Day one, NC was going to have to travel to Texas. So it all started out with a realistic big need for Samuel. No problem. Then the situation changed with time. Turned into a bit of a mess. Atleast this what appears to of happened.

I wonder where the best treatment would be??? Canada or Texas?

If it were me, I'd put all the donations aside for the kid incase the situation changes and I'd be prepared to give an accounting.

Great sugestion, but the question is : do you want your donation back?

Frank, you're scum. Seriously dude, why can't you just let this go? If people here on GFY want to donate to a worthy cause, why do you feel the need to knock it at every turn? Maybe they don't need the money for the kids surgery now, but I bet the money will make things a whole lot easier on them financially when it comes to all the missed work and travel expenses. That will make it much easier for the parents to concentrate on what's important...getting the kid the treatment that he needs.

I don't care if you donate a cent, Frank, that's your decision. But please quit trying to discourage those of us that want to help from doing something that we feel is right. I think by now everyone knows what the cash is going for, for God's sake, you've posted enough times that everyone should know. But guess what...people still want to help. You know what the says to me? That says that most people on here have a heart. Too bad you aren't one of them.

You dont have to give. But it looks your in big need of that money. So how much is it. My offer still stands.

Just pray your never ever the same situation and in need of money.

:thumbsup :thumbsup

Hes a bit short of cash.

It's pretty simple
If you want to donate-donate
If you don't-don't
No one is forcing anyone to give money to anything they're not comfortable with.

Situations change.

As I recall, it didn't take long for No Carrier to come to the boards to ask that all donations stop because the situation changed.

Those who wanted to continue to donate did. It was a personal and individual choice we made to tell No Carrier to keep the money.

His child's needs may go further than a bank loan, the help of family, if he has family to help....and what insurance and the medical system covers and doesn't cover.

Maybe the kid just needs a teddy bear. Maybe he'll need expensive special foods or equipment that isn't covered.

In the meantime, this is a two year old child who is being poked and prodded by scary doctors. He has a father who is feeling overwhelmed and who can blame him?



I don't understand why this has turned into such a mess.

Why is that?

I hope that never will happen but this stuff happens to a lot of people. But what are you trying to say?

Why??? Give me one good reason why i'm scum you faggot!

just to see through wich loops you will jump to get the money you need together. Its not just for the operation, there are a lot of secundary costs involved to. But my offer still stands.

True!!! Do the people that this pisses off have kids? If not, someday you may come to understand. If so, then ask for a refund, NC will probably be glad to give it.

You cant either give always or give never.That's depend on your personality.

Because you are trying to discourage well meaning...

Fuck it, nevermind. I'm through with you. It's stupid to argue with someone like you...so I'm done. You just want attention.

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It seems it is the same tight gfy retards who are fighting... again. If you dont want to donate. dont donate. If you do, then do.

I am happy selling my sig because No carrier is going to have a hard time over the next few months, maybe even years. and I feel my sig is worth $160. Im having a pretty big sales month, so I think I can spare a potental $160 for someone whos having a bad time.

Am I to assume that NoCarrier doesn't have health insurance? If so, why isn't the insurance company covering the cost of this? If not, I have to ask a simple question, try not to take offense..

WHO THE FUCK HAS KIDS AND NO HEALTH INSURANCE?!?!?!?

I want say you can always give when someone ask you for money or never give.Until today,i was always give money to anyone no matter does i know him good or not.Today one of my friends call me and ask me do i have money to lend.I told him i dont,and i lie.I simply lost toomuch money with lending and i simply dont want give/lend money no matter one cause.Ah and one more example,i was give 500$ for wireless equipement(strong antens and other)for one association and they now standing on roof and they are not active.I was simply conclude there is no more sense give money to anyone for any no matter which cause beacuse they can spend money for nothing or not return it.

Doubled post.

It hasn't turned into a mess at all. Donations were asked to stop, and instead to donate your sig for a month in the auction thread.


The "mess" appears to be made by those that have a grievance with NC receiving some money, initially from donations and now by a large auction taking place.

The current high bidder in the auction is from a someone whose child went through, and died, of the same. They will get my sig for a month. It costs me nothing to donate my sig for a month. The high bidder and eventual winner has their reasons. The money goes to help NC. The high bidder gets good sig placement and a good feel-good factor. Everyone wins. Nobody loses.

There are clearly noses that have been put out of joint by this, particularly the auction. Those noses shouldn't have been stuck in there in the first place.

fuck all the people who waste their time hating on someone because they are scared...

Nocarrier didnt ask for all this attention. A bunch of people started rallying the troops to help out once they found out the news..

Regardless of if the surgery is covered .. looking after a son with a brain tumour is EXPENSIVE . period end of story.. should everyone be prepared ? yes .. are they ? no . should everyone have a calm collected plan when they find out their son has a brain tumour and go about asking for help in the perfect way ? yes.. do they ? no..

Fact is its a scary thought process and nocarrier was clearly scared and worried for his son..

as with all donation threads. if you dont wanna give dont.. fuck this endless drama everytime someone has a problem..

