About friggin time we do something to monitor foreigners.
 

http://www.msnbc.com/news/762432.asp

"WASHINGTON, June 5 ? U.S. Attorney General John Ashooooo said Wednesday that as many as 100,000 visitors a year will be fingerprinted, photographed and registered in an anti-terrorism effort that has outraged Arab and immigration groups that say Middle Eastern men will be targeted."

Well no shit...I didn't really think the anti-terrorist measures would affect Scandinavian women...

Scandinavian women rock! i think they should be photo'd, as long as im behind the camera ;-)

"excellent babe, now act like you REALLY want to get into the country by showing some more leg" ;)

lol

FatPad:

We may begin to monitor more closely, but I learned on the news today that Canada allows sixteen-twenty thousand people into its country each year, who do not have ID. These are people that are applying for assylum and they are not detained, or tracked, even though they do not have any form of ID. They are released into the populous pending a hearing of their plea for assylum.

As was pointed out in this media account, we have a three thousand mile border with Canada so terrorists can pass into our country, without detection, from our northern friends.

When the administration was asked about what good does it do to monitor those we allow into our country when our northern friends do not, the reply was that Canada is a soveriegn nation and we cannot dictate to them what their immigration laws should be. We can discuss the matter with them and that is all.

It's something at least...If they start pouring in through the Canadian border, something will have to be done. I would hope that Canada would do something before it became a problem for us.

Now if we could just throw out all the mid east students, restrict immigration in general to a more reasonable level, and build a Berlin wall type thing between us and Mexico, we'd be moving in the right direction.

You forgot the part about killing all the jews and putting all of the Asians in labor camps. Let's bring back slavery while we're at it. And why the hell are women allowed to vote, anyway? Damn these liberals!

Why would I want to do any of that?

who is this guy and are all 698 posts of his this assinine?

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I just hope this does't become a witch hunt -- the've already detained and questioned a lot of innocent people -- I just hope this photography and fingerprint stuff doesn't go too far. Who are these 100,000 suspects?

Living in Florida, most of my friends are recent immigrants -- they are already having enough problems with not being able to get a drivers license, etc. -- if your girlfriend was part of this witchhunt you guys would be singing a different tune. Already enrollment of foreign students in the USA has gone way down for universities -- and who can blame them for not wanting to come here to study.

I am a terrorist waiting to get my Canadian Passport...

:ak47: :BangBang:

I wonder how they came up with the number 100,000 -- seems kindof arbitrary considering they don't even know what countries they are going to target yet!

"He said a list would be developed. The only countries certain to be on the list, Ashooooo said, are those already on the State Department?s list of terrorist nations, which includes North Korea, Libya, Iran, Iraq, Sudan, Syria and Cuba.
?No country is totally exempt,? he said."

Fly, the US is under *NO* obligation to bend over for immigrants. Our country was and most likely *will* be attacked by foriegners. In this case, MY rights are far more important than some shmoe wanting to come into the country.

If Americans were hijacking arab planes and killing thousands of muslims, how do you think *WE* would be treated in arab countries. :ak47:

Well.. well.. lets not forget 90% of these assylees to Canada come thru U.S. border.. how the hell did they get to USA first?

That's easy to say if you live in NJ -- just about all of my friends from my university are living in the US since childhood (from south american countries) but are not citizens... These are grad students, engineers, international lawyers, etc. -- and they are all working or plan to work in the USA after they graduate. Safety is fine -- as long as you don't inconvenience or humuliate people needlessly. And trust me, not being able to get a drivers license in the USA is a MAJOR inconvenience and to me that's BULLSHIT.

My best friend is getting married this weekend -- his future wife is from Turkey -- will she be treated like a criminal -- detained and questioned like so many other foreign students?

if they lived here since childhood, they had plenty of time to become citizens. If they chose not to,...well, that was a bad choice on their part.

