The reason for fingerprinting is terrorism -- the reason for terrorism is capitalism -- the result of capitalism is starvation... I do not condone it -- but for humanity, desperation almost always results in terror -- and our leaders know this...

President Bush?s own speech to the World Bank, where the President said,

"A world where some live in comfort and plenty, while half the human race lives on less than two dollars a day, is neither just, nor stable." We call on our elected leaders to stop military action and increase humanitarian aid in Afghanistan; to seek safety, justice and freedom from terrorism for Palestinians as well as Israelis; to turn America?s talent away from retribution and toward sustainable, democratic economic development.

Couple of you guys must be Jewish..:winkwink: sounds to me like you have a lot of anger against Muslims in general not just terrorists. Did you know that pakistan is an ally to the U.S.? What if those Muslims in Saudi Arab stopped supplying U.S. with oil? Both U.S. and Canada are alive and kicking ass because of many darn smart and hard working foreigners oh! but duh! Btw, you guys are reminding me of the Scandinavian woman next door 300 lbs and butt ugly lol.

Actually, this thread is about monitoring foreigners in the US, and fingerprinting is probably the least effective means of doing that. We aren't going to have fingerprints on file for foreign citizens, so there will be nothing to compare their prints to.

Several of the Sept. 11th hijackers were already on international terrorist watch lists, as was Moussaoui, and the INS didn't manage to keep them out. How would having their fingerprints on file help? I'm not saying it would hurt, but I can't see it being all that effective.

All of our intelligence agencies and immigration services are in ass-covering mode right now. The reality of the situation is that most of the proposed measures will accomplish little other than to make carrying out a terrorist act in the US a little more inconvenient. We cannot, no matter what we do, effectively patrol both land borders as well as thousands of miles of coastline. It might make us feel better to try, but ultimately if the terrorists are determined and organized (which they obviously are), they will be able to attack us again. After all, they only need to succeed in attacking once - the intelligence agencies have to succeed in catching them every time in order to protect us.

100% protection not being possible, the only remaining question is how much of our freedom, our national soul, are we willing to part with in order to reduce the chances of another attack by a percentage that isn't even calculable?

I used to think capitalism was great -- until I realized that we all have a responsibility to each other... being selfish will only pay off for so long...

The ultra-wealthy will still park their Ferrari's in LA until the poor decide that they have been pushed too far -- then they start throwing bricks. That's terrorism.

America is the Ferrari -- the terror is the brick.

Capitalism rules!

And while were on the subject of starvation, I think I'll get off my capitalist ass and make myself a sandwich.

Go capitalism!

please back this up with one shred of fact.


hmmm, ok. So then the starving people are spending money to attack successful countries just because they are not? ok. makes sense.

Some people were not meant to survive. survival of the fittest has been going on as long as man's been on earth except for the last 150 yrs or so.
It's the foolish notion that spending money on these savages will save them that got the world into this trouble.

you don't want to educate your children with anything but the koran? fine, then die of stupidity.

fly, you act like fingerprinting is so bad. My plan would be to deport them immediately. I think you should be excited for your friends that we as a country don't have the balls to do what we need to yet.

I agree. Deport them all. Then bring in some hot blonde girls from Sweden! :thumbsup

what a bunch of communist crap.
The US *GIVES* more money to more countries ( muslim included) than any country in the world. you know why? because we *CAN* you know why we can? because of capitalism.

why aren't the terrorists hating other countries like they hate us? because we represent success. They will never succeed because they're standing inline waiting for their 79 virgins to show up.:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

well, this capitalist pig is off for some golf and dinner.
see you terrorist lovers tomorrow.

If these muslim countries would stop teaching the koran and start teaching kids about economics and business, they would be much better off.

Spoken like a true capitalist ;) "The Future of Capitalism: Chapter 6"

"Sentimental attachment to some geographic part of the world is not part of the system."

Hehe...

Chapter 14:

"Capitalistic individuals maximize the only things that give them utility--consumption and lesiure."

Hehe...

TheFLY = Socialist

Socialism = Crap

Therefore, TheFLY = Crap

Why not worry about that and worry about WHY all of these Arab nations are mad? History tells a lot of things - and the $2.2 billion dollars the U.S. gave to Israel to fight with in the Israel/Arab conflicts is one of the many reasons. And maybe try to understand instead of be angry, learn from it, and go to the source of the problem/hate, and figure out why it exists, and then help stop the reason - instead of worrying about who you let into a country.

