservation is that he jumped the gun a little by posting right away that he needed thousands upon thousand of dollars to get little Samuel treated. Now it seems its gonna be done for free. Thats great, I'm glad the kid is gonna be ok. I couldn't imagine being in that situation, although I don't have kids, I still would never wish this upon anyone.

I agree with both sides of the arguement in some respect. Nocarrier borrowed $25K from a bank. I would have thought that might be enough to see his family through a difficult time.

I seriously wish him and his family all the best tho. If people still want to donate out of the goodness of their hearts who are you or anyone else for that matter to say differently?

Unlike what some people seem to think...the kid will get all the help he needs without these donations!!!

Right now you are donating for stuff like travel expenses, nocarriers wife stopping with her work and nocarrier working less. This is not up to us to pay for!

People get all emo because a kid is involved and "what would you do if your kid was in this situation" yes Bob, like you i would give my left nut and my right nut too but this kid is gonne get all the help he needs already!!!

Stop thinking with your emotions for a minute start thinking rational. This is not about the kits health anymore!!!

uhuh I know - thats how it turned out, cause job doesnt pay when he leaves. Most of us here who work 24/7 on adult keep getting money through signups etc so it will affect less.

So its up to each and his own now to ask for a refund or ok it, still dont see why anyone should make a drama out of this. Its not like NC knew it was covered. He posted in desperation, I would too.

It isnt I know - well if anyone gave 5k and want it back, email the guy and tell him, Im sure he totally understands.

His focus is on getting his kid through surgery right now - nothing else.

This is what it all boils down to now.
very well said.

If I were NoCarrier I would think long and fucking hard about how this looks.

same here...

Thats's what im saying, the family needs the $$$ still because of other costs such as attending to the child and so forth that aren't paid for by OHIP.

This argument seems to be the only one your camp has going for it. And it runs along the same lines as "Well you're entitled to your opinion". Stop pointing out the obvious. We are discussing the merits of the situation not whether people should donate or not.

do yself a favor and get the hell outa here - this is a thread about sympathy and an Isuck rep doesnt belong here

Do you realize how many families need $$$? Shall we a start a donation thread for every one of them?

Yeah but its not about helping everyone, its about helping someone

Why don't you get yourself the fuck out of MY thread. Why the hell are you attacking people on your side? Shows how bright you all are.

How about you all fuck off and get out of this thread so i can post in peace :)

:1orglaugh yeah that was kinda funny

Well you have a big problem with it. If you cant miss the donation you made i will do it for you. You are the ones havving problems. So just tell me the amount of dollars you donated and i will take care you get it back.

Fuck off Mr. Showmanship. You're drawing a lot of assumptions there pal.

You want your money back to? You guys are such a bunch of cheap bastards. Start worrying about your own lives and money.

You don't make any fucking sense.

The thing that I find funny is that you guys truly think that you're the ONLY ones who can figure out that his medical costs are covered and that the rest of the money just goes to him personally.

How ignorant do you think everyone is anyway? I mean, I know the stereotype on GFY is to think no one can read and most live with their parents... but seriously, I know where the money is going from the auction.

I'm a big boy. I can choose whether to continue on with this or not.

Oh, please enlight me your great one.
Still havent told us about your donation.

where you ever treated for your eggnog stunt?

edit : HA he removed his Ibill sales rep sig - ok I get it now :winkwink:

I think the people that don't want to donate are cool as well. I've got no beef against anybody...it's your decision what you do....

I do get the feeling that both sides are slagging each other of for their different views and that's pretty sad.

If you don't want to donate, then don't and shut the fuck up
If you want to donate then do, please fucking do and shut the fuck up about the ones that don't.

This way, NoCarrier can or can't get some needy help without having to reply to all the posts...let him spend time with his kid and family instead of wasting time replying to posts trying to defend his righteous cause.

Is it so hard to understand that some people wanted to donate... even AFTER they found out that the kid was going to be treated for free

It's actually quite simple, if you don't want to donate don't then!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Chio said it best http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=659975

I'd rather voice my opinion when I see something this tragic happening. If you are so keen on people shutting the fuck up then why don't you set a good example?

Very childish....

I was trying to make a point here clearly not clear enough for you.

If you donate or don't, you're still cool.
It's a personal decision and I don't understand what good it does to show off if you donate or to bitch about the people that have or support the cause.

that's all.

I'm not here to belittle anyone. I just think you should take some of your own advice. So yeah, shut the fuck up.

Threads like this confirm how fucked up this place is...

all donation threads have somehow fired back whether its a little like this one or huge with real scammers. Thats why i never donate any money to anyone.

Totally off topic...who is the chick in your sig?

hum....
well this just shows we are not alll alike..

its from where the boys arent 15 i dont know who it is

If it was my son whose life was on the line, I would do ANYTHING to give him a chance. Seeking needed donations on a message board hardly would be something that would be below me at that point.

Could not agree with you more. My heart goes out to NC and his son, but if your medical expenses are covered fully and you are financially strapped, then you should ask relatives and friends. Not go on a board and say my son has a brain tumor which will be fully covered by insurance, but I need money to live.

I have been in a similar situation and my parents and family helped me out greatly fortunately. I think it is in poor taste to ask strangers to pay for your living expenses and try to mask it as paying for a surgery that is fully covered.

Agreed 100%. Could not be more right on this one. :thumbsup :thumbsup

AARGHH his son is taken care off!!! This is not about his son being in a situation where he needs out money to survive.

See, this is exactly my problem. Your emotions are taking over just like 99% of the people in this thread. I would do anything in my power if something happened to (my future) son, even beg on messageboards. I'm not saying that is wrong!!!!. What is wrong is that he is getting money for stuff that he should fix on his own in my opinion. Read and think damnit. It isnt that hard.

Yes, i would ask for donations if i couldnt pay for my sons surgery, ofcourse. Hell no i would ask for donations for expenses like traveling costs etc. I would go to the bank and get a loan or contact family or whatever.

How hard is it to understand what i am saying.

what happened with the 25k bank loan anyway ?
That should be enough to cover the expenses for a while.