As far as the girl from turkey goes, I'm not interested in keeping a foriegner's feelings from getting hurt at the sake of my safety.
She's under no obligation to come here.

blame canada! blame canada! with their beady little eyes...

http://www.aclu.org/news/2002/n060502a.html

"Also of concern is the improbability that the scheme will do anything to increase safety. Terrorists will simply find ways to circumvent the registration process either by simply not reporting to the INS or by entering the U.S. from a country outside the coverage of the tracking proposal, the ACLU said.

"It's pretty obvious that this plan won't work at anything except allowing the government to essentially 'pick on' people who haven't done anything wrong but happen to come from the Administration's idea of the wrong side of the global tracks," said Lucas Guttentag, Director of the ACLU Immigrants' Rights Project.

"Selective enforcement of any law based on unchangeable characteristics like race, ethnicity or national origin is at its core un-American," he added.

The fingerprinting and tracking proposal is only the latest Bush Administration action targeted at Muslims and people of Middle Eastern descent since September 11. Other discriminatory measures have included round-ups, dragnet questioning, the detention of more than a thousand young men and the targeting of Middle Eastern communities for heightened enforcement of minor immigration law violations."

one movie comes to mind: "The Siege"

If you are so afraid of a little Turkish girl -- you are under no obligation to stay in the USA either.

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Dear Pathfinder:
I am a Canadian and I want to apologize. I'm not sure for what but I'll think of something. That's what we Canadians are like.
For starters, I'd like to apologize for all my fellow Canadians who are demanding that your President should apologize more sincerely for bombing our soldiers. We shouldn't be pestering
you like that. You're a busy man. You've got a world to run.

Pathfinder, these people just don't see the bigger picture. For us, these four deaths represent our country's first losses in combat in half a century. For you, friendly fire is as familiar as collateral damage. It happens all the time. If your President had to go on national TV every time some of your own killed some of your own or your friends, he'd never get time to dust the Oval Office.

I also want to apologize for the border. It's an awfully long one, Pathfinder, and it's hard to patrol. It must be costing you a pile of money to keep the riff-raff and the terrorists out. Here's an amazing coincidence that you may not have noticed.
The border is just as long on our side as on yours. That's right ACE- Check it out. Here's something else: Did you know that, over the years, more armed Americans have tried to get into Canada than armed Canadians have tried to get into the States? It's true ACE They drive right up to our border, demanding the right to bear arms while they go fishing. Now, I've been doing some math. We have one-tenth the population of the United States, yet we have to patrol exactly the same length of border. What this means is we have to work 10 times as hard to keep the riff-raff out. At least, anyway, I don't know what we can do about the border except apologize for it.

Another thing. I'd like to apologize for Canada's trees. You know, this is a big country and the darn pines and other softwoods keep popping up everywhere. We cut them down and we saw them into lumber and we send them down to your country so you can build good, cheap, housing, but we just can't get rid of them all. Now, we could send you more if you wouldn't slap higher tariffs on our softwoods. You know this means your own prices will be higher and so will everythingbuilt of your lumber. I must apologize again, Pathfinder , but I don't understand the politics of artificially raising the price of housing. Still, that's your problem and I'm sure you've got it all worked out.

I'd also like to say how sorry I am about Canada winning the
gold medals in Olympic hockey. Not so much for what we did but the way we did it. In women's hockey, particularly. I can't imagine how humiliating it must be for American players to go through life explaining how they had a power play for 59 minutes but still lost the gold medal.

Now your people boo our national anthem. This has
become the Debate of the Day, and I'd like to apologize for
that, too. Canadians should grow up and realize that the United
States is a free country which jealously protects the rights of its citizens to boo the national anthems of their choice. And, heck, it's only at sports events. We'll call it friendly fire.

Sorry, Pathfinder. That was an unnecessary parting
shot. I apologize. It's my national duty.


:)

I hear you can buy cars for cheap in Canada too... :p

exactly. if i went to turkey and they had foreigner screening shit, i'd expect to be put through that as well. everyone just got used to big ol' "open arms america" - well our policy has changed motherfuckers!