Cheers,
Matt

Well, you could do that, but it would be much more fun to just deport all the muslims. :thumbsup

who is this guy and are all 2425 posts of his this assinine?

I say that you should implant a microchip inside everyone's brain, then it could be scanned at any time by police etc

They do it for dogs at the vetrinary clinics (in the back of their necks)

ie; you get pulled over for speeding etc

Or if a microchip it too costly, what about tattooing a bar code on the bottom of everyone's foot

Microchip would be more efficient, like at airports bus depots etc

Then foreigners who don't have one, can get more thoroughly examined and searched

Or at least make people put their fingerprint on their drivers license

They should also make the cia and fbi, any special police forces - commumication intertwined

Ie; if the fbi or cia were not talking to each other, or potentially withheld information that could prevent a terrorism act like 9-11

Heads should fucking roll anyways, I bet when all is said and done, there will be information that could have helped possibly stop what happened on prevented some of it. Someone's power tripping, that's obvious

Hey I found ALL 100,000 of the terrorists!!!!!!

"The United States trains at least 100,000 foreign soldiers and police from more than 150 countries each year at a cost of tens of millions of dollars, with the number trained increasing markedly since September 11th, 2001. Tens of thousands study in the US at the approximately 275 known military schools and installations that provide training. The US trains many more in their own nations through a variety of programs, including military exercises. Although Amnesty International's research found that some US military training includes human rights content, there is no systematic requirement for such content in the majority of US training and education provided to foreign military and police forces."

http://www.amnestyusa.org/news/2002/usa05232002.html

HAHAHA!!!!!!

Who the fuck are these Arab nations to tell the U.S. where it's money should go???

Maybe if they had any money to part with -- they could send it to the PLO. At least we'd have a better war to watch on one of my TV sets.

:winkwink:

Thanks alot you terrorist fucks now I am never going to get out of Canada:feels-hot
Jeeze The ruin of one crimanls entire plan on a "new" life is ruined:321GFY

Sorry. A government's first responsibility is to it's citizens, not to people who might someday come visit from far away lands because their own country sucks.

If US citizens are in danger from Arab nutcases, the safety of the US citizens is more important than the right of a bunch of foreigners to freely enter our country and do whatever they want.

I don't understand why people are upset about the fact that we are going to increase security measures on incoming immigrants, or targeted nationalities and religions. It makes a ton of sense to me.

History also tells us that if possible the Arab countries would have just killed Israel. They tried how many times?

So we helped arm them so they could fight off the dozen or so countries surrounding them who would kill them if possible.

Basically the Arab countries are mad at us because we wouldn't let them kill all the Jews and because instead of running our country into the ground we actually setup a capitalist system that made us a wealthy country.

I understand why they hate us...and I don't think it's a good enough reason for us to do anything to accomodate them.

Is that why you're still alive?

I'm honestly sick of people whining about the rights of muslim people. Yes, they're not all murderers. Yes, they also have rights.

But let's imagine a scenario.
One thousand Arabs come into the country (or 10, 100, 4000, i don't care)

Just one of those guy's decides to strap some explosives to himself, and kills 20 or so innocent people.
Or maybe a whole lot of them plan to hijack a plane and kill a few thousand innocent Americans..

Now... suppose that this situation MAY have been avoided if these people were screened when coming into the country..

Are you going to honestly tell me, you think that inconveniencing an Arab person who is coming into YOUR country, to possibly save the lives of 20, or thousands of American lives, is wrong?

Go FUCK yourself.

If you are really concerned about innocent people -- then you would be more concerned that the USA's #1 export is weapons. But you don't give a fuck -- you're a small minded racist that can't see beyond the periphery of your TV set.

you watch too much tv

I'm a racist? You keep telling yourself that buddy. I grew up with black people, and no, there was no segregation in the countries where i grew up.

How about you answer the simple question instead of dodging the question.

I'll ask again. If a simple screening could have had even the slightest chance of preventing the deaths of thousands of Americans, would you still be against it? Or are the rights of a few arabs, innocent or not, be more important than the rights of innocent civilians that were murdered?

But why don't the poor get off their fat fucking asses and work to build themselves a good life instead of throwing bricks at the rich? In N. America they are free to become successful, or not. That's capitalism.


And not sense making excuses for the poor "have-nots" because there are tons of cases where very successful people come from poor backgrounds. I personaly know several.

CDSmith, because we live in capitalist countries. You need people to wash dishes, clean toilets, pick up the garbage, and so on.. no matter how hard they work, they're going to live in poverty. It's not laziness that makes people poor.. the situation is more complex than that.