That's the mess to which I refer....the noses out of joint.

A kid is sick. A concerned father asks for help. People decide to donate.

Father learns there is another alternative.

Requests donations stop.

People decide to give or not give. Or use sig to help auction or whatever.

Seems pretty simple to me.

Yet, thread after thread concerning this topic....continues.

I was writing a long post but deleted it and said fuck it, not worth getting into a debate again

good luck to your son NoCarrier, I hope your sons tumor will be healed since that's what matters the most here

Ok, I wanted to stay out of all this but with how far it is going I have to give my opinion. Needing money to help someone survive is one thing, needing money to pay bills afterwards is another. I don't know NoCarrier so I'm not going to bash him, but bro, when you make money, put a percentage aside for situations like this.

As for the auction, this was a very stupid idea. Do you all realize how many more people are going to start coming out with their personal problems asking for help? This just gave everyone the excuse to try. This means thats the amount of scammers are going to increase. If you DON'T offer to bid or offer your sig in other auctions, you will be considered heartless, racist, whatever, because you bid in one auction and not the other.

All in all, I'm sorry for your son NoCarrier, I hope he gets better, but you shouldn't have brought it to the board, there are always alternatives. This is going to cause significant changes in how GFY operates.

A donation by definition is given volantarily.

All the haters needed to do to make a point was not give anything. Why was all this shit neccicary?

Just people trying to grab thier 15 minutes.

What world are you living in? Get a reality check, man!

"Should have some money put away..." Yeah, right. If you have 10 or 15 grand put away for emergencies it won't get you shit for medical treatment. A brain surgeon won't even shake your hand for that.
My sister had a minor laproscopy and was in the hospital for two days, it costed about 9500 bucks. Brain surgery and treatment over months or years can easily run multiple six figures. Insurances may cover the surgery, but what about the other expenses?

You can easily put mony away if you are single. For families it's different. With gas as high as it is, exploding property taxes, homeowners insurance, and exploding healthcare costs, a normal family with kids can be glad to be able to get around without drifting into bankruptcy. When did you buy a can of formula last? It's 12 bucks and lasts 2 days.

If the family was living in France, England, Germany, or Canada they had nothing to worry about. While the rest of the civilized world gives free health insurance and free education to their citizens (I learned that when I was living in Europe) this country prefers to sink trillions of $ into the fucking desert sand in some foreign land to catch shitheads that weren't even there before the war. Oh, yeah, and establish democracy.

In the meantime Americans pay out of their asses for health care and are stuck with fishy 80:20 co-pay deals, if they even have insurance, because for a family of 4 even PPO costs about 500 bucks a month. Then it has a co-pay, a deductible, and doesn't cover much.

I really don't care it this family has some money left over after they go through all this, they deserve it. It is very sad that people have to ask for donations for a sick child.

My toughts:

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Just a bunch of assholes complaining about money they didnt donate en the first place.

They living in Canada :2 cents:

Financial Aid. In the U.S. it pays for most if not all of the doctor bill if you can prove you can't afford it. Look it up.

I don't see what the big fuss is. Yes, he will lose some work, so will she. Are people on GFY going to pay me for last week since I was sick the entire time?

I think even NoCarrier would admit he jumped the gun and made that thread without taking some time to fully assess what was going to be needed. Talking with your family, friends, church, bank etc... about possible financial obligations and fundraising opportunities sounds like the logical place to start, gfy seems like it should be a last resort. Obviously if he would have told everyone about his son's condition and that it was going to be covered there probably wouldn't have been as big of an outpouring of donations and the sig auction.

Having said that, what is done is done and there's no sense continuing to banter about where the donations are going and what should have been done. If you donated and feel like it was under false pretenses then talk to NoCarrier and I'm sure he'll refund it.

BS! Medicaid pays only if your income is under a certain minimum, basically, if you are a welfare case. I am not talking about welfare cases, I am talking about normal, hard working families with a normal income that can't afford the exploding medical expenses. Doctor bills are the primary bankruptcy cause for American families in these days. If someone in your family gets really sick you are fucked. Should have moved to Canada, I guess.

You don't have to be on welfare. My sister works for a collections agency and she knows the ins and outs of it. If you have a 1k bill and you make 80k a year, yeah, not going to get financial aid, but if you make 60k a year, have a family, and your bill is 40k they'll help out.

Read this:

http://www.ctelderlaw.org/BenefitPro...sp#Traditional

Maybe it's something special in my area, but that doesn't look right. Regardless, i'm not here to discuss how much financial aid one can get. I'm concerned that lately more and more scammers have been coming out with crazy stunts, and by this auction coming out, more are going to do it and it's going to cause problems.

It's people like you prolonging this.

If people would actually read a little before jumping in with their 2 cents, a lot of this could be avoided.

so NoCarrier should be happy that they living in Canada and not U.S :)

Read NoCarrier's post. He's not asking for money to pay medical bills. He's asking for money so that his wife and himself can stop working.