ElvisManson:

I was merely reporting what was a news account; not attacking Canada. One thing I failed to mention is; a former head of Canada's immigration service stated that Canada's immigration laws were problematic and should be revised. I also failed to mention that Mexico's borders and immigration policies were also brought up in the same media account.

My point of reporting the media account was the point that the report was trying to make. What good does it do us to tighten our immigration laws if the countries on our borders do not do the same. Especially since the borders are so long that it is virtually immpossible to prevent infiltration of our borders.

I know...just busting your balls a bit.

I believe that our current immigration policy is under review...however because of the political in-fighting going on right now at the highest levels of our federal government I wouldn't expect much to change these days.

:)

I don't understand how they can even think about ID cards for these 100,000 suspected terrorists when it takes up to 1 year now just to *renew* a non-citizen's drivers license. They got their heads up their asses... I bet some Texas good old boys will make bank off selling these ID cards... in the end it's all about money -- not 12Click's safety.

I don't understand all the pissing and moaning about checking incoming visitors and imiigrants. If it's that much of an inconveience for you, you can always go back where you came from.

If the U.S. is that fucking bad, LEAVE.

Don't accept our billions and billions in foreign aid that could be better spent on helping our own poverty-stricken citizens that get routinely ignored by our own govenrment so the can play Mr. Glad Hand.

Don't come here and abuse our welfare system and take our jobs.

Don't come here where you can say whatever you like without fear of getting shot in the head.

Don't come here where, even after having an incredible symbol of democracy obliterated and thousands of lives lost, U.S. and Canadian, we STILL welcome ethnic diversity on a scale not seen in many other countries world-wide. You think a person of a different race is treated bad here? How do you think people of mixed-parentage are treated in other countries?

By all means, please don't come to live in the decadent U.S., we are the Great Satan after all. I mean, if YOUR country was bombing the shit out of Afghanistan would YOU be dropping food and supplies to the citizens that are being oppressed by the terrorist fucks that rule that country?

I don't think it's too much to ask for a little cooperation from those coming in to the country that we check and make sure they aren't going to try and destroy us in return for all they will get once here.

Fly, a drivers license is not a right but a privilege. Walking is good for the body and soul. They also have these things called bicycles.

"If Americans were hijacking arab planes and killing thousands of muslims, how do you think *WE* would be treated in arab countries"...


just like this;

:ak47: :ak47::ak47:
:BangBang: :BangBang:

ElvisManson LOL.

Let's review our own policies before scruitinizing other gov policies shall we?

I'm borrowing my own quotes from S-B board.

Then there are immigrants by lottery winning (only in USA ). These guys only need high school graduation/two years of some work experience. Most likely the morons and some terrorists too that applied 2 hundred times each won these lotteries. (Perhaps, I should not mention 3 million illegal Mexicans in the USA who are often committing domestic violence everyday). On the other hand, Canada accepts immigrants that have atleast 4 years of college in a popular field and real work experience. Chain immigrants from an educated family more likely to bring better quality than that of moron's families. Look at UN chart see where Canada stands against quality of life in U.S.

What does US do with Assylees? Not a thing different than what Canada does. Those assylees with no IDs are set free in USA too pending trials, those that later over a hope for better luck walk toward Canadian border. Or just walk down the streets of Manhattan how many hundreds of illegals do you think you'd walk by? Let's not try to find illegals, just get on the ones that are trying to stay legal.

Ofcourse, there are few security glitches that bring terrorists in every country. U.S., in this regard, have much more glitches than Canada, they have miilons of illegal immigrants whereas the total population of Canada is 30 million yet hey what you know if 1 of those thousands terrorists ever sneaked in thru Canadian border let's just blame Canada for all of it, give me just anyone and any country to blame for our own failures :winkwink:

The short answer is yes.
The long answer is.... hell yes.