Here you go,

http://www.amacad.org/publications/lethal.htm#top

"The extensive use of such weapons as assault rifles, machine guns, land mines, light mortars and hand grenades has led to hundreds of thousands, if not millions of deaths in a wide range of ethnic and nationalist conflicts. Many thousands more have died from disease and starvation induced by these conflicts, or have been forced to flee their homelands for precarious survival elsewhere. The proliferation of small arms and light weapons also dangerously complicates the job of UN peacekeeping forces and humanitarian aid workers in numerous conflict areas around the world."

---- Here's just one statistic that I found...

U.S. arms deliveries to Israel for 1990-2000
Total $7,274,568,000 --

http://www.fas.org/asmp/profiles/sal...n=2000&licin=0

:BangBang: :BangBang: :BangBang: :1orglaugh

Where did you get that information? I don't think the USAs #1 export is weapons.

Canada is the USAs largest trading partner, that must mean Canada is buying a lot of weapons then huh?

You didn't answer my question again.. it's a simply yes or no...

I'd like to know this, as well. When did the rights of foreigners not even IN this country yet, become more important than the rights of citizens of this country?

Any governments first responsibility is to the safety and well being of it's citizens. Everyone else comes after that...

I never said anyone was throwing bricks -- it was just an analogy for the distribution of wealth. I did hear about some myserious BB Gun shootings at a luxury car dealerships in LA though a few months ago...

Yes, a disgruntled person who has managed to do sweet fuck all with his life taking it out on someone who has worked their way to a comfortable life.

Yes -- fingerprint and screen everyone if it will make you feel safer.

You're just a pussy that's afraid of Arab people.

Just move to Texas and joing the KKK -- they got no Arabs in Texas.

Actually, they do.

Then they are dumb to stay! Hehe.

I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but there are in fact a large group of Arabs who do in fact want to kill thousands of Americans if possible.

I have a sneaky feeling that screening Arab visitors to our country might in fact have some effect on whether or not they can.

It might not be as effective as doing absolutely nothing, but what the hell...let's give it a shot...we tried the absolutely nothing approach and it got 3k people killed on Sept 11.

Wow, you're so ignorant. I don't even live in the United States. I live in Australia. But i happen to believe that the rights of Americans should be held higher than the rights of an immigrant coming into the country. I feel the same should apply to American's going to Arab countries.

My family was screened when we entered Arab countries... we didn't bitch about it.

I agree with you Choda. The US has no obligation to even allow non-citizens into the country. So if you want to come in, you either play by the rules or leave.

So USA is the savior of mankind? How about saving Mexicans from itself, give back Texas? Why is it that the entire world is against Israel except USA? Cos rest of the world are all stupid asses? Hmm.. or maybe cos we occupied so lets help others do the same. I agree with Matt 100% while there is no justification to what happened on 9/11 those terrorists motherfuckers did have an excuse and that's USA's foreign policy = Israel. Get to the roots and fix that prob or the terror threats will keep on coming whether we like it or not, whether we harass and humiliate foreigners or not. Why should we let foreigners in our country? Or actually why should we even buy oil from foreigners? We are white christian Americans superior to all human races. Lets just nuke 'em all muslims end of story lol.

Sounds like a good plan to me. :thumbsup

Hmmm... Mexico NEVER had rights to Texas.

Give it back to the Comanche and Kiowa tribes! :thumbsup

We get attacked again and the foreign policy will be zipped into a bag and buried fast. lol

I've noticed that the people with no ability to clearly express an idea end up throwing out the racist statement at some point.

Interesting.

I did however, find that statement interesting.

So if you park on your neighbor's lawn and he uses that as an excuse to firebomb your house and kills your wife and child, you're okay with that?

I mean, he did have an excuse...

One last comment about this post of your's. :)

Our foreign policy towards Israel is not the reason for 9/11. Osama Bin Laden has hated us ever since the King of Saudi Arabia accepted our help during the Gulf War and let us put troops on Saudi soil.

That's why he hates us and that's why he launches these attacks.

So now you're being attacked because the king of some far away country accepted our military help during a time of conflict and one of the spoiled shithead members of his family didn't like it.

Saving Mexicans from itself? ...what are you talking about? you make no sense. But then.. why should I care? your final statement "we are white christian Americans superior to all human races" proves that you have 100 grams of brain, if not less.

No go to the KKK forum, where you belong.