Pretty lame if you ask me.

:2 cents:

You reep what you sow.
I feel sorry for you filthy fucks.

The only think he asked for was help with medical expenses, it was only after he found out he wasn't going to have to go to Texas and that Canadien insurance would pick up most of it that he mentioned using the donations to help them get through this rough time.

Care to elaborate or is that extent of your great insight?

It is not shameful to ask people for help.

Published on Wednesday, February 2, 2005 by Reuters
Half of Bankruptcy Due to Medical Bills -- U.S. Study
by Maggie Fox


WASHINGTON - Half of all U.S. bankruptcies are caused by soaring medical bills and most people sent into debt by illness are middle-class workers with health insurance, researchers said on Wednesday.

The study, published in the journal Health Affairs, estimated that medical bankruptcies affect about 2 million Americans every year, if both debtors and their dependents, including about 700,000 children, are counted.

"Our study is frightening. Unless you're Bill Gates you're just one serious illness away from bankruptcy," said Dr. David Himmelstein, an associate professor of medicine at Harvard Medical School who led the study.

"Most of the medically bankrupt were average Americans who happened to get sick. Health insurance offered little protection."

The researchers got the permission of bankruptcy judges in California, Illinois, Pennsylvania, Tennessee and Texas to survey 931 people who filed for bankruptcy.

"About half cited medical causes, which indicates that 1.9 to 2.2 million Americans (filers plus dependents) experienced medical bankruptcy," they wrote.

"Among those whose illnesses led to bankruptcy, out-of-pocket costs averaged $11,854 since the start of illness; 75.7 percent had insurance at the onset of illness."

The average bankrupt person surveyed had spent $13,460 on co-payments, deductibles and uncovered services if they had private insurance. People with no insurance spent an average of $10,893 for such out-of-pocket expenses.

"Even middle-class insured families often fall prey to financial catastrophe when sick," the researchers wrote.

Bankruptcy specialists said the numbers seemed sound.

"From 1982 to 1989, I reviewed every bankruptcy petition filed in South Carolina, and during that period I came to the conclusion that there were two major causes of bankruptcy: medical bills and divorce," said George Cauthen, a lawyer at Columbia-based law firm Nelson Mullins Riley & Scarborough LLP.

"Each accounted, roughly, for about a third of all individual filings in South Carolina."

He said fewer than 1 percent of all bankruptcy filings were due to credit card debt. "That truly is a myth," Cauthen said in a telephone interview.

Cauthen said he was not surprised to hear that so many of the bankrupt people in the study were middle-class.

"Usually people who have something to protect file bankruptcy," he said. "The truly indigent -- people that we see on the street -- there is no relief that we can give them."

Dr. Steffie Woolhandler, a Harvard associate professor and physician who advocates for universal health coverage, said the study supported demands for health reform.

"Covering the uninsured isn't enough. We must also upgrade and guarantee continuous coverage for those who have insurance," Woolhandler said in a statement.

She said many employers and politicians were pressing for what she called "stripped-down plans so riddled with co-payments, deductibles and exclusions that serious illness leads straight to bankruptcy."

Believe it or not, this isn't the first time.

If people want to donate $10,000 or $10,000,000 to NoCarrier, let them. Who people donate to and what amount is none of my business. If these people who are donating money are being deceived, then that's their problem.

I haven't posted in few days.. I know the original thread by NoCarrier announcing the unfortunate news, but what happened afterwards? What auction.. .. As far as people go bashing NoCarrier, you don't have to help him if you don't want to, but keep in mind that he is a father of a child & he is more than likely panicking & really freaking out & is desperately worried about his childs life & that is one extremely horrible situation for any parent to face, so, irregardless wether he needs help for medical purposes, or for expenses, etc, nonetheless, he does need help. If you don't wish to help him financially, the least you could do is help him emotionally, or spiritually.. His mind is likely very frantic this last week & I am sure he really needs encouragement, so the least you could do is be kind.

Why are you trying to sound like you're obligated to donate?

and who are you to speak for everyone?

We all know the story now, so why keep repeating your stance over and over??

If they want to donate, it's none of your business... nor it for you to decide whether they should or not..

He stopped askingfor donations he has been honest this entire time, if you want to donate donate, if not cool but stfu. There is nothing wrong with what NC did, it was the action of a scared father and for some of you to blast him for that is fucking pathedic. Not everyone can be rich and afford the best things in life.

Amen.....

i hope no one ever has to hear the words 'your child may have a glioma'....

because anyone hearing that sentence has a sphincter moment unlike any other...

unless you've walked in the shoes of a scared parent....please don't judge.

no one knows how they will react when they hear news as dire as this....

no carrier asked that all donations stop when he got new information. those of us who wanted to donate anyway, did so.

those who didn't want to donate, didn't and that's fine.

why has this blown up...into such a big deal.
and, no...no answer is necessary. it's rhetorical.

Bump for NoCarrier since he won't shut the fuck up and take his BS off the board. :321GFY