The thing of it is, if they relax the rules for the Turkish chick, then other chicks from other countries will cry foul. No one should be exempt from being questioned a little more closely from now on, no one. All it takes is the NEXT woman travelling from Turkey to get inside the borders and do some nasty shit.

I remember the good old days of crossing the border (and coming back across)....
"</i>Where are you headed?"
"How long will you be staying in the US/Canada?"
"Are you carrying anything to declare?"
"Have a nice trip"</i>

Those days are gone forever thanks to terrorists. I don't think blaming our fellow countrymen for "questioning and detaining" certain foreigners is really the right way to go here.

um, hello. They're the ones killing people.

its SOOOOO funny how some scream more about hurting a muslim's feelings than they do when the muslims are commiting murder.

after all, the fly's position is largely based on how this will *inconvenience* his foriegn friend. well, the *inconvenience* to my American friends leaves them 6 ft. under.
some people just can't grasp that.

I'm tired of this -- it's depressing.

Go ahead and round up all 100,000 of 'em... When the first American citizen gets thrown in jail for leaving his National ID card at home -- I will laugh my ass off.

Fuck those people coming from Iraq, Iran, Pakistan, and all those other terrorist loving countries! I say don't let them into the country at all. Who needs them? And boo hoo, they don't wanna be fingerprinted? Well fuck you then! There's the door bitch, don't let it hit you on the way out!

you're right. It's because we let muslims into our country and believed them when they said that even though they killed people for thousands of years in the name of allah and hate what we represent, they are peace loving.

Umm forgive me if I'm wrong about this but isn't Turkey a member of Nato, our(most of the worlds) most trusted allied Muslim country and pretty much a secular state.

Why are you guys getting all defensive about Canada? Nobody was blaming Canada?

Just the other day I watched a show about how Canada has tightened up its immigration policy since 9/11, and its gonna be making it even tighter soon.

Canada is doing its part to tighten things up, it takes time to make these things happening.

So chill out, nobody was blaming you crazy Canadians.

yep

yeah, for another couple of yrs.
once the radicals (who reproduce like rabbits) become the majority, it will all change.

I say that the rights of American citizens are more important than the feelings of foreigners.

I would like to have the right to live without fear that some muslim named Akbar is gonna blow up my office building or walk into a bank and blow himself up or poison the water supply or do any other typical terrorist thing that people from muslim countries do.

You don't like the rules? Then fuck off!

hahhah - 'don't come to the US - we don't want immigrants' HAHAHA - How long have you populated that land? Your a bunch of fuckin newcommer migrants yourselves! :1orglaugh

it wont happen
the government is being pushed by the younger generation to westernize.

And this is why we have terrorists in the first place.

It's self-centered capitalist pricks like you who couldn't give a shit how many people suffer at your expense -- that's why we have terrorism.

We still haven't addresses the place that produced the second worst terrorist act in our nation's history; Michigan.

Fingerprinting, monitoring and profiling of young white men from Michigan is long overdue. We can start the ones that have closely cropped hair, military backgrounds, and a penchant for white power publications, and then move on to the rest of these disturbed, backwards people.

This ought to be every bit as effective as building a high wall around the state, and would likely cost a lot less to do.

I don't think requiring people to be fingerprinted at the border is causing them to suffer.

Michigan?

LOL...I wonder if that was directed to anyone in particular?

:Graucho

I'm talking about starvation -- not fingerprinting. I couldn't have said it better than this...

"As a rule, issues that make life impossible must take precedence over problems that make life insecure. Survival, in other words, is a more basic issue than security is. It is a mockery of sorts to paint the horror of terrorism to those who are waging a losing battle against malnutrition, hunger and disease. Terrorism is a problem only to those who have a reasonable chance of survival. It could be the only problem to those who have everything laid up for them. To the rest, hunger is today the basic and chronic form of terror."

This thread isn't about starvation. Its about fingerprinting people at the border.